Projected Contract for Dak - 6 years, $171M with $45M SB, and $90M Guaranteed

Jumbo075 said:

The going rate was set a year ago when Cousins and Garappolo signed contracts for $27M and $27.5M per season. Both of them haven't accomplised as much as Dak has in his career. Add a year of inflation, and $28.5M per season is a reasonable figure for an unproven young QB. I'm not saying I like it. I'm saying that $28.5M per season is the market rate.

The Cowboys are going to have to commit to Dak for at least 3 more seasons. They don't have a plan B right now. And the longer they wait to lock him up long term, the higher the price is going to be.

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Fans that continue to use Cousins contract as some kind of measuring stick don't understand what every GM in the league knows. The skins tagged him TWO years in a row which artificially drove his salary to what it is. The skins were reluctant to sign him to a long term contact and that indecision put him at a contract level he didn't really earn.
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Hadenough said:

I cant believe Dak would ask for Rodgers type money. I would guess Dak is asking for 30 mil and the Cowboys are talking 23-24 mil.

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Chance are your right and I think they land somewhere in between. I would also would not doubt that if certain things are met that it would allow for renegotiation

CyberB0b said:

You act like it's easy to just draft a quality QB in this league.

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It's not easy, but this doesn't excuse sticking with mediocrity. Draft better and you get your guy.

mattjames2010 said:

It's not easy, but this doesn't excuse sticking with mediocrity. Draft better and you get your guy.

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So what guy are we getting with our 2nd round this year? What QB should we have drafted at 19 last year instead of LVE?

ABQCOWBOY said:

I don't think it's easy, but I do think it's getting easier.

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Really? There's maybe 1 great QB and maybe 2-3 mediocre QBs in every draft. Everyone else is basically a bum or backup.

Jumbo075 said:

When the top QB's are making $45M per season, and Dak is still being paid $23M salary, it will seem like a huge bargain, and no one will be thinking that Dak is being paid like an "elite" QB.

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Not only are you completely guessing on this season, now you're taking it another step and guessing THREE years down the road. Here's something for you to think about. At some point in the next 2 - 3 years teams will find out that by continuing to escalate QB's contracts at the same rate as the past couple of years, they realize that they don't have the money to put a good enough team around those QB's to win anything and all it will take is the first GM to realize this and start the trend to hold back on those QB contracts. Here's a little history lesson for you. There was a time when another position's contracts were escalating at the rate QB's are now and were the 2nd highest paid position behind the QB. Then teams found out that it hurt them to get other quality players so the contracts for that position started to level off and then even started to drop some. That position was RB. They found out that like QB's there are only so many that are really good and have long careers so they started to sign 2nd contracts that were more team friendly or just let their RB go and draft another and most teams got one as good as who they let walk. Yes there are always a small handful that buck the average RB life span and keep producing, but not enough for every team to keep over paying for them. Prime example - the Cowboys let Murry walk and drafted Elliott.
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CyberB0b said:

So what guy are we getting with our 2nd round this year? What QB should we have drafted at 19 last year instead of LVE?.

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Nobody said doing it this year. And how did Rams and Eagles get their franchise QBs? They didn't sit still in the draft.

Again, maybe it doesn't happen next year or the year after that - but giving out a huge contract for mediocrity is not justifiable because drafting a franchise QB is "hard". The game of football, in general, is hard. You don't settle on mediocrity - and if you truly believe you don't have your franchise QB, there is no way in hell you should be giving out a long contract.

mattjames2010 said:

It's not easy, but this doesn't excuse sticking with mediocrity. Draft better and you get your guy.

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There's a long list of QB's who were drafted after the 3rd rnd who at least went to Super Bowls or have won Super Bowls. There's even a undrafted QB to win a Super Bowl - Kurt Warner.
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gjkoeppen said:

There's a long list of QB's who were drafted after the 3rd rnd who at least went to Super Bowls or have won Super Bowls. There's even a undrafted QB to win a Super Bowl - Kurt Warner.
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Except those guys all turned out to be better than mediocre - Kurt Warner is in the HOF, Russell Wilson is one of the best QBs in the league. Dak is not that, he's middling during his best of times.

If you find a gem later in the draft, that's great. But the trend is, if you want to win a Super Bowl it's almost always going to come from a first or second round QB.

mattjames2010 said:

Except those guys all turned out to be better than mediocre - Kurt Warner is in the HOF, Russell Wilson is one of the best QBs in the league. Dak is not that, he's middling during his best of times.

