DLaw looking for 6 years, $140 mil with $85 garuanteed

Noclaf · Mar 28, 2019

Screw him, trade him as fast as you can, no way in hades he is worth that

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 28, 2019

Future said:
Yes he is. Teams play more than half their snaps in the nickel, there's no real differentiator between DE and OLB in today's NFL.

What matters is that they both play the edge.

I don't agree with this at all. LBs cover, DEs, not so much.

Kage · Mar 28, 2019

See ya Tank.

baltcowboy · Mar 28, 2019

rocyaice said:
I want a lot of things. I’m sure he does too. His market value is what teams are willing to pay him. No one is paying him that money. If he chooses to sit out then he has to deal with the potential consequences of sitting out for the year and missing out on 17 to 21 million.

How do you know no one will pay him that money? The franchise tag is terrible. It screws the players. If I was Tank I would sign the tag right before the season starts. Then get my shoulder surgery and play 10 games.

CouchCoach · Mar 28, 2019

Next greedy man up.

LACowboysFan1 · Mar 28, 2019

cowboys1985 said:
Exactly Dallas cant compete with those teams. More the reason why they should have taken care of this last year and not let it get to this point.

Well in fairness how many said not to pay Lawrence last year because one good year wasn't enough to pay out that kind of money? The "let him duplicate that and then we'll pay him" viewpoint. And there's validity to that. What if they forked over the money last year and his back got worse and now he's out of the league? People would then be screaming he was paid too early, just like some are screaming T. Crawford is "vastly overpaid" and was given a big contract too early in his Cowboys career.

Of course since the Cowboys didn't do that, now he's "worth" even more money.

But it's all 20-20 hindsight, no one knew what he would do in 2018, could have done as well as he did or fallen off, and in the latter case it would be "whew, we dodged a bullet, could have gotten stuck with a lot of dead cap money, good thing we did the franchise tag".

You make your decision and live with it..

Flamma · Mar 28, 2019

Noclaf said:
Screw him, trade him as fast as you can, no way in hades he is worth that

I don't think he wants to play for the Cowboys. Probably throwing up a demand to see if it sticks. He's probably looking for the most possible money and don't care what team gives it to him. Because he has to know the Cowboys can't afford that. But hey, players don't have to want to win, teams do.

AmericanCowboy · Mar 28, 2019

At those numbers, keep the franchise tag. If he won't sign it then ride out the year without him. No way will he make up that money by sitting out the year.

These are insane numbers.

Future · Mar 28, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
I don't agree with this at all. LBs cover, DEs, not so much.

No they don't. Not 3-4 OLBs. They either come off the field or play the edge in the nickel. I mean, would you compare Khalil Mack to Luke Keuchly, because they are both LBs? No.

Teams play half their snaps in the nickel, if not more, and in those scenarios, there is absolutely zero difference between an OLB and a DE. In 2016 and 2017 (can't find 18), teams played the "base" defense ~30% of the time. Mack isn't dropping in coverage so often on those plays to make that an actual important part of what he's asked to do. He might as a changeup once in a while, but that's not part of his role.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/2017-defensive-personnel-analysis

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 28, 2019

OmerV said:
I don't know what you do for a living, but my guess is it would be easier for your boss to replace you with someone equivalent than it would be for the Cowboys to replace Lawrence with someone equivalent. Not picking on you - that same thing would apply to me and my working situation too. NFL players have more leverage than everyday people, especially top ones, because you can't just hire a job recruiter to find candidates, hold interviews and find an equivalent replacement.

That said, I'm cool with it if the Cowboys decide not to meet Lawrence's demands. I would hate to lose him, but his contract has to fit within the overall team needs.

As I read this, and don't take this as a direct comment to you because it's not, but as I read this, it's sad to me that a person who has a job that requires them to risk their life has less leverage (potentially) then a professional athlete. Just doesn't seem like a good way to do things but yeah, that's the world we live in.

Beast_from_East · Mar 28, 2019

Sydla said:
Inflation dude. It's nasty.

Tank must be high as a kite wanting to be the highest paid edge rusher in the league. Dude is tripping.

I have been going to bat for the guy in multiple threads arguing he is worth $20-$22 million, but this constant increasing his demand is starting to piss me off.

erod · Mar 28, 2019

JBS said:
If I was Jerry Jones I would definitely tell tank that we are trying to keep the core players together..he will definitely take a discount If we tell him that

Today's players don't give a rip about that. They just want money.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 28, 2019

cowboys1985 said:
Yes, Dallas have other top tier players but they knew that last year. They could have locked in Lawrence for less but decided to tag him because they wanted him to prove it again. Not going to blame Lawrence for asking for the moon afterwards. He has that right, and Dallas has the right to either to continue to negotiate with Lawrence or trade him. It's business.

