Which roster is better - Dallas or Philly?

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QuincyCarterEra said:
Dak Prescott - 48 Games (32-16) - 975/1,475 (66.1%) - 10,876 Passing Yards (7.37 YPA) - 67 Passing Touchdowns - 25 Interceptions - 95.9 Rating - 944 Rushing Yards - 18 Rushing Touchdowns

Carson Wentz - 40 Games (23-17) - 923/1.448 (63.7%) - 10,152 Passing Yards (7.0 YPA) - 70 Passing Touchdowns - 27 Interceptions - 92.5 Rating - 542 Rushing Yards - 2 Rushing Touchdowns


This while Wentz has had better surrounding talent and better coaching

This really shouldn't be an argument.
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Great stuff you posted, QCE! Thanks.

This should silence the Dak haters, but I'm sure it won't.

Looks like Wince is the dink-n-dunker, NOT Dak.

Dak beats out Wince in every category. It's not even debatable. After 3 seasons, Dak has better numbers in every category.

Dak > Wince

You are right. This really shouldn't be an argument. We should be glad to have Dak. Thanks once again for doing our homework and showing such comparable stats.
 
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PhillySpecial said:
I've heard it said that it would take at least 5 years to clean up the mess that Chip Kelly left behind. The Eagles are entering year 4 of that clean-up. It doesn't mean we can't be competitive and win games while in the "process" (I'm sure as a Cowboys fan you're familiar with that word) of cleaning up that mess.

By my estimation Dallas started cleaning up their mess in 2011 when Garrett became the full time HC. Cowboys are entering year 9 of their process.

Cowboys got a 5 year head-start.
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The Eagles only took 1 year to "clean up" and won a SB with a backup qb. What a great story but I know every time Carson runs or take s a shot you cringe because of the injury factor. Every year is another "process" for every team because of FA and the cap. That's just the way it is now in the nfl. Don't dog our coaching staff on our boards. That gets done enough by our own fans. We don't need any help. :laugh:
 
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America's Cowboy said:
Great stuff you posted, QCE! Thanks.

This should silence the Dak haters, but I'm sure it won't.

Looks like Wince is the dink-n-dunker, NOT Dak.

Dak beats out Wince in every category. It's not even debatable. After 3 seasons, Dak has better numbers in every category.

Dak > Wince

You are right. This really shouldn't be an argument. We should be glad to have Dak. Thanks once again for doing our homework and showing such comparable stats.
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The only problem is we don't have a SB. Wentz does. Not that he had anything to do with getting a ring but still. Dak needs a SB and it still won't silence the crowd.
 

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Yea maybe redo this in a few weeks

LB is so much less important than it was a decade ago. Eagles played a lot of dime last year with Malcolm Jenkins playing a hybrid LB role. 3rd LB is much less important than slot corner
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Eagles played a lot of dime last year with Jenkins at LB because they had to. They didn't have any good LBs outside of Bradham. Hicks was perpetually nicked up, etc.

And let's note, it wasn't like the Eagles defense was dominant last year. So I am not sure I'd use Jenkins playing a lot of dime LB is proof that the LB position is dying.
 

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mmohican29 said:
Id rather be on the winning team 5 of last 6 in h2h contests.

And Jenkins is a plus player but no game changer. One of the most overrated players in the NFL IMO.
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Jenkins is still better than any safety we have.

No one said he was elite. We just said he's better than any safety we have, which is accurate.
 

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mmohican29 said:
True. Both games had zero meaning.

Gotta go with h2h QB. Dak's outplayed Wentz. It is what it is.
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If simply going by wins and losses, Dak is 3-2 against Wentz (Wentz didn't play in the last game in 2017). So yes, in wins and losses he's out played Wentz.

Statistically? He really hasn't.

In the five games where both QBs played:

Wentz - 67.2% completion percentage, 1203 yards, 10 TDs, 1 interception, 100.0 rating

Prescott - 64.9% completion percentage, 1194, 6 TDs, 6 interceptions, 82.8 rating

Now, I am not suggesting you take Wentz over Prescott based on this sample of games, but the idea that Prescott has outplayed Wentz in head to head matchups isn't born out by the stats.
 
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A good friend of mine, who is an Eagles fan, was over for drinks this weekend, and we got into a debate about Philly versus Dallas. He pointed out a stupid fan poll, which said the Eagles were the favorites this coming season in the NFC East. I asked him what Philadelphia has done to make their roster that much better than the 9-7 team that sneaked into the back door of the playoffs last year, given the fact that they no longer have their Lord and Savior Nick Foles. He said Philly absolutely has a better roster than Dallas right now. I said I think he's crazy. As an exercise, let me know if you agree with this attempt at an unbiased assessment:

OFFENSE

QB: Philly
-Prescott has better stats and a better record, but Wentz has played extremely well when healthy. If both players are 100% healthy, Wentz might be a better QB. It's closer than my Eagles fan friend will ever admit, though.

