NBC Sports-Dallas Cowboy rumors aren't going away for Sean Payton-PFT

Diehardblues · Apr 24, 2019

stasheroo said:
I don't think Payton would demand anything more than what Garrett already has. Read up on Payton's relationship with Jerry. They're very close. Payton knows who Jerry is. He won't be surprised by anything. And again, look at Payton's track record. He wants to coach his quarterback and his offense, he doesn't care about much after that.

I understand but Jerry’s more concerned about the perception. If Payton came in and had instant success the media and fans would most certainly credit Payton.

Diehardblues · Apr 24, 2019

stasheroo said:
Not "any" burden. But unlike you, not "all burden".

I’m not placing all the burden but it is on Jerry the Circus atmosphere we have including front office and coaching staff so there certainly lies a certain core of the cause . Or root of the evil as I like to narrate.

If you believe it’s our coaching staff that’s preventing us from more success then you have to begin pointing at who’s responsible for making the coaching decisions.

Jerry’s not on the field so there is some burden once the ball kicks off to others. Including coaching and player performance.

Fire407 · Apr 24, 2019

OmerV said:
And that's still 13 years ago, and even if that team was as good as this one, that isn't the question isn't about where it peaked, it's sustaining and building from it. The current Cowboys were built on a steadfast focus on good drafts and salary cap management, and that focus doesn't seem to be wavering. I don't know if it's enough to get them to the promised land - I tend to think they may have gone a bit too conservative with how they look at outside free agents - but it doesn't seem likely to crash like it did at the end of Phillips stint as head coach. QB is still the vulnerable spot to me though, and although I'm not all in on Dak, I think the team still would take a big hit if it had to rely on Rush or White.

I think the team crashed and tanked worse in 2015 than it ever did under Phillips. Not being prepared enough to at least win 3 or 4 games after Romo went down is inexcusable, but the narrative is that team never quits on Garrett like it did on Phillips. The team has often quit under Garrett. Just look at the Colts game last season.

Diehardblues · Apr 24, 2019

OmerV said:
Sometimes it's just a matter of the more you are at the dance, the more opportunity you have to advance in the competition. I don't disagree that we have had some good teams in the past, but we haven't sustained or built beyond it to improve our chances. Obviously we can't know for certain how it far it will go this time, but again, the approach that has built what we have has been consistent, and we are winning the division and getting to the division round of the playoffs with more regularity than at any times since the early to mid 1990's. That at least points in a good direction.

I’d agree with that on most points. I’m actually pleased with how the teams developed in last few years. We have a fairly consistent division contender and less than elite playoff team . Not bad for the dysfunctional organization the football idiot has created.

But when I look around at some of the other teams ahead of us, I see more than coaching concerns.

Diehardblues · Apr 24, 2019

Fire407 said:
I think the team crashed and tanked worse in 2015 than it ever did under Phillips. Not being prepared enough to at least win 3 or 4 games after Romo went down is inexcusable, but the narrative is that team never quits on Garrett like it did on Phillips. The team has often quit under Garrett. Just look at the Colts game last season.

Yes but they didn’t quit for a stretch of games like they did under Wade. And remember Wade is only HC that had a losing record in a season when Romo was starting. 1-5 which is the most disturbing stat IMO.

Fire407 · Apr 24, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Yes but they didn’t quit for a stretch of games like they did under Wade. And remember Wade is only HC that had a losing record in a season when Romo was starting. 1-5 which is the most disturbing stat IMO.

I blame that on Wade's OC more than Wade.

TwoDeep3 · Apr 24, 2019

So educate me.

Is this rumor suggesting Jones fires Carrot Top before the season?

Doesn't Sean Payton call his own plays? Then what is Moore's function if Payton comes to Dallas?

As a side note I wonder what Moore's function is even if Payton doesn't come to Dallas. Can anyone illustrate what Moore has done to accrue the accolades gushed upon him by posters here and especially Jerry?

Other than the aspect he may be a young and upcoming coach that Jerry desires, even though Moore may not be old enough to buy a beer as yet.

