How have we gotten to this again?

superonyx · Apr 20, 2019

Redball Express said:
I am not required to post every side of a debate.

You can do a little work to validate yourself.

I have clearly stated my concerns of handing the keys to the car to DAK before he has proven he can do it.

Over to you guys.

And I am not required to ignore your obvious and weak efffort to ignore facts while replacing them with your fiction.

Next time stick to facts if you are so offended and afraid to be challenged.

GenoT · Apr 20, 2019

superonyx said:
And I am not required to ignore your obvious and weak efffort to ignore facts while replacing them with your fiction.

Next time stick to facts if you are so offended and afraid to be challenged.

Obviously, the OP prefers fantasized agenda > facts.

lk8701 · Apr 20, 2019

beware_d-ware said:
It sounds like a crazy troll post, but I might do it as well.

There is nothing more valuable in the NFL than a stud quarterback on a rookie contract, and Rosen has 3 cheap years left on his deal. He was my QB1 last year, and I think he could do some serious damage if he had an OL that gave him time to throw. If Garrett and co want a structure-friendly pocket passer, Rosen's your guy.

I know I have long said that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, but I am pretty ambivalent about Dak's future, and on the flip side I think Rosen's going to be the real deal.

Chosen Rosen would light it up with a healthy Cowboys o-line, Zeke, Amari, Cobb, and Gallup. Rosen reminds me of Troy Aikman.

Hawkeye0202 · Apr 20, 2019

America's Cowboy said:

Idgit · Apr 20, 2019

QBs get paid. And I want to be on record that the notion we were handicapped as a team by paying Romo what he was worth is absurd. The cap did not keep the 2007 or 2014 teams from making a deeper playoff run. Cutting corners on defense when we didn’t have to stopped us in 2014. 2007 we were so close. We got edged by a hotter team and a bad grounding call.

kskboys · Apr 20, 2019

lk8701 said:
Chosen Rosen would light it up with a healthy Cowboys o-line, Zeke, Amari, Cobb, and Gallup. Rosen reminds me of Troy Aikman.

He really doesn't.

kskboys · Apr 20, 2019

Idgit said:
QBs get paid. And I want to be on record that the notion we were handicapped as a team by paying Romo what he was worth is absurd. The cap did not keep the 2007 or 2014 teams from making a deeper playoff run. Cutting corners on defense when we didn’t have to stopped us in 2014. 2007 we were so close. We got edged by a hotter team and a bad grounding call.

Yes, and it's the opposite. Romo kept reworking his contract to help Jerry get cap relief. Romo was never overpaid.

CouchCoach · Apr 20, 2019

lk8701 said:
Chosen Rosen would light it up with a healthy Cowboys o-line, Zeke, Amari, Cobb, and Gallup. Rosen reminds me of Troy Aikman.

If they trade him, they will want a 1st rounder this year. I would have no problem with trading for him because he looked the best to me out of that whole class. He ended up with a bad team, like a lot of 1st round QB's, and now he's got a bad match with the HC that supposed to turn that mess around. If I was Rosen, I would want out. That TT offense isn't going to work in the NFL, nothing but the Run n Shoot II. The reason Mahomes, the only QB from TT that has been successful, is successful is because of his match with Reid's offense.

They would not consider trading Prescott because he's bragging rights to drafting prowess when the truth is nothing but blind luck.

Redball Express · Apr 20, 2019

JoeKing said:
Let's not forget Zeke said "Dak is a grown *** man!". This speaks of the chemistry that Dak has with this team. He is accepted by the team as their general on the offense. I would not want to tamper with that and the progress they seem to be making. 2019 should reveal a great deal about Dak. Maybe we wait to pay him until after this season.

My point exactly.

What is the freaking hurry?

The FO is trying to force a signing to save money.

But in doing so they are not being sure if DAK is fixing his issues yet.

We can wait another year and see.

Flamma · Apr 20, 2019

Redball Express said:
Romo, as much as I liked him over Bledsoe..

was too quickly annointed our next savior QB.

Dude, don't get too caught up on this stuff. I agree with your main point but I think you might be a bit off base. Romo was a very good quarterback but he didn't always have the team. Rodgers pretty much started full time in 2008 I think and he has only had 1 SB in his career, and that came when they had a top 5 defense. Winning a SB is not easy no matter what. The team around you matters a lot. So I do not think we were too quick on Romo. I do agree that we should wait a year for Dak.

MWH1967 · Apr 20, 2019

DallasDW00ds0n said:
Id love to go back to no cap!

If we did that our next championship would just be tainted with these words. "Best championship money can buy" " Jerry spent so much money a Jr College coach could have won with that group."

Beast_from_East · Apr 20, 2019

Redball Express said:
I am not required to post every side of a debate.

You can do a little work to validate yourself.

I have clearly stated my concerns of handing the keys to the car to DAK before he has proven he can do it.

Over to you guys.

Its the way the league works nowadays, QBs get paid large contracts. And most teams try to sign their QB before they hit free agency because most teams cant take a one year cap hit of $25 million or more so the franchise tag is practically useless for QBs.

And in fairness to Dak, the numbers being floated around (between $25-$29 million) is not that out of line compared to other QBs around the NFL. Grappolo in SF had three starts under his belt before he got $28 a season on a new deal. Kirk Cousins is making $28 million also with the Vikes. Neither QB has ever won a playoff game. So Dak getting around $28 million is not out of line compared with the market.

Redball Express · Apr 20, 2019

CouchCoach said:
If they trade him, they will want a 1st rounder this year. I would have no problem with trading for him because he looked the best to me out of that whole class. He ended up with a bad team, like a lot of 1st round QB's, and now he's got a bad match with the HC that supposed to turn that mess around. If I was Rosen, I would want out. That TT offense isn't going to work in the NFL, nothing but the Run n Shoot II. The reason Mahomes, the only QB from TT that has been successful, is successful is because of his match with Reid's offense.

