On draft day the Cowboys have Amari Cooper

JustChip · Mar 6, 2019

Galian Beast said:
Whether they re-sign him is irrelevant. When he re-signs it will be as a free agent or a free agent to be.

They went 9-7 with Dez Bryant in 2017 and 10-6 without him. Sounds like a significant change worthy of losing a first round draft pick.

Would they have gone 10-6 this year with Dez for the entire season? Would they have been better than 10-6 with Cooper the full season. My opinion is 10-6 was the ceiling with Dez. It would've been the floor with Cooper for a full season based on what happened after he arrived.

The Cooper trade probably is a mistake if they don't extend him and he ends up being here for only a year and a half (or two and a half if they FT him and he plays under - highly unlikely). But to be fair, what was the alternative aside from keeping Dez? They could've drafted Ridley and then either tried to get a LB with their 2nd round and then another starter with their 1st this year. Would Ridley have been the difference maker Cooper was after he got here? And would he have been for the next several years. Maybe, but it does take a WR 1-2 years to reach potential. And this team wouldn't have accomplished what they did last year without LVE and would be in the market for a LB this year.

OmerV · Mar 6, 2019

Aerolithe_Lion said:
1st round pick. DK Metcalf looks sick

Physically he does, but woukd hevbevas good as Cooper, especially as a rookie, and could we even be sure he would last until the Cowboys pick? NFL teams can’t afford to simply assume everything would fall in to place exactly as they hope. They also can’t avoid paying high priced veterans sometimes - it takes a mix of veterans at all pay levels and rookies to field a competitive team.

OmerV · Mar 6, 2019

Galian Beast said:
Whether they re-sign him is irrelevant. When he re-signs it will be as a free agent or a free agent to be.

They went 9-7 with Dez Bryant in 2017 and 10-6 without him. Sounds like a significant change worthy of losing a first round draft pick.

This ignores that 5 of the six losses were before Cooper arrived and they were 7-1 with the guy they gave up the first round pick for.

Aikmaniac · Mar 6, 2019

Galian Beast said:
A top 5 WR talent? Based on what? He has never produced as a top 5 WR.

The post I responded to stated that we traded for him and his contract for a year (year a half), that's accurate. That's not a successful trade.

I assure you a player will be drafted at or after our projected pick (in the 1st) that will have more impact in their 4-5 years with a team than Cooper will have had in his year and a half with us.

To be honest, I don't know you can assure anything when it comes to the draft. That's why the Cooper trade was and will continue to be successful to me. He's a known commodity. For argument's sake, I think many would say Amari Cooper is an elite receiver. How many times did we hear about his combination of speed, size, and route-running ability being uncanny last season? If you're saying the trade wasn't successful due to his salary and the length of his contract, I'll have to say I'd be more than willing to pay more for players of his caliber.

Aerolithe_Lion · Mar 6, 2019

OmerV said:
Physically he does, but woukd hevbevas good as Cooper, especially as a rookie, and could we even be sure he would last until the Cowboys pick? NFL teams can’t afford to simply assume everything would fall in to place exactly as they hope. They also can’t avoid paying high priced veterans sometimes - it takes a mix of veterans at all pay levels and rookies to field a competitive team.

While that’s true, he’d be lucky to be as good as Amari, If you drafted him you’d also have amari’s eventual massive contract money free to get Golden Tate AND TJ Yeldon, and maybe a little left over.

Metcalf - Gallup - Austin - Tate
Zeke - Yeldon - Smith

Maybe not as potent as simply having Amari, or maybe it is. Some teams like to have the one dominant guy like NE and Gronk, ATL and Julio, teams like to spread the wealth, like STL/KC.

Maybe you weren’t wrong in getting Amari, but I guess my point was it’s. It necessarily a slam dunk as the best way.

Nightman · Mar 6, 2019

Aerolithe_Lion said:
While that’s true, he’d be lucky to be as good as Amari, If you drafted him you’d also have amari’s eventual massive contract money free to get Golden Tate AND TJ Yeldon, and maybe a little left over.

Metcalf - Gallup - Austin - Tate
Zeke - Yeldon - Smith

Maybe not as potent as simply having Amari, or maybe it is. Some teams like to have the one dominant guy like NE and Gronk, ATL and Julio, teams like to spread the wealth, like STL/KC.

Maybe you weren’t wrong in getting Amari, but I guess my point was it’s. It necessarily a slam dunk as the best way.

You aren't getting Metcalf at 28

Aerolithe_Lion · Mar 6, 2019

Nightman said:
You aren't getting Metcalf at 28

Or trade down for a couple 2’s and take Butler. But he could be there, especially when people see the DL’s flying off the board they could get tunnel vision, happens occasionally.

Nightman · Mar 6, 2019

Aerolithe_Lion said:
Or trade down for a couple 2’s and take Butler. But he could be there, especially when people see the DL’s flying off the board they could get tunnel vision, happens occasionally.

I am more than fine with ACooper

He saved the season last year and got us KMoore at OC....... already a huge Win

DIAF · Mar 6, 2019

SoupcanSam said:
I'd like to get Metcalf alongside coop and Gallup.

