How have we gotten to this again?

CyberB0b · Apr 20, 2019

Romo's contract was far from obscene.

superonyx · Apr 20, 2019

Redball Express said:
I guess I do not understand your comment.

You mean just rushing ahead without validation is OK?

We have seen DAK in two playoff games where his play could not get the win..Packers and Rams.

We have seen during Zeke's suspension that DAK was not good enough to succeed on his play alone.

Coach Eric Mangini in an interview on First Things First a few months back said about DAK that a player like him that requires constantly adding high price players around him to win is a caution.

He said a lot of other things about us that are very true.

At some point DAK has to prove he is the difference maker..

not a expensive complimentary piece.

That is the nature of the position at the highest levels.

We have to be careful.

You are showing your bias with making invalid points. Dak out played Aaron Rodgers in his first playoff game. The QB can’t be blamed for this loss. You diminish his achievements and exaggerate any shortcomings. This weakens your entire argument.

Also the patriots drafted Jimmy G only when they thought Brady would be retiring in the next couple of years. No one thought he would play until 50.

superonyx · Apr 20, 2019

Mannix said:
------Before taking another poison pill contract in the hopes of succeeding..let DAK win something more than a preliminary playoff game.

Amen

------Why is it Dak or Cooper Rush?

I am tired of hearing about Cooper Rush....I still think that Mike White will end up starting in the NFL.

Oh now there are “preliminary “ playoff games.

You Dak hater seem to be upset he won a playoff game because that took your talking point away. So now you try to move the goal post.

You don’t have to like Dak or think he is the right QB for us.
But when you try to use these tactics to make your points you end up sounding biases or ugly just to support your bias. The problem people who don’t like Dak have is this. He has effectively eliminated most arguments you can make against him. So your stuck making stuff up.

Now we have people using a Romo’s injury history as reasons to not pay Dak.
Yikes.

Redball Express · Apr 20, 2019

aria said:
What does Dak’s contract have to do with winning anything? Last time I checked there were 11 other players on each side of the ball that have something to say about that. Dak didn’t lose the Rams game, the defense did. Dak didn’t lose the Packers game, the defense did against one of the best QB’s to play the game. I don’t see how whether the Cowboys win anything or not this year should have any bearing on his contract. If that was the case with Romo we would have never even given him an extension.

I understand.

But winning is the bottom line.

Romo, as much as I liked him over Bledsoe..

was too quickly annointed our next savior QB.

The organization never challenged Romo with competition for his job.

Then they gave him his big contract and that is where things got complicated.

We won only sporadically.

If we give DAK the big contract..

I can see this forum going crazy if we go 3-5 again.

DAK is going to be on a very short leash of expectation.

There will be little patience if he stumbles.

If he continues missing wide open receiver for TDs or throws balls in the ground like last year or continues to hold the ball for sacks..

and we have no backup to fall back on..

Katy bar the door.

Redball Express · Apr 20, 2019

aria said:
What does Dak’s contract have to do with winning anything? Last time I checked there were 11 other players on each side of the ball that have something to say about that. Dak didn’t lose the Rams game, the defense did. Dak didn’t lose the Packers game, the defense did against one of the best QB’s to play the game. I don’t see how whether the Cowboys win anything or not this year should have any bearing on his contract. If that was the case with Romo we would have never even given him an extension.

I understand.

But winning is the bottom line.

Romo, as much as I liked him over Bledsoe..

was too quickly annointed our next savior QB.

The organization never challenged Romo with competition for his job.

Then they gave him his big contract and that is where things got complicated.

We won only sporadically.

If we give DAK the big contract..

I can see this forum going crazy if we go 3-5 again.

DAK is going to be on a very short leash of expectation.

There will be little patience if he stumbles.

If he continues missing wide open receiver for TDs or throws balls in the ground like last year or continues to hold the ball for sacks..

and we have no backup to fall back on..

Katy bar the door.

:popcorn:

Redball Express · Apr 20, 2019

superonyx said:
You are showing your bias with making invalid points. Dak out played Aaron Rodgers in his first playoff game. The QB can’t be blamed for this loss. You diminish his achievements and exaggerate any shortcomings. This weakens your entire argument.

Also the patriots drafted Jimmy G only when they thought Brady would be retiring in the next couple of years. No one thought he would play until 50.

I am not required to post every side of a debate.

You can do a little work to validate yourself.

I have clearly stated my concerns of handing the keys to the car to DAK before he has proven he can do it.

