Since 2012 Beasley ranks 55th among WRs in yards

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Biggest problem with that guaranteed cash is that nobody guarantees for more than 3 years, and that's nearly $7M a year in cap hit. $15M guaranteed you have a discussion, but i can't see him doing that much better on teh open market.
 
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Crown Royal said:
Biggest problem with that guaranteed cash is that nobody guarantees for more than 3 years, and that's nearly $7M a year in cap hit. $15M guaranteed you have a discussion, but i can't see him doing that much better on teh open market.
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That is a lot for a 30 year old small WR
 
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conner01 said:
Good player at what he does
Getting too old and expensive
This draft has a good number of slot guys
Time to get younger and cheaper
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Totally agree, but the poster I responded to was way off base in regards to evaluating Beasley's past accomplishments.

Beasley has been a terrific slot WR but he is too old to pay.

Tavon Austin 1 year, 3M
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Parcells4Life said:
How about total receptions?

He’s 52nd with 319. Amendola is 39th with 352.

Charles Clay the TE is 50th with 323.

Cobb and Nelson are each top 20 with 445.

Unless Kellen Moores offense is more like the Packers, there’s no reason to invest in a slot WR.
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Nelson was not a slot WR.

Amendola plays both slot and outside.

Cobb was one of the highest paid WRs in the league at one time.

I'm not advocating paying Beasley. He'll be 30 at the start of the season and is a slot-only WR and is not really a punt returner; however, he has been a terrific player for the Cowboys in his role and consistently drew double coverage in 2017 which is a rare feat for a slot WR. He was well worth his previous 3M per contract.
 
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Parcells4Life said:
since Beasley’s rookie year he’s been 55th among WRs in yards with 3,271. Showing he’s basically just above a JAG

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=2012&year_max=2018&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos[]=wr&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2018&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=pick_overall&conference=any&draft_pos[]=qb&draft_pos[]=rb&draft_pos[]=wr&draft_pos[]=te&draft_pos[]=e&draft_pos[]=t&draft_pos[]=g&draft_pos[]=c&draft_pos[]=ol&draft_pos[]=dt&draft_pos[]=de&draft_pos[]=dl&draft_pos[]=ilb&draft_pos[]=olb&draft_pos[]=lb&draft_pos[]=cb&draft_pos[]=s&draft_pos[]=db&draft_pos[]=k&draft_pos[]=p&c1stat=rec_yds&c1comp=gt&c5val=1.0&order_by=rec_yds
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Now here's the huge flaw with that. They compared SLOT receivers with WIDE receivers. WR play every down, slots do not. WR are there to stretch the field, SLOT receivers run shorter routes basically to get 1st downs. Starting in 2017 there have been plays where Beasley as a SLOT was getting double coverage so defenses were aware of his capabilities. Your list is just like when QB's and WR's run the ball and their total yards are way down the list compared to what RB's get. Why - because they don't run the ball on every downjust like SLOT receivers don't play every down and aren't there to run deep routes.
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Now here's the huge flaw with that. They compared SLOT receivers with WIDE receivers. WR play every down, slots do not. WR are there to stretch the field, SLOT receivers run shorter routes basically to get 1st downs. Starting in 2017 there have been plays where Beasley as a SLOT was getting double coverage so defenses were aware of his capabilities. Your list is just like when QB's and WR's run the ball and their total yards are way down the list compared to what RB's get. Why - because they don't run the ball on every downjust like SLOT receivers don't play every down and aren't there to run deep routes.
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I also did total catches. He was 52nd on that list.
 
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xwalker said:
Totally agree, but the poster I responded to was way off base in regards to evaluating Beasley's past accomplishments.

Beasley has been a terrific slot WR but he is too old to pay.

Tavon Austin 1 year, 3M
Draft.
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Has Beasley slowed down or he doesn't run really good routes anymore? If Beasley is to old now than Larry Fitzgerald should have retired 6 years ago.
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Parcells4Life said:
I also did total catches. He was 52nd on that list.
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since there are only 32 starting WRs ... that's well done the list of SWRs as well

He's a great athlete, pound for pound a beast, and Dak's favorite target ... that don't justify $20 guaranteed on a team with 1 decent DT and weak LGs.