They would not consider trading Prescott because he's bragging rights to drafting prowess when the truth is nothing but blind luck.

Blind luck.

This is true.

When you look at any real success for this franchise..

it always was with high drafted QBs..

Meredith

Morton

Staubach

Aikman

Lesser lights like White, Romo and DAK not so much.

Just saying.

Beast_from_East · Apr 20, 2019

Redball Express said:
My point exactly.

What is the freaking hurry?

The FO is trying to force a signing to save money.

But in doing so they are not being sure if DAK is fixing his issues yet.

We can wait another year and see.

There is nothing to wait and see...…………...Dak is good enough to win a SB if the rest of the team pulls their weight. No, he is never going to be Aaron Rogers, but he is good enough and that is really all you need in the NFL nowadays to win. Just have a QB that is good enough and build the team around him.

And the market says QBs that are good enough get paid $25-$28 million...………..see Grappolo, Cousins, soon to be Dak
And that market says QBs that are superstar one man teams get $30+...………….see Aaron Rogers, see Russel Wilson new deal

That is just the economics of the league, doesn't matter if you like it or not, that is the way it is.

Redball Express · Apr 20, 2019

Beast_from_East said:
Its the way the league works nowadays, QBs get paid large contracts. And most teams try to sign their QB before they hit free agency because most teams cant take a one year cap hit of $25 million or more so the franchise tag is practically useless for QBs.

And in fairness to Dak, the numbers being floated around (between $25-$29 million) is not that out of line compared to other QBs around the NFL. Grappolo in SF had three starts under his belt before he got $28 a season on a new deal. Kirk Cousins is making $28 million also with the Vikes. Neither QB has ever won a playoff game. So Dak getting around $28 million is not out of line compared with the market.

I guess when I think about DAK on another team..

without Zeke or the OL..

he is merely an average QB.

So that gives me a yellow light paying him and signing him too long.

Redball Express · Apr 20, 2019

superonyx said:
And I am not required to ignore your obvious and weak efffort to ignore facts while replacing them with your fiction.

Next time stick to facts if you are so offended and afraid to be challenged.

Touchy?

Fiction?

Afraid to be 'challenged?

Because I do not feel compelled to post like you want me to?

Oh my..

you are new to social media, huh?

:laugh:

gjkoeppen · Apr 20, 2019

bsbellomy said:
Problem is we've let Dak create all the leverage. If it were me I'd either trade a 2 or 3 for Rosen or try and trade our 2 for a 1 next year to gear up to get in the top 10 next year. As long as we lack a backup plan it's carte Blanche to bend them over and he knows it.

First off the Cards aren't going to trade the 10th pick in last year's draft for a 2nd or 3rd rnd pick. That's just fan wannabe GM talk. Second counting the 4th rnd pick used to get Prescott you now say use another pick that the cards wouldn't accept to get a QB who in 13 starts threw more picks - 14 than TD's - 11 and a passer rating of 66.7 as a rookie yet Prescott numbers were TD's - 23, picks - 4, passer rating 104.9 and a Pro Bowl appearance as a rookie. Third, more fan wannabe GM thinking that a team will give up their #1 for a 2nd rnd pick, only in fairy tales. Lastly the only way a team get's into the top in the draft is by having a very bad record or by trading away one or more of the teams best players for that pick and then they will do poorly and be in the top 10 anyways. I'm so glad you actually have nothing to do with the Cowboys front office.
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Captain43Crash · Apr 20, 2019

bsbellomy said:
Why is it Dak or Cooper Rush?

It’s not! Really. I have always been a big Dak supporter, but like most of us I see flaws in his game. Let him play out this season and see how he does, then pay him if he earns it.

I was disappointed in his playoff performance vs the Rams. I thought our game plan sucked as usual and didn’t help Dak succeed, but there were plays to be made, especially in the 4th quarter, and Dak did not make them.

DallasDW00ds0n · Apr 20, 2019

MWH1967 said:
If we did that our next championship would just be tainted with these words. "Best championship money can buy" " Jerry spent so much money a Jr College coach could have won with that group."

Id rather that than die without watching us win #6.

gjkoeppen · Apr 20, 2019

Redball Express said:
I guess I do not understand your comment.

You mean just rushing ahead without validation is OK?

We have seen DAK in two playoff games where his play could not get the win..Packers and Rams.

We have seen during Zeke's suspension that DAK was not good enough to succeed on his play alone.

Coach Eric Mangini in an interview on First Things First a few months back said about DAK that a player like him that requires constantly adding high price players around him to win is a caution.

He said a lot of other things about us that are very true.

At some point DAK has to prove he is the difference maker..

not a expensive complimentary piece.

That is the nature of the position at the highest levels.

We have to be careful.

So say a QB like Drew Brees who it took him until his TENTH season before winning a Super Bowl should have been winning them every year or gone to more just because the Saints had him? Last time I checked there's 11 players on offense and 11 players on defense and 11 players on special teams that All have to do their jobs for teams to succeed, not just the QB. Speaking of the other players how about Prescott's 2nd season when Bryant LEAD THE LEAGUE IN DROPS. as far as the Rams game in the playoffs last season Prescott didn't lose that game the defense did allowing TWO Ram RB's to rush for OVER 100 yards EACH. Again it was the defense that lost the Packers game not Prescott. Also so now Eric Mangini is the be all end all expert? The same guy as a head coach who has a losing record? Stop the presses, Eric Mangini has spoken.
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