On draft day the Cowboys have Amari Cooper

Risen Star · Mar 6, 2019

I'll be cursing his family tree on draft day.

Doomsday101 · Mar 6, 2019

buybuydandavis said:
"The Cowboys spend their first pick on Amari Cooper for a 1 year, 15mil contract."

Cowboys plan on extending his contract. This was not a 1 year deal then move on. Cowboys have found a very talented player in Cooper and fully expect him to be here for a while

Galian Beast · Mar 6, 2019

Doomsday101 said:
Cowboys plan on extending his contract. This was not a 1 year deal then move on. Cowboys have found a very talented player in Cooper and fully expect him to be here for a while

Part of the benefit of a 1st round draft pick is their rookie contract. Extending him has nothing to do with the traded pick. You could have sought him or anyone else out in free agency at that rate.

They traded a 1st round draft pick for a rental when it was clear it wasn't going to put this team over the top. You can argue that there wasn't going to be a free agent in the draft or in free agency and they felt compelled, but that was their own doing when they released Bryant.

I'm not mad that they released Bryant, but the reality is that I would rather have him and our first round pick than Cooper.

stiletto · Mar 6, 2019

Risen Star said:
I'll be cursing his family tree on draft day.

Isn't that what Hucklebuck's like you do on a regular basis, doesn't matter the day does it?

Aikmaniac · Mar 6, 2019

Galian Beast said:
Part of the benefit of a 1st round draft pick is their rookie contract. Extending him has nothing to do with the traded pick. You could have sought him or anyone else out in free agency at that rate.

They traded a 1st round draft pick for a rental when it was clear it wasn't going to put this team over the top. You can argue that there wasn't going to be a free agent in the draft or in free agency and they felt compelled, but that was their own doing when they released Bryant.

I'm not mad that they released Bryant, but the reality is that I would rather have him and our first round pick than Cooper.

I don't understand this though. Cooper is a top 5 WR talent...at least he is in my opinion. Coupling him with Gallup makes a pretty darn good WR tandem. To your point, we would probably have a higher first round pick if Cooper was not acquired via trade, but the trade was successful. We were a better team with Cooper and he IS a game changer. I don't see anyone in this draft that would have the same impact as Cooper has and will at our pick.

Doomsday101 · Mar 6, 2019

Galian Beast said:
Part of the benefit of a 1st round draft pick is their rookie contract. Extending him has nothing to do with the traded pick. You could have sought him or anyone else out in free agency at that rate.

They traded a 1st round draft pick for a rental when it was clear it wasn't going to put this team over the top. You can argue that there wasn't going to be a free agent in the draft or in free agency and they felt compelled, but that was their own doing when they released Bryant.

I'm not mad that they released Bryant, but the reality is that I would rather have him and our first round pick than Cooper.

I get that but the main reason is to bring in talent. As we know not all draft picks pan out not even top rated college kids. You continue to call him a rental when Cowboys have already said they have every intention of getting Cooper under a contract so they did not get him as a so called rental and saying it would not put them over the top? it gave them a chance going from 3-5 to start the season to a 10-6 record and a playoff win along the way. As for keeping Bryant and having our 1st that is your view, myself given how Bryant had played the year before and the distractions he was starting to cause I had no issue releasing him

DandyTom64 · Mar 6, 2019

Maybe Cooper should walk out on stage during the first round just to screw with Goodell. That would make him forget about crafty Kraft.

mattjames2010 · Mar 6, 2019

This WR draft class has some interesting prospects - we gave up a first for a first round pick that flopped with his initial team and was STILL inconsistent with us.

Cooper also has a history of having bad hands, historically bad actually. In the long term, this trade will look worse and worse.

Galian Beast · Mar 6, 2019

Aikmaniac said:
I don't understand this though. Cooper is a top 5 WR talent...at least he is in my opinion. Coupling him with Gallup makes a pretty darn good WR tandem. To your point, we would probably have a higher first round pick if Cooper was not acquired via trade, but the trade was successful. We were a better team with Cooper and he IS a game changer. I don't see anyone in this draft that would have the same impact as Cooper has and will at our pick.

A top 5 WR talent? Based on what? He has never produced as a top 5 WR.

The post I responded to stated that we traded for him and his contract for a year (year a half), that's accurate. That's not a successful trade.

I assure you a player will be drafted at or after our projected pick (in the 1st) that will have more impact in their 4-5 years with a team than Cooper will have had in his year and a half with us.

Galian Beast · Mar 6, 2019

Doomsday101 said:
I get that but the main reason is to bring in talent. As we know not all draft picks pan out not even top rated college kids. You continue to call him a rental when Cowboys have already said they have every intention of getting Cooper under a contract so they did not get him as a so called rental and saying it would not put them over the top? it gave them a chance going from 3-5 to start the season to a 10-6 record and a playoff win along the way. As for keeping Bryant and having our 1st that is your view, myself given how Bryant had played the year before and the distractions he was starting to cause I had no issue releasing him

Whether they re-sign him is irrelevant. When he re-signs it will be as a free agent or a free agent to be.

They went 9-7 with Dez Bryant in 2017 and 10-6 without him. Sounds like a significant change worthy of losing a first round draft pick.

glimmerman · Mar 6, 2019

SoupcanSam said:
Funny how it only happened in the playoffs. Well in the indy game also but I still blame coaching. Adding talent means nothing if the gameplan blows.