If you find a gem later in the draft, that's great. But the trend is, if you want to win a Super Bowl it's almost always going to come from a first or second round QB.

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Oh so 10TH ROUND Roger Staubach, 6TH ROUND Tom Brady or even going back to Super Bowl I with 13TH ROUND Bart Starr all shouldn't have won Super Bowls because they weren't drafted in the first 2 rounds. You like many here are trying to compare Prescott with all of 3 seasons under his belt to QB's who have a career under their belt. Ya that's realistic. Also for a QB you have such little hope for how is it that as a rookie besides being the NFL rookie of the year he also set a NFL record of the fewest picks of ANY rookie QB EVER in the NFL and is 2nd on the list of ALL QB's with at least 12 starts (he started 16 regular season games) with the fewest picks for a season. And yet you've already proclaimed that Prescott has absolutely no chance of getting to a Super Bowl or some day the HOF. I wish I had your crystal ball.
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CyberB0b said:

So what guy are we getting with our 2nd round this year? What QB should we have drafted at 19 last year instead of LVE?



Really? There's maybe 1 great QB and maybe 2-3 mediocre QBs in every draft. Everyone else is basically a bum or backup.

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We don't have to get a QB this year. Dak is under contract this year.

This is funny to me. You do realize that the Cowboys have had a starting QB for the past 14 years that has cost us no more then a 4th round pick yes?

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Oh so 10TH ROUND Roger Staubach, 6TH ROUND Tom Brady or even going back to Super Bowl I with 13TH ROUND Bart Starr all shouldn't have won Super Bowls because they weren't drafted in the first 2 rounds. You like many here are trying to compare Prescott with all of 3 seasons under his belt to QB's who have a career under their belt. Ya that's realistic. Also for a QB you have such little hope for how is it that as a rookie besides being the NFL rookie of the year he also set a NFL record of the fewest picks of ANY rookie QB EVER in the NFL and is 2nd on the list of ALL QB's with at least 12 starts (he started 16 regular season games) with the fewest picks for a season. And yet you've already proclaimed that Prescott has absolutely no chance of getting to a Super Bowl or some day the HOF. I wish I had your crystal ball.
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Where in my comment did I state it has never happened? You're pointing out outliers.

Tom Brady and Bill have dominated like something we've never seen, do you want to point out the QBs that have won between all those? I'll do it for you

Peyton Manning (first round pick)
Eli Manning (first round pick)
Aaron Rodgers (first round pick)
Joe Flacco (second round pick)
Russel Wilson (third round pick)
Nick Foles (third round pick)
Big Ben (first round pick)

I could add in someone like Trent Dilfer who was a first round pick, but we all know he sucked and a historic D got him to the Super Bowl along with Brad Johnson.

But even going further back

Jim Plunkett first pick in the draft
Bobe Griese first round pick
John Elway first round pick
Joe Montana third round pick
Brett Favre second round pick

The list goes on and on. Obviously, you're going to have a Brady, Young, and Warner every now and then but they are not the norm. Nobody is knocking Dak for where he was taken, w are knocking Dak that we took him in the 4th round, he's had 3 years starting, and we have more of a glimpse at what he's going to be. He's mediocre at his best. It is what it is. If you're okay with giving a long and pricey contract to that, like the Jones, I don't want to hear how much better anyone on here is to the Jones family when things blow up.

gjkoeppen said:

Fans that continue to use Cousins contract as some kind of measuring stick don't understand what every GM in the league knows. The skins tagged him TWO years in a row which artificially drove his salary to what it is. The skins were reluctant to sign him to a long term contact and that indecision put him at a contract level he didn't really earn.
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One thing every GM knows that you don't, Cousins got his contract due to the QB free agent market not the fact that he was franchised twice which has absolutely zero implications on contracts.

ABQCOWBOY said:

We don't have to get a QB this year. Dak is under contract this year.

This is funny to me. You do realize that the Cowboys have had a starting QB for the past 14 years that has cost us no more then a 4th round pick yes?

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mattjames2010 said:

Nobody said doing it this year. And how did Rams and Eagles get their franchise QBs? They didn't sit still in the draft.

Again, maybe it doesn't happen next year or the year after that - but giving out a huge contract for mediocrity is not justifiable because drafting a franchise QB is "hard". The game of football, in general, is hard. You don't settle on mediocrity - and if you truly believe you don't have your franchise QB, there is no way in hell you should be giving out a long contract.

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So to be clear, the plan is to let Dak's contract expire, then trade multiple future picks to move up in the draft to maybe get a franchise caliber QB? In the meanwhile, we have really no one capable of playing NFL football behind Dak. @mattjames2010 do you really think Wentz's production has warranted what they gave up to get him?

