New 4th and 15 onside kick rule?

erod · Mar 24, 2019

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/24/john-mara-is-only-competition-committee-member-opposed-to-onside-kick-alternative/

This is a terrible idea, and Dallas would have a huge disadvantage if passed. This favors teams with elite quarterbacks HUGELY.

Imagine Aaron Rodgers against the Dolphins. He'd have a 80% chance of converting the inside kick. Lol

Special teams should determine onside kicks, not quarterbacks.

Bad idea.

HungryLion · Mar 24, 2019

It would be a lot easier and make more sense, to just allow teams to follow the old kickoff rules ONLY for onside kicks.

Like the team can declare to refs, we are going to onside kick. Then they can let the kicking team get a running start like before.

Changing the rule completely to this 4th and 15 crap is stupid.

Parcells4Life · Mar 24, 2019

Something has to be done to even out odds a bit for onside kick. It went from having a small but possible chance to having no chance at all due to formation and run up rule

Killerinstinct · Mar 24, 2019

Just make it a coin flip. But you have to guess right 9 out of 10 times.

KingintheNorth · Mar 24, 2019

You can tell by the rule changes the past few years that they are slowly getting rid of kickoffs. It's the most dangerous (top speed, high collisions) play in the football.
One, there are NFL people who generally care about players welfare and want to make the game safer. Two, from a legal standpoint, it shows the league is taking real steps to reduce opportunities for concussions.

Mark my words, within 10 years the kickoff will be gone, and kids will not play tackle football until 12, possibly high school age. It's the only way football will survive.

JBS · Mar 24, 2019

Parcells4Life said:
Something has to be done to even out odds a bit for onside kick. It went from having a small but possible chance to having no chance at all due to formation and run up rule

This is the best post in this thread now and it won't be beaten either..100% true

risco · Mar 24, 2019

erod said:
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/24/john-mara-is-only-competition-committee-member-opposed-to-onside-kick-alternative/

This is a terrible idea, and Dallas would have a huge disadvantage if passed. This favors teams with elite quarterbacks HUGELY.

Imagine Aaron Rodgers against the Dolphins. He'd have a 80% chance of converting the inside kick. Lol

Special teams should determine onside kicks, not quarterbacks.

Bad idea.

I may be drunk- but it’s hard to understand what you are writing.

HeavyBarrel · Mar 24, 2019

I don’t know the details but I assume the ball will be given to the offense if the D commits an automatic 1st down penalty? So even more chances for refs to throw flags??

Kevinicus · Mar 24, 2019

Killerinstinct said:
Just make it a coin flip. But you have to guess right 9 out of 10 times.

So nearly impossible?

HungryLion · Mar 24, 2019

HeavyBarrel said:
I don’t know the details but I assume the ball will be given to the offense if the D commits an automatic 1st down penalty? So even more chances for refs to throw flags??

I didn’t even think about the penalties. But yes this is horrible if so. Just horrible.

DasSchnitzel · Mar 24, 2019

So you kick a field goal from the 20 to start the 4th quarter. You run a 15 yard play and keep the ball. You drive 5 minutes into field goal range, get 3, run a 15 yard play, repeat.

There's going to be teams that keep the ball all 4th quarter without much trouble.

There's also going to become special packages on offense specifically for this 15 yard attempt.

They're acting like it's a small change, this change would dramatically impact 4th quarter strategy

jazzcat22 · Mar 24, 2019

KingintheNorth said:
You can tell by the rule changes the past few years that they are slowly getting rid of kickoffs. It's the most dangerous (top speed, high collisions) play in the football.
One, there are NFL people who generally care about players welfare and want to make the game safer. Two, from a legal standpoint, it shows the league is taking real steps to reduce opportunities for concussions.

Mark my words, within 10 years the kickoff will be gone, and kids will not play tackle football until 12, possibly high school age. It's the only way football will survive.

If they keep messing with the game, in 10 years football will be gone or so far down hill, it will be soon after.

HungryLion · Mar 24, 2019

I don’t see why this is an issue.

A ton of games in the NFL already come down to the last minute or go to OT.

There really isn’t some dramatic need to provide teams an opportunity to get back into a game. Most NFL games are still competitive until the final minutes, as is.

darthseinfeld · Mar 24, 2019

erod said:
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/24/john-mara-is-only-competition-committee-member-opposed-to-onside-kick-alternative/

This is a terrible idea, and Dallas would have a huge disadvantage if passed. This favors teams with elite quarterbacks HUGELY.

Imagine Aaron Rodgers against the Dolphins. He'd have a 80% chance of converting the inside kick. Lol

Special teams should determine onside kicks, not quarterbacks.

Bad idea.

It too bad we dont still have Romo. That would be hot

KingintheNorth · Mar 24, 2019

jazzcat22 said:
If they keep messing with the game, in 10 years football will be gone or so far down hill, it will be soon after.

People once thought this about the forward pass, helmets, and then face masks. The game evolves.

CT Dal Fan · Mar 24, 2019

The NFL I knew as a youngster and loved so much is dying a slow and painful death. As others have said, go back to the old onside kick rules! Simple!

On a related note, I was never a fan of the new overtime rules, either. The whining about a coin toss deciding a game's outcome. If your team's defense can't force a three and out with the game on the line, they deserve to lose.

acr731 · Mar 24, 2019

I can't wait to see this implemented. It will be quite entertaining watching Dak throw the ball 14 yards short, or toss it to Witten on a 5 yard route that results in a 6 yard gain.

Sarge · Mar 24, 2019

erod said:
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/24/john-mara-is-only-competition-committee-member-opposed-to-onside-kick-alternative/

This is a terrible idea, and Dallas would have a huge disadvantage if passed. This favors teams with elite quarterbacks HUGELY.

Imagine Aaron Rodgers against the Dolphins. He'd have a 80% chance of converting the inside kick. Lol

Special teams should determine onside kicks, not quarterbacks.

Bad idea.

I thought you gave up on the season and didn’t care anymore.

boyzjunkie · Mar 24, 2019

If Gronk is healthy the Pats may never have to play a single down on defense.

acr731 · Mar 24, 2019

Sarge said:
I thought you gave up on the season and didn’t care anymore.

Gotta keep the post count up, right?

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