RB: Dallas
-There's no debate here

WR: Dallas
-This one is where our debate would probably start. He thinks Alshon Jeffrey is a really good receiver. I'm not all that impressed with him. He's certainly a different type of receiver than Amari Cooper, but I don't think he's better. Cooper has better stats and more Pro Bowls than Jeffrey, in fewer years. At the #2 WR spot, DeShaun Jackson is probably better than Michael Gallup due to experience. At the #3 WR spot, Nelson Agholor and Randall Cobb may be a push.

TE: Philly
-Zach Ertz is one of the best in the business, for sure, and his backup is pretty good too.

OL: Dallas
-This is actually a pretty close one too, but I think if Frederick comes back at near 100%, Dallas' Great Wall will be back in business.

DEFENSE

DE: Dallas
-With Lawrence now signed and Quinn on board for a year, I think Dallas has this one

DT: Philly
-Fletcher Cox is really, really good and Malik Jackson was a good signing.

LB: Dallas
-I don't see any logical argument here.

CB: Dallas
-This may be where my bias is showing, but I think our lineup looks better than theirs. Both teams have good young CBs, but Dallas had one Pro Bowler and Philly had none, so we win.

S: Philly
-Malcolm Jenkins is a very good safety.

SPECIAL TEAMS

K: Dallas
-Maybe ... I don't know. Neither team had a particularly good kicker this year.

P: I have no idea
-Really ... no idea
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One element matters more than any of this...head coach.
 

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America's Cowboy said:
Great stuff you posted, QCE! Thanks.

This should silence the Dak haters, but I'm sure it won't.

Looks like Wince is the dink-n-dunker, NOT Dak.

Dak beats out Wince in every category. It's not even debatable. After 3 seasons, Dak has better numbers in every category.

Dak > Wince

You are right. This really shouldn't be an argument. We should be glad to have Dak. Thanks once again for doing our homework and showing such comparable stats.
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I can't claim this work as my own, I should have used quotation marks. that's my fault.

But it does paint a very clear picture.
 
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Eagles played a lot of dime last year with Jenkins at LB because they had to. They didn't have any good LBs outside of Bradham. Hicks was perpetually nicked up, etc.

And let's note, it wasn't like the Eagles defense was dominant last year. So I am not sure I'd use Jenkins playing a lot of dime LB is proof that the LB position is dying.
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Great post. Agreed.

The LB position isn’t dying at all. It is evolving though. LB’s with range and length who can cover are more in demand. The “big ole thumper” LB’s are dying off, sure.

But long, rangy, athletic LB’s are still in high demand. Just look at how many LB’s still get drafted in the first through 3rd rounds.

Look at the impact LVE and Jaylon had on the Dallas defense.

Look at the impact Darius Leonard had on the colts defense.

Myles Jack on the Jags, etc etc etc. the list goes on.
 
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Great post. Agreed.

The LB position isn’t dying at all. It is evolving though. LB’s with range and length who can cover are more in demand. The “big ole thumper” LB’s are dying off, sure.

But long, rangy, athletic LB’s are still in high demand. Just look at how many LB’s still get drafted in the first through 3rd rounds.

Look at the impact LVE and Jaylon had on the Dallas defense.

Look at the impact Darius Leonard had on the colts defense.
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Pretty much.

I will agree that one LB is probably dying - the SAM position. You are seeing more teams, including Dallas, play more nickel as the league continues to be a passing league.
 
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can't wait to see us play the eagles next season.
 
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Sydla said:
Pretty much.

I will agree that one LB is probably dying - the SAM position. You are seeing more teams, including Dallas, play more nickel as the league continues to be a passing league.
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The SAM position is dying as a full time position sure.

That being said. The cowboys chose to stay in Nickel against the Rams all game long and refused to put a 3rd LB on the field.

No idea if putting an extra LB on the field would have helped or not. But it couldn’t have been worse. Lol
 

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The SAM position is dying as a full time position sure.

That being said. The cowboys chose to stay in Nickel against the Rams all game long and refused to put a 3rd LB on the field.

No idea if putting an extra LB on the field would have helped or not. But it couldn’t have been worse. Lol
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I am not sure a 3rd LB would have mattered. The DL got whipped and the defensive coaches got out-schemed. Adding a 3rd LB wasn't going to change much of that.
 
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