Cowboys Should Consider Trading for Rosen

cern · Apr 25, 2019

Rockport said:
I could give a Rats *** if you listened to me. I just try to help for the good of the board which is the best out there.

Did you mean to say you couldn't give a rats...........instead of you could? I deign to be the grammar ****, but in your case I'm willing to make an exception.

WillieBeamen · Apr 25, 2019

JoeKing · Apr 25, 2019

ABQcowboyJR said:
If I were calling the shots redball would have been gone long ago.

You just earned my vote. :thumbup:

OmerV · Apr 25, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
And I disagree with you but again, this thread is not about Kingsbury. I mean, am I just not making myself clear with you or what?

You wanna talk about Rosen, OK, lets talk about Rosen. He is material to the discussion. Lets talk about him.

Rosen is not a scrambling QB. Rosen can effictively move in the pocket, he steps up well and he is able to release effectively and accurately. In our Offense, that will work. His lack of mobility is not really a problem because our OL is good enough to protect him long enough for him to deliver the football. He doesn't have to threaten the defense with the scramble because he is a good enough thrower to make them pay if he gets enough time. He just has to be able to move in the pocket and buy time and he is capable of doing that. His ability to scramble is more about not taking the punishment then it is his speed or quickness, to be honest. Dak is faster then Rosen but Rosen has better change of direction and it's his footwork. Rosen is much better, much quicker with his footwork and it shows up in his ability to change direction or shift weight. They avoid the rush differently and that's not really a disadvantage to either of them IMO.

This sounds like a prospect profile showing the strengths but not the weakness, and granted Rosen does have a reputation for great footwork, but what about all other factors? And what about results? He was not as statistically productive a Dak either in college or the pros (admittedly a small sample size in the pros), he doesn't get extra production with his legs, and his arm strength is no better than Dak's. So why invest in him if he isn't a clear and significant upgrade?

If your point is he would be a great backup, and it would be great to see if he can develop into something more than we know now, I wouldn't disagree, but that's not a stand alone point. You also have to consider cost. Do we really want to give up something significant in terms of draft picks for a player that may well end up as nothing but a backup? I love the idea of a young, developmental QB and a strong backup, but a team that already has a young starter who is winning and productive while he matures looks for that in middle rounds, not at the top of the draft, nor do they trade away a top draft pick for it. That's my biggest issue with it. If we could trade away a 3rd or 4th round pick for Rosen I would be all for it, or maybe even a 3rd and a 4th spread over 2 drafts, but I think the asking price for a guy one year removed from being the #10 overall pick would be much higher than that.

Mr_Strol · Apr 25, 2019

ItzKelz said:
If Rosen was good this might be a good question.

How would Dak have done in Arizona last year?

PJTHEDOORS · Apr 25, 2019

Mr_Strol said:
How would Dak have done in Arizona last year?

How would any qb.

ABQCOWBOY · Apr 25, 2019

OmerV said:
This sounds like a prospect profile showing the strengths but not the weakness, and granted Rosen does have a reputation for great footwork, but what about all other factors? And what about results? He was not as statistically productive a Dak either in college or the pros (admittedly a small sample size in the pros), he doesn't get extra production with his legs, and his arm strength is no better than Dak's. So why invest in him if he isn't a clear and significant upgrade?

If your point is he would be a great backup, and it would be great to see if he can develop into something more than we know now, I wouldn't disagree, but that's not a stand alone point. You also have to consider cost. Do we really want to give up something significant in terms of draft picks for a player that may well end up as nothing but a backup? I love the idea of a young, developmental QB and a strong backup, but a team that already has a young starter who is winning and productive while he matures looks for that in middle rounds, not at the top of the draft, nor do they trade away a top draft pick for it. That's my biggest issue with it. If we could trade away a 3rd or 4th round pick for Rosen I would be all for it, or maybe even a 3rd and a 4th spread over 2 drafts, but I think the asking price for a guy one year removed from being the #10 overall pick would be much higher than that.

To be honest, I think his "Weakness" have been talked to death but I mean, we can discuss those too. I will be honest when I say that I don't believe we will get much out of that because nobody was going to do well in Arizona last year. There just was not a great deal to work with on that team and then you throw in a Rookie and they are lucky they didn't ruin him.

Couple of honest questions here. Did you watch Rosen at UCLA and have you actually read this thread, or are you only reacting to what you post and I respond to? I don't think we can go any further along until we understand those two questions.

