Without Zeke we’re a 8-8 team at best

CouchCoach · Feb 23, 2019

Pay him what they owe him and then use the 5th year option.

robjay04 · Feb 23, 2019

TwistedL0g1k said:
If we're an 8-8 team without Zeke, that says a lot about the QB.

We were an 8-8 team 3 years in a row with Romo.

Drew Brees went 3 years in a row where he only won 7 games. Aaron Rodgers is 10-12-1 in his last two seasons.

Sometimes even the best QBs need talent around them.

Sarge · Feb 23, 2019

cowboyblue22 said:
until the dallas cowboys can average more than 22 points a game they are not going to be able to compete with the better teams a run first team is not going to win a championship they have to fix the passing game and score more points

The Patriots, the Rams and the Saints were all in the top 6 in rushing attempts per game last year.

OmerV · Feb 23, 2019

mattjames2010 said:
He's an RB, he isn't winning us crap. He was part of our first shut out since 2003, and the almighty Zeke was part of the game in 2017 that sent us home packing when he was supposed to come back and be our savior. He also had a whopping 2.4 YPC against the Rams.

You care about a playoff appearance, I care about trophies. Zeke isn't getting us those.

By your standard not a single player on the team can help us win in the playoffs because they all were part of the rams loss, and many were part of the loss against GB 2 years ago. Your viewpoint is neither realistic or fair. One player, by himself, is not supposed to carry the team, and this talk about a "savior" is just fan drivel. In addition, a lotof players were part of the team's first shutout in years, and in the loss against the Rams, but everyone that didn't play well in those games is not suddenly eliminated from the list of important players that can help the team win in the future. The reality is Zeke is a huge part of what even gives the Cowboys a chance, and the fact he didn't play well against the Rams doesn't change that.

LittleD · Feb 23, 2019

CouchCoach said:
Pay him what they owe him and then use the 5th year option.

Right...we get five years and run him into garbage and then draft the next guy. RB's are not designed for longevity in the NFL any longer. Just use them up and get a new one.
You also don't have to use a 1st round pick to find one that can help the offense move the ball. What you do need is a complete OL that can move the defense out and protect the QB.

Redball Express · Feb 23, 2019

mattjames2010 said:
If it's obvious, then why bring them up? We aren't in a similar league anymore. Rules changed, elite RBs don't carry teams any longer. Time to move on.

Oh my..

relax.

We are just chatting here.

You have your points..

I got mine.

It's called being a fan.

We are equals.

Ok?

QuincyCarterEra · Feb 23, 2019

Redball Express said:
I think you are confusing Zeke with his OL.

By the end of the year..

we were starting 3rd stringers.

Give up the OL..

and Dak and Zeke are pedestrian

It is funny that it's always "Dak needs elite blah blah blah"
Then the second Zeke ever has a bad performance the same people "IT WAS THE OLINE!!!"

PJTHEDOORS · Feb 23, 2019

DallasDW00ds0n said:
Without Zeke this team is a 5 win team.

Same can be said with Rush or White starting at qb instead of Dak.

kskboys · Feb 23, 2019

mattjames2010 said:
The offensive line was ranked well for rushing - and if a top 5 pick needs a stud o-line, then he isn't exactly winning us games, now is he? That would be the O-Line.

And people are kinda forgetting here, Zeke is in his prime now. It's not coming later, he's not going to peak - he's already at it. Either he gets us a trophy now, since he's the reason we are "winning games" or it's not going to happen in the very near future.

Oh, so that's why EZ was getting met in the backfield. Great ranking service!!!!!!

kskboys · Feb 23, 2019

DakPresgoat said:
The lack of points isn’t due to a lack of yardage though. The passing game, after Amari Cooper was moving the ball well enough, combined with a top notch running game, to score a lot of points.

The issue was the redzone offense. Both the passing and running game struggled in the red zone and didn’t convert into TD’s often enough.

And we've had those same red zone struggles since JG took over the O. Hmmmm....

kskboys · Feb 23, 2019

OmerV said:
By your standard not a single player on the team can help us win in the playoffs because they all were part of the rams loss, and many were part of the loss against GB 2 years ago. Your viewpoint is neither realistic or fair. One player, by himself, is not supposed to carry the team, and this talk about a "savior" is just fan drivel. In addition, a lotof players were part of the team's first shutout in years, and in the loss against the Rams, but everyone that didn't play well in those games is not suddenly eliminated from the list of important players that can help the team win in the future. The reality is Zeke is a huge part of what even gives the Cowboys a chance, and the fact he didn't play well against the Rams doesn't change that.