Over to you guys.

Redball Express · Apr 20, 2019

CyberB0b said:
Romo's contract was far from obscene.

That was the main point you got out of my post?

Guess you agree with the rest.

Good.

Redball Express · Apr 20, 2019

superonyx said:
Oh now there are “preliminary “ playoff games.

You Dak hater seem to be upset he won a playoff game because that took your talking point away. So now you try to move the goal post.

You don’t have to like Dak or think he is the right QB for us.
But when you try to use these tactics to make your points you end up sounding biases or ugly just to support your bias. The problem people who don’t like Dak have is this. He has effectively eliminated most arguments you can make against him. So your stuck making stuff up.

Now we have people using a Romo’s injury history as reasons to not pay Dak.
Yikes.

I am not a DAK hater.

I am not a DAK believer yet.

Big difference.

DAK has been given an All Pro OL that is the envy of the NFL.

An All Pro RB and now an All Pro WR.

Let's see what he does this year before we backup the Brinks Truck and put on the wedding ring.

That's all.

And who brought up Romo's injuries?

Not me.

dallas72 · Apr 20, 2019

PAPPYDOG said:
Snap out of it will you as both Cousins and Mr. Garoppolo are better QB with a talent base Dak isn't even close to and I highly doubt arm wise will ever get there!
Now let's not talk about comparing Wilson to Dak really now....

Jeff George had arm talent BUT like Cousins & Jimmy G they were not leaders of men, clutch or better than Dak .
Cousins has arguably the best WR core and a good TE...and cant do anything ..Jimmy G cant even run out of bounds correctly

dallas72 · Apr 20, 2019

Redball Express said:
I am not a DAK hater.

I am not a DAK believer yet.

Big difference.

DAK has been given an All Pro OL that is the envy of the NFL.

An All Pro RB and now an All Pro WR.

Let's see what he does this year before we backup the Brinks Truck and put on the wedding ring.

That's all.

And who brought up Romo's injuries?

Not me.

I 100% agree however Dallas is gonna pay him 25 mil a year...I'd like to wait play out his contract maybe a franchise tag BUT not gonna happen So I gotta back my QB and hope he can win

JoeKing · Apr 20, 2019

Let's not forget Zeke said "Dak is a grown *** man!". This speaks of the chemistry that Dak has with this team. He is accepted by the team as their general on the offense. I would not want to tamper with that and the progress they seem to be making. 2019 should reveal a great deal about Dak. Maybe we wait to pay him until after this season.

Techsass · Apr 20, 2019

I liked Romo. I like Dak. So maybe I'm just not very QB savvy.

Anyhow he does win. A lot of that is because we keep improving the overall team each year, but we aren't winning despite of Dak's ability. He's a big part of where we are today.

The FO wants to keep him, but they don't need to get stupid about it. They'll pay him an obscene amount in our world, but he'll probably earn every penny he gets.

TwentyOne · Apr 20, 2019

Redball Express said:
We are only 3 years removed from having given Romo an obscene contract and then Dez and both contracts have just come off our books after years of killing our cap.

Both players could not live up to their contracts and won very little.

We were unable to resign players and lost players left and right and finally it all hit the fan at 6-10.

Now we are about to start the whole process again only with a QB who has had only 3 years in the NFL to prove himself as deserving in DAK.

Romo had 4 years before he became a starter then it was another 2 years before we gave him the big contract.

6 years of knowing what we had and still it blew up on us.

Here we are again looking at investing in another bargain player in Dak like Romo was and it took 10 years to move on from it.

I just really think this franchise has lost its mind if they jump off the deep end with DAK.

And I like him but he has some skill sets still absent.

Before taking another poison pill contract in the hopes of succeeding..

let DAK win something more than a preliminary playoff game.

He does not have to be re-signed yet.

He has another year on his deal.

So what if it costs more to sign him later.?

If that happens and he wins..

we pay him or not.

If not..we are not going to have a problem taking his money and signing a QB in FA that can help us or if we were really wise..

draft another DAK and start getting him ready going forward now.

We could use our #2 pick and draft somebody and let Rush and White go.

Either way we win.

This is what the Patriots would do.

They draft a Garofalo and when they knew Brady was going to be staying..

they traded him.

But they did not get into a crisis over a single player.

Just for once I would like to play with a winning hand.

I know some here will think this is crazy..but not to me.

If this all goes to Hades and Garrett gets fired after this year..

at least the new coach will not be saddled with a hopeless salary cap situation to start over with.