It don’t help when you have a important coach out for a few days doing interviews during the prep week for the biggest game of the year.

Risen Star · Mar 6, 2019

mattjames2010 said:
This WR draft class has some interesting prospects - we gave up a first for a first round pick that flopped with his initial team and was STILL inconsistent with us.

Cooper also has a history of having bad hands, historically bad actually. In the long term, this trade will look worse and worse.

Cooper didn't flop with the Raiders. 2 thousand yard seasons and a Pro Bowl? Hardly. Maybe not up to the draft pick status but not a flop either.

He did come with a questionable hands warning but there was no sign of it last year at all. He seemed pretty sure handed to me.

The drops have come and gone year to year. Which is the thing with Cooper. His consistency.

mattjames2010 · Mar 6, 2019

Risen Star said:
Cooper didn't flop with the Raiders. 2 thousand yard seasons and a Pro Bowl? Hardly. Maybe not up to the draft pick status but not a flop either.

He did come with a questionable hands warning but there was no sign of it last year at all. He seemed pretty sure handed to me.

He had two seasons where he led the league in drops - he was incredibly inconsistent. Both of these things led to him being traded before his rookie deal was over. He was brought in to be the #1 WR for the Raiders, he never became that and was even outshined by an aging and injury prone Crabtree.

If that's not flopping, I have no clue what is.

And he showed no signs of it in 2016 either after his rookie year, yet led the league in drops in 2017 again.

Risen Star · Mar 6, 2019

mattjames2010 said:
He had two seasons where he led the league in drops - he was incredibly inconsistent. Both of these things led to him being traded before his rookie deal was over.

If that's not flopping, I have no clue what is.

And two years where drops weren't an issue. He also had two years of over a thousand yards receiving and he played in a Pro Bowl.

I wish my draft pick flops accomplished those things.

You're telling half the story to fit your agenda. Tell the whole story.

glimmerman · Mar 6, 2019

I am kool with the trade and all but it sucks during the draft to know that day 1 we shouldn’t have a pick. So I won’t watch to close but at the same time I kind of have to keep my eye on it in case JJ decides to trade back in.

blueblood70 · Mar 6, 2019

worth it..

Doomsday101 · Mar 6, 2019

Galian Beast said:
Whether they re-sign him is irrelevant. When he re-signs it will be as a free agent or a free agent to be.

They went 9-7 with Dez Bryant in 2017 and 10-6 without him. Sounds like a significant change worthy of losing a first round draft pick.

I would give up a 1st for Cooper today based on his play. Once he got to Dallas his numbers were within the top 10 WR in the league. As for Dez his play and attitude was not worth it. I'm sure you will not agree and that is fine, your entitled to your opinion.

mattjames2010 · Mar 6, 2019

Risen Star said:
And two years where drops weren't an issue. He also had two years of over a thousand yards receiving and he played in a Pro Bowl.

I wish my draft pick flops accomplished those things.

You're telling half the story to fit your agenda. Tell the whole story.

Pro-bowl means nothing, who gives a crap? In his pro-bowl season, here were his numbers

83 catches, 1,153 yeards, 13.9 average, and 5 TDs. Stop pretending this was some dominant showing. The facts are this: Cooper flopped so hard in Oakland that they rid of him before his rookie deal was over. We were stupid enough to give up a first for a first round flop.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Coopers-Drop-Rate-Ranks-Among-NFLs-Worst-479158283.html

Wrote Scott Barrett of PFF: “Cooper led the league in drops (18) and drop rate (20.0 percent) in his rookie season (2015), but then seemed to get past the issue in 2016, dropping only four passes. In 2017, Cooper again led the league in drop rate (17.2 percent). Not only are these numbers bad, but they’re historically bad. Since 2007, there have only been three players to see at least 100 targets and post a drop rate of 17 percent or worse: Braylon Edwards (2007 and 2008), Greg Little (2011) and Cooper (2015 and 2017).”

This isn't something where Cooper had a couple bad years and then improved. He had a terrible rookie season with drops, he was fine in 2016, and then had another terrible season in 2017. Which means he has a focus problem. When things aren't going right around him, he plays like a scrub.

And let's really look into what he did with us

His best games

Washionton - 180 yards, 2 TDs
Eagles - 200+ yards, 3 TDS
Seattle - 100 yards

People tend to leave out that he had 4 games with us where he had 40 or less yards with an average catch below 10 yards. He also disappeared against both the Rams and Titans in the second half.

He's inconsistent, has bad hands, loses focus. We gave up a first round pick for this dude.

mattjames2010 · Mar 6, 2019

Doomsday101 said:
I would give up a 1st for Cooper today based on his play. Once he got to Dallas his numbers were within the top 10 WR in the league. As for Dez his play and attitude was not worth it. I'm sure you will not agree and that is fine, your entitled to your opinion.

This is misleading. His production against the Commanders and Eagles inflated his stats.

He also had 4 games with us where he didn't get 40 yards receiving. His game against New Orleans, he had 8 receptions for 75 yards and a 9.6 average - that's forcefed, not really productive. And we had a whopping 13 points in that game.

Doomsday101 · Mar 6, 2019

I would also add if I'm willing to pay big bucks for a 30 year old WR like Dez why would I not be willing to pay a 25 year old like Cooper who has a lot left on the bone? Dez numbers were falling and when asked about taking a pay cut said hell no.

On draft day the Cowboys have Amari Cooper

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