Nicely done.

nightrain · Feb 23, 2019

Mr_437 said:
Train, is the dependency a necessity due to struggles in other areas?

100%! I think the Cowboys have a window with Zeke that they should use to benefit from his unique skills while shoring up those area that are holding them back. TE and RB are two areas that need to be improved upon. Getting Fred back is an instant upgrade. Zeke is probably my favorite player on the Cowboys, but I just can't see paying a RB 8 figures over 5 years. The risk of declining output from the RB position is significant.

Of course the elephant in the room is the QB and that is a something the coaching staff needs to be sure about. I think it's too challenging to have a $$$franchise QB and RB in the same backfield today and be a competitive contender in the post season on a consistent basis.

CouchCoach · Feb 23, 2019

Here's the danger in too much in the RB1, not enough left over for the RB2 and that's the contact position in the skill positions. If they were going to allocate 10M to RB's 1 and 2, I would rather see 6/4 or 5/5 than 8/2 or 9/1. He's going to want to eat up most of that RB money, that's what that feed me thing is about.

Willfreedom909 · Feb 23, 2019

robjay04 said:
We were an 8-8 team 3 years in a row with Romo.

Drew Brees went 3 years in a row where he only won 7 games. Aaron Rodgers is 10-12-1 in his last two seasons.

Sometimes even the best QBs need talent around them.

B-b-b-but that’s different.

Every elite QB goes 11-5+ every yearZ

kskboys · Feb 23, 2019

CouchCoach said:
Here's the danger in too much in the RB1, not enough left over for the RB2 and that's the contact position in the skill positions. If they were going to allocate 10M to RB's 1 and 2, I would rather see 6/4 or 5/5 than 8/2 or 9/1. He's going to want to eat up most of that RB money, that's what that feed me thing is about.

I want to keep EZ, but I do not want to overpay. I'm of the opinion we let him play out his contract, then maybe franchise him for a year or two.

Edit: Unless he wants to sign a reasonable deal, which I don't see happening.

SSoup · Feb 23, 2019

Depends how good his replacement is.

Depends how good Zeke himself is when the day comes, as he's a threat to just stop being good at any moment with the workload he gets. Don't forget, Murray's workload wrecked him. We could wreck Zeke too. The NFL is literally littered with RBs over the years who had a small handful of great seasons and then absolutely hit the wall. 3 or 4 years from now, it's very possible that Zeke is already washed up and his presence in any NFL starting lineup might be a weak point for that team. That's the way it's gone for countless heavy-workload runners.

It also depends how well we upkeep the o-line. If the o-line is great after Zeke, basically anyone can run behind them (like our unwanted free agent off the street scenario in 2015). And if the o-line is trash years down the road, then even Elliott will flounder behind them and therefore wouldn't be worth big bucks anyway.

Little Jr · Feb 23, 2019

Without Zeke, with the rbs we have on the roster, yes, I can see us being a 8-8 team LAST YEAR .

We have 2 years left with Zeke and can tag him 1-2 times. So we have 3-4 years with him and in the mean time, maybe 2020, find another one rb in the draft.

CowboysFaninHouston · Feb 23, 2019

rnr_honeybadger said:
Right, one guy managed to win all those games. Not like it was a team effort or anything.

wait...don't dak lovers make the same case when they say best rookie ever because he went 13-3? and best first three years record ever..... I don't get it.

btw, this is not far from the truth...... when zeke had 100 total yards this year, dallas went 9-1, when he had less than 100 yards we went 2-6..... zeke's performance has a huge impact on this team.

last year even with all the drama around zeke, 6-4 with him. 3-3 without him and struggled to single digit scoring in 3 games.

for this team to succeed, either zeke or some other competent RB, like Bell....

rnr_honeybadger · Feb 23, 2019

CowboysFaninHouston said:
wait...don't dak lovers make the same case when they say best rookie ever because he went 13-3? and best first three years record ever..... I don't get it.

btw, this is not far from the truth...... when zeke had 100 total yards this year, dallas went 9-1, when he had less than 100 yards we went 2-6..... zeke's performance has a huge impact on this team.

last year even with all the drama around zeke, 6-4 with him. 3-3 without him and struggled to single digit scoring in 3 games.

for this team to succeed, either zeke or some other competent RB, like Bell....

Our offense is predicated on the run setting up the pass. We are a run first team. When that is your offense how do you expect not to struggle when your lead back is out?

Angus12 · Feb 23, 2019

nightrain said:
I think the dependency on a second rate coaching staff is stagnating the Cowboys offense and making them easier to defend.

Yep.

Without Zeke we’re a 8-8 team at best

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