No, they can just tag him and let him sit. Cowboys don't necessarily have to trade him or pay him what he wants. Lets also remember that the Cowboys tried to negotiate a contract with Lawrence last year. Same thing happened then, as now. Lawrence wanted too much money and the team didn't want to sacrifice cap health. Nothing is really different now then then IMO. DLaw has a very high opinion of himself, and that's fine, but the reality of business can sometimes be a stiff right hook to the jaw of reality. I suspect that this is exactly what's going to happen here. The question is, will it be to the chin of the Cowboy or to Lawrence?

cowboys1985 · Mar 28, 2019

LACowboysFan1 said:
Well in fairness how many said not to pay Lawrence last year because one good year wasn't enough to pay out that kind of money? The "let him duplicate that and then we'll pay him" viewpoint. And there's validity to that. What if they forked over the money last year and his back got worse and now he's out of the league? People would then be screaming he was paid too early, just like some are screaming T. Crawford is "vastly overpaid" and was given a big contract too early in his Cowboys career.

Of course since the Cowboys didn't do that, now he's "worth" even more money.

But it's all 20-20 hindsight, no one knew what he would do in 2018, could have done as well as he did or fallen off, and in the latter case it would be "whew, we dodged a bullet, could have gotten stuck with a lot of dead cap money, good thing we did the franchise tag".

You make your decision and live with it..

I agree, it is hindsight 20/20. But in the interest of fairness I wanted to point out the hypocrisy in teams regarding the franchise tag. They use it agressively to their advantage but when it blows up in their face (like with Lawrence) they now crying bloody murder at a player asking for the moon.

But your're right, this is the bed Dallas needs to live in. Pay the premium or trade him. But to call out Lawrence and his agent for being greedy and unreasonable is unfair.

camaro69 · Mar 28, 2019

Roadtrip635 said:
Tank be trippin'......... have him drug tested or the very least his agent

This is who he really is. Remember his sack celebration where he opened up a safe a gave money to his team mates. If he gets his money he'll lay down on this team like an old dog. kick rocks

Mr_437 · Mar 28, 2019

Negotiations thru the media is a bad look...I don't care what's going on...and don't believe everything you read. We'll find out the truth later.

Quinn isn't here, Dak hasn't been extended, Amari either...every FA signing was one year deals (except Fleming). Just saying a trend is developing.

aikemirv · Mar 28, 2019

GMO415 said:
Cowboys are willing to offer DeMarcus Lawrence a six-year deal with an average of $20M but he wants more money, per @calvinwatkins

This is where pride gets in the way of common sense. He is going to hold out for 3 million a year and then take a deal with someone in a taxable income state and end up with less - but his agent, by the way, is going to get more - Tank will just shoot himself in the foot!

3 million more - Federal taxes off the top take 1 Million - another 1.4 million in State taxes if he does not end up in Florida or Texas - another 300K to his agent - just assume 10% (that may be wrong)

So he gets 300 K a year out of that and the pride of being the highest paid DE

IDIOT and poor advice!

erod · Mar 28, 2019

This exemplifies why the franchise tag is dumb to use. Players have figured out how to weaponize it.

Dallas is cornered here. He can hold out until the day before the season, get his surgery, rehab it, play 8-10 games, and go into free agency again. And get $20 million for his trouble.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 28, 2019

Future said:
No they don't. Not 3-4 OLBs. They either come off the field or play the edge in the nickel. I mean, would you compare Khalil Mack to Luke Keuchly, because they are both LBs? No.

Teams play half their snaps in the nickel, if not more, and in those scenarios, there is absolutely zero difference between an OLB and a DE. In 2016 and 2017 (can't find 18), teams played the "base" defense ~30% of the time. Mack isn't dropping in coverage so often on those plays to make that an actual important part of what he's asked to do. He might as a changeup once in a while, but that's not part of his role.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/2017-defensive-personnel-analysis

Yeah, they do. The beauty of a 34 is not knowing where the rush is coming from. Now, I agree that you have some LBs who are better pass rushers then others but you don't lock yourself in in a 34. Why even play the 34 if you are going to do this. It defeats the purpose of the scheme. The entire reason the 34 was created was to provide this flexibility. Mack is playing in coverage. He had 4 Passes Defended last year and 1 INT.

RodeoJake · Mar 28, 2019

baltcowboy said:
How do you know no one will pay him that money? The franchise tag is terrible. It screws the players. If I was Tank I would sign the tag right before the season starts. Then get my shoulder surgery and play 10 games.

The problem with that is we can pull the tag before then and then who's gonna sign him needing surgery?

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