Pay big men and QBs, the rest can be replaced fairly easy.
 
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gjkoeppen said:
Has Beasley slowed down or he doesn't run really good routes anymore? If Beasley is to old now than Larry Fitzgerald should have retired 6 years ago.
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Are you really comparing Beasley to Larry Fitzgerald?
 
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conner01 said:
Good player at what he does
Getting too old and expensive
This draft has a good number of slot guys
Time to get younger and cheaper
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And tell me has EVERY player that comes out of college been better than the player they replaced. There's never been a player thought to be good and turned out to be a bust. Are you guaranteeing that if the Cowboys let Beasley walk that some rookie is going to be as good and get double coverage sometimes like Beasley does? There are reasons why some players have longer careers than others because of how they play.
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Number1 said:
since there are only 32 starting WRs ... that's well done the list of SWRs as well

He's a great athlete, pound for pound a beast, and Dak's favorite target ... that don't justify $20 guaranteed on a team with 1 decent DT and weak LGs.

Pay big men and QBs, the rest can be replaced fairly easy.
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In the NFL most of the time teams have TWO starting wide receivers so that would make it 64 starting WR's not 32. They all have a #1 receiver so ya there are 32 #1 WR's but most of the time there's another WR on the opposite side of the line. Now the normal exception is on short yardage when they bring in another TE so the #2 receiver isn't on the field.
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xwalker said:
Are you really comparing Beasley to Larry Fitzgerald?
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No I'm saying if 29 is to old now to play and Fitzgerald is 35 and will be 36 before the 2019 season starts it's foolish to just say because of age a player is to old. As I also said has Beasley slowed down or stop running really good routes?
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Given the sheer volume of space they have, the Colts could sign an impact defender or two and still have more than enough left over to add a similarly impactful player on the other side of the ball. The best-case scenario would be a moderate length deal for Golden Tate, who is just about as perfect a fit across from T.Y. Hilton as there has ever been. The Colts cycled through a whole lot of That Guys across from Hilton last season but Tate would provide a consistency and upside at the position that nobody else they used could ever reach. Failing a deal with him, Cole Beasley would make an interesting target as an option for the slot.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ag=SNL-04-10aaa0c&ET_CID=72668&ET_RID=6932623
 
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gjkoeppen said:
In the NFL most of the time teams have TWO starting wide receivers so that would make it 64 starting WR's not 32. They all have a #1 receiver so ya there are 32 #1 WR's but most of the time there's another WR on the opposite side of the line. Now the normal exception is on short yardage when they bring in another TE so the #2 receiver isn't on the field.
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I did mis-phrase that ... starting go to "#1 WR's", they generally play X,

Y and Z WRs tend to split targets

Beasley's one of the best Zs, but unless you picture the Boys scrapping their timing system to get better use of him by cheating with down field screens (like a rub offense) $20M locked is kinda crazy
 
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gjkoeppen said:
No I'm saying if 29 is to old now to play and Fitzgerald is 35 and will be 36 before the 2019 season starts it's foolish to just say because of age a player is to old. As I also said has Beasley slowed down or stop running really good routes?
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If Beasley would sign for a reasonable amount, then he has value remaining, but it's doubtful that he is worth what he wants even if 3 years younger. The age issue just makes it an easier decision.

At a year older, Edelman signed for 2 years, 11M total.

Also, Beasley is limited. He does not have the deep speed of many small WRs. His limits put limits on the overall offense because it makes it more predictable than it would be with either a bigger player or elite speed player in the slot. Randall Cobb Edelman, Amendola, etc.. are all bigger.

Tyreek Hill is similar height but his insane speed allows him to play anywhere.

Think about a good but not elite player like Anthony Hitchens. Seeing Vander Esch and Jaylon should make it obvious why the Cowboys were wise not to pay Hitchens 9M per. Beasley like Hitchens is a limited player.
 
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