CyberB0b said:

So to be clear, the plan is to let Dak's contract expire, then trade multiple future picks to move up in the draft to maybe get a franchise caliber QB? In the meanwhile, we have really no one capable of playing NFL football behind Dak. @mattjames2010 do you really think Wentz's production has warranted what they gave up to get him?

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First, I don't know if you were posting this for me but you included my post so I assuem you were. I don't know who's plan that is. I don't think it's the teams plan but it could be somebodies. Me, I don't have a plan because I don't hold his contract.

I don't think that you really want to know what I think about your post Bob.

ABQCOWBOY said:

No. They players because they don't have the cap to keep them. Heck, we've seen that happen with this team.

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like who?

Mike White is better

mattjames2010 said:

Where in my comment did I state it has never happened? You're pointing out outliers.

Tom Brady and Bill have dominated like something we've never seen, do you want to point out the QBs that have won between all those? I'll do it for you

Peyton Manning (first round pick)
Eli Manning (first round pick)
Aaron Rodgers (first round pick)
Joe Flacco (second round pick)
Russel Wilson (third round pick)
Nick Foles (third round pick)
Big Ben (first round pick)

I could add in someone like Trent Dilfer who was a first round pick, but we all know he sucked and a historic D got him to the Super Bowl along with Brad Johnson.

But even going further back

Jim Plunkett first pick in the draft
Bobe Griese first round pick
John Elway first round pick
Joe Montana third round pick
Brett Favre second round pick

The list goes on and on. Obviously, you're going to have a Brady, Young, and Warner every now and then but they are not the norm. Nobody is knocking Dak for where he was taken, w are knocking Dak that we took him in the 4th round, he's had 3 years starting, and we have more of a glimpse at what he's going to be. He's mediocre at his best. It is what it is. If you're okay with giving a long and pricey contract to that, like the Jones, I don't want to hear how much better anyone on here is to the Jones family when things blow up.

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So lets take a little closer look at what you're saying a mediocre QB. Great rookie season which has been covered many times now. His 2nd season his #1 receiver LEAD the league in drops, Beasley who had been a sure handed receiver had more drops in 2017 than he had the TWO previous seasons. Now lets take a look at something else. The O-line. There was a 40% change in the starters for all the 2017season and 60% for part of the season. That's a big difference from what was considered the best line in the league in 2016 his rookie season. Last season when he finally got a #1 receiver that caught the ball things got better. Late in the season when the Cowboys needed the last 2 weeks of the regular season to secure the division title and get into the playoffs Prescott lead game winning TD drives in the final minutes to win both games and then did that again in the 1st playoff game against the sea hawks scoring the winning TD with just 17 seconds left in the game. But he's just a mediocre QB so how could he have done that? Unlike many "fans" here I realize that it take a heck of a lot more than just a QB to win Super Bowls, it takes everyone doing their jobs.
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QuincyCarterEra said:

One thing every GM knows that you don't, Cousins got his contract due to the QB free agent market not the fact that he was franchised twice which has absolutely zero implications on contracts.

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It's obvious that you are clueless on how being tagged affects a players future contracts. Here's contract/cap 101. A player gets tagged so that means that the player gets the average of the top five players in the league at his position. Now Cousins was tagged after the 2015 season yet he wasn't even close to the top five in playing but he got paid like he was. Then the natural increases of the good QB's that got raises after the 2016 season help Cousins again by raising the average of the top 5 QB's again and low and behold Cousins got even more money after being tagged a 2nd time and again not anywhere close to the top 5 QB's in his playing.. So Cousins got a a massive completely guaranteed contract because his salary was artificially raised because of being tagged. I will say along with many others who have said that the vikings made a hige mistake in signing Cousins to that contract but that doesn't change the fact of how or why being tagged greatly affects future contracts. This is so very simple to understand.
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Floatyworm said:

Mike White is better

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Have you ever heard that the fans love the backup QB until he becomes the starter and isn't the QB they thought he was. Very few backup QB's, that were highly touted coming out of college and the plan was for then to sit a year and learn, become big time QB's.
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gjkoeppen said:

Fans that continue to use Cousins contract as some kind of measuring stick don't understand what every GM in the league knows. The skins tagged him TWO years in a row which artificially drove his salary to what it is. The skins were reluctant to sign him to a long term contact and that indecision put him at a contract level he didn't really earn.
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Cousins is good. Maybe they're using his contract as a measuring stick because he's good.