Slow it down Stephen, Jerry and company.

Take your time.

Comments?

Good post Red. And i share your opinion.

But the way i interpret SJs way is that he talks alot but is not someone who makes fast decissions. He talks this and also that. Thats maybe to make players happy (we want to sign our guys, we will sign Zeke... etc...) but then when you look at how he handles the deals (Dlaw) its "not that fast guys".

So today even if the media says we are already in talks with Dak i dont see a contract here right now. So i dont panic.

Still i hope they will invest more into the QB position. One of the biggest mistakes this franchise cant seem to solve. The QB is the most important and most costly position. I dont understand why they dont try to create competition there. It would be the best investement of resources (see New England).

Pantone282C · Apr 20, 2019

kskboys said:
Cooper Rush does not possess NFL talent.

No, he doesn't.

Silly · Apr 20, 2019

aria said:
What does Dak’s contract have to do with winning anything? Last time I checked there were 11 other players on each side of the ball that have something to say about that. Dak didn’t lose the Rams game, the defense did. Dak didn’t lose the Packers game, the defense did against one of the best QB’s to play the game. I don’t see how whether the Cowboys win anything or not this year should have any bearing on his contract. If that was the case with Romo we would have never even given him an extension.

It is head scratching. The defense blew 2 playoff games & the DC is still in place and they don't want to do anything to fix the interior DL. I think it will be a struggle for Dallas to win in the playoffs unless they get lucky.

aria · Apr 20, 2019

Redball Express said:
I understand.

But winning is the bottom line.

Romo, as much as I liked him over Bledsoe..

was too quickly annointed our next savior QB.

The organization never challenged Romo with competition for his job.

Then they gave him his big contract and that is where things got complicated.

We won only sporadically.

If we give DAK the big contract..

I can see this forum going crazy if we go 3-5 again.

DAK is going to be on a very short leash of expectation.

There will be little patience if he stumbles.

If he continues missing wide open receiver for TDs or throws balls in the ground like last year or continues to hold the ball for sacks..

and we have no backup to fall back on..

Katy bar the door.

Every QB is going to miss wide open receivers and make mistakes. He hasn’t been perfect and no qb is but so far I can’t think of any games that we lost primarily to him. He certainly did enough to get us to 3 playoff games in 3 years and none of those losses were due to him.

I really don’t understand what you want or why his salary should have a direct correlation to how much we win when none of the losses have been due to him for the most part.

There’s tons of other QB’s in the league that are much worse and some that are better. A lot of the ones that are better or considered great didn’t win 3 playoff games in their first three years let alone a conference championship or Super Bowl. Yeah, they eventually got there but never would have if their FO had the same theory as you and didn’t re sign them because they only won a playoff game, or none, in their first 3-4 years.

lk8701 · Apr 20, 2019

I would trade for Josh Rosen.

beware_d-ware · Apr 20, 2019

lk8701 said:
I would trade for Josh Rosen.

It sounds like a crazy troll post, but I might do it as well.

There is nothing more valuable in the NFL than a stud quarterback on a rookie contract, and Rosen has 3 cheap years left on his deal. He was my QB1 last year, and I think he could do some serious damage if he had an OL that gave him time to throw. If Garrett and co want a structure-friendly pocket passer, Rosen's your guy.

I know I have long said that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, but I am pretty ambivalent about Dak's future, and on the flip side I think Rosen's going to be the real deal.

superonyx · Apr 20, 2019

Redball Express said:
I am not a DAK hater.

I am not a DAK believer yet.

Big difference.

DAK has been given an All Pro OL that is the envy of the NFL.

An All Pro RB and now an All Pro WR.

Let's see what he does this year before we backup the Brinks Truck and put on the wedding ring.

That's all.

And who brought up Romo's injuries?

Not me.

So why did it not pay off paying Romo? Did he suddenly become a horrible QB? Or was it injuries? Hmm....I wonder.

RodeoJake · Apr 20, 2019

Dak needs to show he can be good from start to finish in games. First drive he plays like a world beater. After that, he struggles until the 4th quarter. I don't expect lights out every drive, but I want him to put together good drives in the 2nd and 3rd quarters on a consistent basis.

He is a very good leader and the team rallies around him, the all important 'it' factor. It's in other areas he needs to improve and he has been.

At this point in his development, I'd keep the guaranteed money to a minimum. Foolish acts of other teams shouldn't affect what we do with Dak.

How have we gotten to this again?

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