ABQCOWBOY · Apr 25, 2019

ABQcowboyJR said:
If I were calling the shots redball would have been gone long ago.

Hey Son, I see you got your router issues fixed. Good job!

OmerV · Apr 25, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
To be honest, I think his "Weakness" have been talked to death but I mean, we can discuss those too. I will be honest when I say that I don't believe we will get much out of that because nobody was going to do well in Arizona last year. There just was not a great deal to work with on that team and then you throw in a Rookie and they are lucky they didn't ruin him.

Couple of honest questions here. Did you watch Rosen at UCLA and have you actually read this thread, or are you only reacting to what you post and I respond to? I don't think we can go any further along until we understand those two questions.

I watched him play in college, but I wasn't an avid UCLA fan who watched him play week in and week out. So to supplement what I watched, I also looked at stats and team records and prospect reviews, all of which indicates both positives and negatives as one would expect with any player. Obviously scouts saw something for him to be drafted as high as he was, but the point is, as things sit today, the production and team records don't back up #10 overall, and they don't point to anything clearly even as good as Dak much less significantly above and beyond Dak. Nor do his physical traits.

As for last year, I don't disagree that it wasn't an ideal opportunity for Rosen to shine, but at some point you actually have to see him shine if you are going to commit significant resources to him even though you already have a young QB that has been better.

Rockport · Apr 25, 2019

cern said:
You claim to have no patience for it yet exhibit an overwhelming propensity for it. Curious.

How so?

ABQCOWBOY · Apr 25, 2019

OmerV said:
I watched him play in college, but I wasn't an avid UCLA fan who watched him play week in and week out. So to supplement what I watched, I also looked at stats and team records and prospect reviews, all of which indicates both positives and negatives as one would expect with any player. Obviously scouts saw something for him to be drafted as high as he was, but the point is, as things sit today, the production and team records don't back up #10 overall, and they don't point to anything clearly even as good as Dak much less significantly above and beyond Dak. Nor do his physical traits.

He was very accurate in College. This kid, once he learns the Offense, can make reads, throw on time and into small windows. He can execute the back shoulder throws and he can throw you open. His statistics, while at UCLA are skewed because he did not have a great receiving core there. Lots of drops, lots of plays left on the field because of it and some INTs that he probably should not have gotten but for the poor play of the WRs in general. He's pro style, drop back QB in the more traditional style Offense. He fits Garretts Offense IMO. So what are you basing the production statement off of? If it's off of last year, I don't think that's smart or fair. Nobody, and I mean nobody was going to post stats in Az last year. How could you, they have no Offense, to speak of. This kid was literally running for his life on almost every play. Did he play well last year, no. No question, he did not but if you are asking me if anybody could have gone to Az and played well in that Offense, the answer is again, no. Nobody could have done well there because they don't have enough developed firepower there right now. The Worst OL in the League last year. That wasn't on Rosen because Az shortened their Offense up and went to a quick short route scheme and still, they struggled protecting him so that was all on the OL, for the most part.

If you look at other situations where top QBs went to bad teams and played in their rookie seasons, the results are not really all that different, in general. It takes time to learn the NFL game and that was not something that Rosen got. Just look at Aikmans Rookie year and compare it to what we see with Rosen.

Lets put aside the discussion about is he better then Dak and whatever else, for just a second. Let me ask you this, why does he have to be? Why do you say that this kid has to be better in order for us to be interested in him? How is that even a logical way to look at this situation?

Rockport · Apr 25, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
He was very accurate in College. This kid, once he learns the Offense, can make reads, throw on time and into small windows. He can execute the back shoulder throws and he can throw you open. His statistics, while at UCLA are skewed because he did not have a great receiving core there. Lots of drops, lots of plays left on the field because of it and some INTs that he probably should not have gotten but for the poor play of the WRs in general. He's pro style, drop back QB in the more traditional style Offense. He fits Garretts Offense IMO. So what are you basing the production statement off of? If it's off of last year, I don't think that's smart or fair. Nobody, and I mean nobody was going to post stats in Az last year. How could you, they have no Offense, to speak of. This kid was literally running for his life on almost every play. Did he play well last year, no. No question, he did not but if you are asking me if anybody could have gone to Az and played well in that Offense, the answer is again, no. Nobody could have done well there because they don't have enough developed firepower there right now. The Worst OL in the League last year. That wasn't on Rosen because Az shortened their Offense up and went to a quick short route scheme and still, they struggled protecting him so that was all on the OL, for the most part.

