Tanks seeks 22.5, Cowboys offer 20

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Doomsday101 said:
Dallas is being more than fair, if DLaw is holding out for 22 mill then move on.
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In trading this is called "being a (bleep) for a tick". If they want him, they need to get this done.

Lets say a stock is trading $15 and you say I like it, but I'm not sure about the company yet so I'll pay $13 for it if it comes down in price. Next thing it's trading $18 and you're like oh boy, well, fine I'll pay the $15 but $18 is ridiculous. Time goes on, company does better and now it's trading $22. Well heck you'll pay $20 but not....

This is exactly what the Cowboys have done with him the last 2-3 years. They can wait until FA next year to pay him $24m if they like?
 
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If dallas has offered 20m and he still isn't satified this is pure greed. Coupled with the shenanigins played by refusing surgery, i am gradually losing patience with this guy. Nobody is bigger than the Cowboys ( including the joneses).
 
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movaughn88 said:
In trading this is called "being a (bleep) for a tick". If they want him, they need to get this done.

Lets say a stock is trading $15 and you say I like it, but I'm not sure about the company yet so I'll pay $13 for it if it comes down in price. Next thing it's trading $18 and you're like oh boy, well, fine I'll pay the $15 but $18 is ridiculous. Time goes on, company does better and now it's trading $22. Well heck you'll pay $20 but not....

This is exactly what the Cowboys have done with him the last 2-3 years. They can wait until FA next year to pay him $24m if they like?
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I expect Dallas to offer up a fair deal at 20 mill a year he will be the highest paid DE in the NFL, does he deserve to be the highest paid? I don't think so. He is clearly a top 5 and I think the Cowboys offer is more than fair. I also think while DLaw only has to be concerned for himself the Dallas Cowboys have to be responsible for a team of 53 and a cap that is in place. I hope they can agree on a deal that is good for DLaw but also good for the Dallas Cowboys. If not then play him under the FA tag or look to trade. I do believe in fairness but that must be both sides not just what is good for DLaw
 

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Mack is at $23.5MM AAV and Donald is at $22.5MM AAV.

He's not as good as either player. He's being unreasonable, especially when you take into account he's trying to use his shoulder surgery as leverage.

Never imagined I would say this a few months ago when I was pushing to bring him back............. but trading him won't be the worst thing.
 
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There has got to be a hang-up on the structure or the guaranteed money or something else. I don't think anyone would describe $2.5MM as being "far apart".
 
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Denim Chicken said:
There has got to be a hang-up on the structure or the guaranteed money or something else. I don't think anyone would describe $2.5MM as being "far apart".
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2.5M over the span of a 4 or 5 year long contract adds up though.

The issue is likely guaranteed money.
 
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Diehardblues said:
For 2.5 million were going to risk our season . Great job Stephen the cheapskate. Please Daddy, come to the rescue.

Our defense will be decimated without Gregory, Irving and Lawrence.
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For what are you serious. This is a crucial contract for the Cowboys to show that they run the ship not the player. If they cave here then what happens with Dak, Zeke, Cooper, Jones, Smith and LVE? Have you seen the deals that the Cowboys have completed with other main stays (Smith, Martin, Fredrick, Lee), none of them underpaid, all paid accordingly but not overpaid.

Cave on Lawrence and the Cowboys will have larger issues upcoming. Saving 2 million a year on all players mentioned adds to your team. Caving will cause holdouts, trades or non-signing.

I get that this money is any of the fans. But if you want a competitive team long term, what Stephen is doing is great. And you all should be backing it 100%. One thing if he lowballs our players, another if he isn't willing to overpay.
 

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Stand pat or trade him. He isn't as good as he thinks he is. I can't stand greedy players. That 2.5 mil could be spent to upgrade another position. If he cared about the team instead of just himself he would take it happily.

A baseball example of this is Dallas Keuchel. His greed and thinking hes better than his is has really bit him in the butt.
 
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DRella said:
(Smith, Martin, Fredrick, Lee), none of them underpaid, all paid accordingly but not overpaid.
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Cowboys set the market with many of those contracts at the time. They look good now because it's been a while.
 

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DRella said:
For what are you serious. This is a crucial contract for the Cowboys to show that they run the ship not the player. If they cave here then what happens with Dak, Zeke, Cooper, Jones, Smith and LVE? Have you seen the deals that the Cowboys have completed with other main stays (Smith, Martin, Fredrick, Lee), none of them underpaid, all paid accordingly but not overpaid.

Cave on Lawrence and the Cowboys will have larger issues upcoming. Saving 2 million a year on all players mentioned adds to your team. Caving will cause holdouts, trades or non-signing.

I get that this money is any of the fans. But if you want a competitive team long term, what Stephen is doing is great. And you all should be backing it 100%. One thing if he lowballs our players, another if he isn't willing to overpay.
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Yep.

People are just looking at this in a vacuum. If the Cowboys cave and give him everything Lawrence wants, it makes signing other players tougher because they too can take the position that if they hold the franchise hostage, the Jones' will cave as well.

And I am hardly a defender of Jerry or Stephen around here but I'd have no problems if they drew the line in the sand with Lawrence.
 
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If this is true and the other reports that say they aren't close are true, then the avg annual isn't a issue , it's the guarantee that his the hang up.
 
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nightrain said:
Tank is a really good player, but paying him $20M/year will handcuff this team and I don't feel he is that good. I would have expected a $20M/year player to have more of a presence in the Divisional game.
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It will in no way handcuff this team. He's not going to get $20 million each year. The contract will be staggered amounts with restructures built into it.

For example, Zack Martin got a six-year, $84 million contract last year. His cap hit his first year was $6 million. It is set to be $14 million this year, but Dallas could restructure if it needed cap space. It could do the same the next year or the year after that. As you get closer to the end of the contract, the cost to keep him becomes greater than the cost to cut him, so you can get out of the contract and save money against the cap, even if you restructured at some point. If Martin's play is still at a high level near the end of the contract, then you can restructure completely and start over again with a lower cap hit at the beginning of the new deal, money that can be pushed down the line with a built-in restructure that opens cap space and then the eventuality that the cost to cut him is less than the cost to keep him.
 
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This isn't going to go over well...the Cowboys not only talking publicly about is shoulder injury (Jerry Jones speaking at the Owners Meetings), now leaking the numbers is going to make his agent and DLaw unhappy.
 
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