DK Metcalf had that great 40 and is built like a greek god, but did you see his agility drill results? He was like dead last in the cone and shuttle out of all the WRs. His production at Ole Miss wasn't eye popping either outside of YPC. I'd rather have 5 or 6 other WRs in this draft other than metcalf. He looks like an injury waiting to happen, as well.

SoupcanSam · Mar 6, 2019

DIAF said:
DK Metcalf had that great 40 and is built like a greek god, but did you see his agility drill results? He was like dead last in the cone and shuttle out of all the WRs. His production at Ole Miss wasn't eye popping either outside of YPC. I'd rather have 5 or 6 other WRs in this draft other than metcalf. He looks like an injury waiting to happen, as well.

Yeah I didnt catch the other drills. I'll check those out.

phildadon86 · Mar 6, 2019

Aerolithe_Lion said:
Why is ironic, because soon Cooper will be the reason you’ll need to rely on rookie contracts to complete your roster.

You realize Philly tried trading for Cooper right?

Aerolithe_Lion · Mar 6, 2019

phildadon86 said:
You realize Philly tried trading for Cooper right?

Getting him for a 2 is a whole different ballgame than paying a 1, just my opinion.

OmerV · Mar 6, 2019

Aerolithe_Lion said:
While that’s true, he’d be lucky to be as good as Amari, If you drafted him you’d also have amari’s eventual massive contract money free to get Golden Tate AND TJ Yeldon, and maybe a little left over.

Metcalf - Gallup - Austin - Tate
Zeke - Yeldon - Smith

Maybe not as potent as simply having Amari, or maybe it is. Some teams like to have the one dominant guy like NE and Gronk, ATL and Julio, teams like to spread the wealth, like STL/KC.

Maybe you weren’t wrong in getting Amari, but I guess my point was it’s. It necessarily a slam dunk as the best way.

It wasn’t the only way, but It would be a terrible deal if we gave up a 1st rounder and couldn’t keep him longer than a season and 1/2.

Aerolithe_Lion · Mar 6, 2019

OmerV said:
It wasn’t the only way, but It would be a terrible deal if we gave up a 1st rounder and couldn’t keep him longer than a season and 1/2.

Was going to bring that up too, but you can’t really know that when the trade is made.

buybuydandavis · Mar 6, 2019

Doomsday101 said:
Cowboys plan on extending his contract. This was not a 1 year deal then move on. Cowboys have found a very talented player in Cooper and fully expect him to be here for a while

Planning is fun. Expecting is fun.

What the Cowboys have left in the exchange for our 1st is Cooper at 15mil this year, also giving them the exclusive right to negotiate with him until free agency.
But that's all they got. They didn't get fulfillment of their hopes and dreams.

Now watch Cooper put the screws to Jerry, because he'll look like a fool if he *doesn't* extend Cooper. Cooper has all the leverage.

First round picks come a lot cheaper than Cooper will. We could have had our pick *and* 12mil+ to spend in free agency, or to keep our own guys.

This year has a lot of dline talent. We won't be a player.

We mortgaged the future to get a better result last year.

Galian Beast · Mar 6, 2019

Doomsday101 said:
I would give up a 1st for Cooper today based on his play. Once he got to Dallas his numbers were within the top 10 WR in the league. As for Dez his play and attitude was not worth it. I'm sure you will not agree and that is fine, your entitled to your opinion.

It's called trade and sign. The Cowboys' inability to at the very least sign this guy upon trading for him reflects a level of incompetence not many franchises display.

bb721 · Mar 6, 2019

Aerolithe_Lion said:
1st round pick. DK Metcalf looks sick

A lot of players who “look sick” at the combine never pan out.

bb721 · Mar 6, 2019

Aerolithe_Lion said:
While that’s true, he’d be lucky to be as good as Amari, If you drafted him you’d also have amari’s eventual massive contract money free to get Golden Tate AND TJ Yeldon, and maybe a little left over.

That’s flawed logic. Trading for Cooper guarantees that he plays for the Cowboys. Saying that we would have had enough money to pay Golden Tate and TJ Yeldon doesn’t mean that they won’t end up on one of the 31 other potentially interested teams.

Aerolithe_Lion · Mar 7, 2019

bb721 said:
That’s flawed logic. Trading for Cooper guarantees that he plays for the Cowboys. Saying that we would have had enough money to pay Golden Tate and TJ Yeldon doesn’t mean that they won’t end up on one of the 31 other potentially interested teams.

But that first round pick guarantees he plays for the cowboys too. Theres no guarantee cooper plays for the cowboys past next year, which then makes the 1st for him questionable.

bb721 said:
A lot of players who “look sick” at the combine never pan out.

And a lot do. Like anything, there's yin and yang.

Doomsday101 · Mar 7, 2019

Galian Beast said:
It's called trade and sign. The Cowboys' inability to at the very least sign this guy upon trading for him reflects a level of incompetence not many franchises display.

That is how you feel, Maybe this is not the franchise for you since you seem to find nothing about it that you like. Then again maybe complaining is what you like to do. So have at it. I freely will say Cowboys took a gamble on the WR they had to start the season and it did not work out and left them in a situation where they needed help. They did what they had to and in paid off, turning a team who started the season 3-4 into a team who went 7-2. Now we head into this upcoming season with a very good weapon on the outside a true playmaker.

On draft day the Cowboys have Amari Cooper

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