If you look at other situations where top QBs went to bad teams and played in their rookie seasons, the results are not really all that different, in general. It takes time to learn the NFL game and that was not something that Rosen got. Just look at Aikmans Rookie year and compare it to what we see with Rosen.

Lets put aside the discussion about is he better then Dak and whatever else, for just a second. Let me ask you this, why does he have to be? Why do you say that this kid has to be better in order for us to be interested in him? How is that even a logical way to look at this situation?

He’s a cancer in the locker room. I guess you like those types. Go figure.

ABQCOWBOY · Apr 25, 2019

Rockport said:
He’s a cancer in the locker room. I guess you like those types. Go figure.

Well, I don't think thats a true statement. I mean, I don't like you much so there you go.

Rockport · Apr 25, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
Well, I don't think thats a true statement. I mean, I don't like you much so there you go.

You’re the only one who doesn’t think he’s a cancer. Check out his pre-draft scouting reports then get back to me.

ABQCOWBOY · Apr 25, 2019

Rockport said:
You’re the only one who doesn’t think he’s a cancer. Check out his pre-draft scouting reports then get back to me.

I've read his jacket. Who cares, I ask you again? You act like we are using the 10th pick on this kid in order to secure his services. He's the backup if he comes to Dallas. I mean, if you wanna religiously follow his twitter and or hang on every word he says, knock yourself out but that's not how it works. Nobody pays much attention to the Backup QB. He doesn't have to be liked. He has to be ready to run the team if he is called upon. He has to be able to execute the Offense if called upon. He has to basically be ready and I don't care if he's an AH 24x7, let his wife worry about that. He's a guy who is capable of being a good backup for us. He's a guy who, if necessary, can be the starter if developed. He's a guy who is going to cost you 1.3 mil next year, 2 Mil in 2020, 2.8 Mil in 2021. What backup with starting experience and his talent level are you going to sign for that kind of money?

Go find me a decent backup option that can bring all of that to the table and who's salary is in line with his and then we can discuss who the better Boy Scout is.

Vintage · Apr 25, 2019

Rockport said:
I totally agree. It would also be much better without the stupidity.

Well, you’re 62..... Just going to have to wait it out, I suppose. Want a cigarette?

Rockport · Apr 25, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
I've read his jacket. Who cares, I ask you again? You act like we are using the 10th pick on this kid in order to secure his services. He's the backup if he comes to Dallas. I mean, if you wanna religiously follow his twitter and or hang on every word he says, knock yourself out but that's not how it works. Nobody pays much attention to the Backup QB. He doesn't have to be liked. He has to be ready to run the team if he is called upon. He has to be able to execute the Offense if called upon. He has to basically be ready and I don't care if he's an AH 24x7, let his wife worry about that. He's a guy who is capable of being a good backup for us. He's a guy who, if necessary, can be the starter if developed. He's a guy who is going to cost you 1.3 mil next year, 2 Mil in 2020, 2.8 Mil in 2021. What backup with starting experience and his talent level are you going to sign for that kind of money?

Go find me a decent backup option that can bring all of that to the table and who's salary is in line with his and then we can discuss who the better Boy Scout is.

Doesn’t matter if he’s the 1st pick or pick 200 he’s in the locker room hanging out spreading his hate. Kinda like you do.

Rockport · Apr 25, 2019

Vintage said:
Well, you’re 62..... Just going to have to wait it out, I suppose. Want a cigarette?

Don’t smoke. My brother does and he’s got about 2 months left. Going to see him tomorrow. If you do smoke, quit. It’s a horrible way to go.

Chuck 54 · Apr 25, 2019

No one ever said Rosen was a cancer.
They said that he was so intelligent that it made him aloof because he couldn’t connect well with teammates.

Not saying that’s a good thing....they were just saying he was very smart and very unique, not hard to get along with, just hard to get close to.

That said, I’m not trading anything for a QB. We have one.

OldJarhead · Apr 25, 2019

Chuck 54 said:
No one ever said Rosen was a cancer.
They said that he was so intelligent that it made him aloof because he couldn’t connect well with teammates.

Not saying that’s a good thing....they were just saying he was very smart and very unique, not hard to get along with, just hard to get close to.

That said, I’m not trading anything for a QB. We have one.

We have a football player at the QB position, not a QB. There's a big difference there.

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