Regardless of the people making the comments that Payton hasn't won but one Super Bowl with Brees under center - strawman argument, it's a team sport.

Payton brings leadership that isn't built on a highly skilled and talented ability to clap his hands. But he would demand being in charge, and as all of us know who have paid even a modicum of attention to this team since St. Jimmy left - - Jerry don't play that shiznizzle!

Jerry is more the type to appreciate a sock puppet. There is a rumor that nine out of ten proctologists contacted agree that Jerry's puppet hand fits snuggly in regard to The Redheaded Arranger.

I call bull nuggets on Payton to the Cowboys and remind everyone there was a contingency that was cock sure Earl Thomas was coming to Dallas.

I was among that group, by the by.

Diehardblues · Apr 24, 2019

Fire407 said:
I blame that on Wade's OC more than Wade.

Of course . That’s normal protocol to blame OC for team collapses. Lol

And in this case it was the same one who went 5-3 after the 1-7 collapse. Perfect sense if of course you believed he sabotaged the team to get the job he had already been deemed to get. Amazing powers Garrett has. Lol

OmerV · Apr 24, 2019

Fire407 said:
I think the team crashed and tanked worse in 2015 than it ever did under Phillips. Not being prepared enough to at least win 3 or 4 games after Romo went down is inexcusable, but the narrative is that team never quits on Garrett like it did on Phillips. The team has often quit under Garrett. Just look at the Colts game last season.

I think it would be hard to say whether the crash in }Phillips last season or 2015 was worse, but I don't disagree with that 2015 was horrible year. But it was an anomaly in an otherwise successful 5 year run, and doesn't change the fact the Cowboys have built with a consistent draft and free agent philosophy. I will say, however, the Cowboys better beware of the lesson of that season and make sure they always have a capable backup QB. I'm not convinced Rush or White is that guy.

tyke1doe · Apr 24, 2019

Fire407 said:
I don't think Garrett will get fired if the Cowboys make the playoffs. However, I wouldn't mind if this time next year we were talking about the new head coach. Personally, I think anyone would be better than Garrett, but Sean Payton would give me real hope for this team.

Just making the playoffs isn't good enough. He has to get to an NFC Championship Game at the least.

Fire407 · Apr 24, 2019

tyke1doe said:
Just making the playoffs isn't good enough. He has to get to an NFC Championship Game at the least.

Isn't that what people said on here last year--yet he's still here.

Fletch · Apr 24, 2019

Corso said:
Whatevs.
Whatever happens, happens.
I'll still be around to annoy and enjoy.

Load your bowl and enjoy the ride, compadre!

Corso · Apr 24, 2019

Fletch said:
Load your bowl and enjoy the ride, compadre!

I don't smoke daily and I'm semi-working...
Okay. Bowl about to be filled!

Music about to get louder.

tyke1doe · Apr 24, 2019

Fire407 said:
Isn't that what people said on here last year--yet he's still here.

Every year is a new year. But I think last year was when Jerry started to make cryptic/negative comments about Garrett. So this year might very well be the SHOW ME year for the Red Head Wonderboy.

CT Dal Fan · Apr 24, 2019

Diehardblues said:
I understand but Jerry’s more concerned about the perception. If Payton came in and had instant success the media and fans would most certainly credit Payton.

Or, Jerry could take credit for hiring Payton. It could work out that why in his mind, too.

Big_D · Apr 24, 2019

Garrett's just as good. LOL {/end sarcasm}

Please make this happen. I'm hoping someday management might actually want to win! But who knows with them? can we trade for him on draft day?

Diehardblues · Apr 24, 2019

CT Dal Fan said:
Or, Jerry could take credit for hiring Payton. It could work out that why in his mind, too.

You’d hope so but it didn’t work that way with Jimmy. But you’re right. Most owners take credit for hiring the the right GM and HC.

That hasn’t seemed to be enough for our owner who’s appears intent on wearing all hats, being front and center as GM and face of the franchise. Not what I’d describe as a normal NFL situation.

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