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It's not even close frederick pick. I believe fredbeard was the best center that draft and we got lucky. Fredbeard was a consensus first round top of the 2nd safe pick. No injury or character concerns
I didn't mean to compare Travis Frederick the player to Trysten Hill, Fred was a much safer selection.

I was talking about the situation.

In 2013, walk in starter OL prospects on Dallas' board were all selected except Frederick when they got on the clock again at #31. So, if was take Fred or fail to address the need.

This year, it was take Hill at #58 or risk not being able to get an impact 3Tech.
 

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I didn't mean to compare Travis Frederick the player to Trysten Hill, Fred was a much safer selection.

I was talking about the situation.

In 2013, walk in starter OL prospects on Dallas' board were all selected except Frederick when they got on the clock again at #31. So, if was take Fred or fail to address the need.

This year, it was take Hill at #58 or risk not being able to get an impact 3Tech.
It's not the same situation because the player is totally different. Jerry and Stephen need to be smacked for not only still paying marinelli but actually taking his advice on who to draft. He would.have been there at 90. Or trade up and get khalen Saunders
 

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I don’t doubt Hill’s ability. But his problems with coaching had most teams dropping him to the 3rd or 4th round. Why oh why does this organization...this owner...always seem to love the high risk pick? It’s like an addiction to the “high” of going against conventional wisdom. It’s stupid.

Look, I’m a Cowboys fan, so I want Hill to succeed. I said the same thing about Bruce Carter, Gavin Escobar, Randy Gregory, and Jaylon Smith. Jaylon has worked out so we can always take comfort in Jerry’s hitting on a second rounder once in a while.
 

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I don’t doubt Hill’s ability. But his problems with coaching had most teams dropping him to the 3rd or 4th round. Why oh why does this organization...this owner...always seem to love the high risk pick? It’s like an addiction to the “high” of going against conventional wisdom. It’s stupid.

Look, I’m a Cowboys fan, so I want Hill to succeed. I said the same thing about Bruce Carter, Gavin Escobar, Randy Gregory, and Jaylon Smith. Jaylon has worked out so we can always take comfort in Jerry’s hitting on a second rounder once in a while.
Dlaw, chido, Lee and connor William's were 2nd round picks
 

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It's not the same situation because the player is totally different. Jerry and Stephen need to be smacked for not only still paying marinelli but actually taking his advice on who to draft. He would.have been there at 90. Or trade up and get khalen Saunders
How is it not the same situation? Iit's not about the player but the position group.

Dallas wanted an impact OL in 2013 and it was Travis Frederick or nothing on their board (it was leaked).

They wanted an impact 3Tech now and Tyrsten Hill was the only option available.

Take him or risk going without.

I would have selected Juan Thornhill and risked not being able to get Hill, but they went the other way.
 

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It's a term for a talented player who happens to have a very low floor and a very high ceiling.

There's more risk involved with these prospects, but the potential payoff makes some teams select them earlier than most others would.

I know what it means in Football Cliche, it just means nothing in actual football. Saying a guy has a high ceiling and a low floor is akin to shrugging your shoulders. Internet scouts should just say they have no idea.
 

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Two things.....
1. After our experience with nutjob headcases like Irving, Gregory and to an extent Taco, when are we ever going to learn to stay away from this type players?
2. I can't wait for the day Rod Marinelli is no longer with the Dallas Cowboys.
 

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It's not even close frederick pick. I believe fredbeard was the best center that draft and we got lucky. Fredbeard was a consensus first round top of the 2nd safe pick. No injury or character concerns

No, the consensus at the time was that we reached for Fred.
 

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We love taking risks in the 2nd round. At least this time it's not a failed drug test or injury.
just someone with coachability and attitude problems, I will with hold judgment as no one knows what will happen. It is really sad RM just can't stop looking for his new Warren Sapp, it seems it's a obsession with him.
 

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When Frederick got picked the Cowboys got killed for taking him two rounds to early. I said it then and I'll say it now... if you like the guy take him... all it takes is one other team to also like him. That's why I won't kill the Giants and why I didn't kill Dallas on the Frederick pick.
 

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When Frederick got picked the Cowboys got killed for taking him two rounds to early. I said it then and I'll say it now... if you like the guy take him... all it takes is one other team to also like him. That's why I won't kill the Giants and why I didn't kill Dallas on the Frederick pick.
I actually never got upset about the frederick pick we needed OL especially center. I thought we could have possibly taken him in the 2nd. This pick screams rod trying to save his job
 

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That is a big risk to take but you need to take risks in this life to get ahead. Unfortunately those risks can also lead you to your downfall.
I actually don’t think it is that big of a risk. Scott Frost and his staff loved Hill and he apparently had an issue with the new system the second staff brought in, probably because it made him take on blocks rather than use his burst to shoot gaps. That isn’t that terrible in the first place. Secondly, every defensive lineman who ever played in Marinelli’s system loves it like no other. It suits Hill’s strengths perfectly... he will have no problem with what he’s asked to do.

He plays two years as a true freshman and true sophomore with zero problems, and then his final year he bucks the defensive system a little and doesn’t get to start. I don’t think that is what I would categorize as a problem guy.

Also, I’ve heard people saying he was benched his final year but that is way off... he just didn’t start the game and wasn’t listed as a starter... he played a lot in every game.

Finally, if you are going to take a risk (albeit a small one here IMO)... talent like Hill has is what you take a chance on. His first step is incredibly explosive. He’s into the OL before they can really even get out of their stance. His get off is rare. And speaking for myself, when I look for traits I want out of a DL, first step explosion and quick get off is the first thing I look for... particularly in a 3T. That can’t be coached and isn’t something you find very often.

Someone who weighs 308 and has explosiveness like that? Someone who plays like his hair is on fire every snap? Well, that is someone I’d take a chance on. Especially when his transgression is so small.
 

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I actually don’t think it is that big of a risk. Scott Frost and his staff loved Hill and he apparently had an issue with the new system the second staff brought in, probably because it made him take on blocks rather than use his burst to shoot gaps. That isn’t that terrible in the first place. Secondly, every defensive lineman who ever played in Marinelli’s system loves it like no other. It suits Hill’s strengths perfectly... he will have no problem with what he’s asked to do.

He plays two years as a true freshman and true sophomore with zero problems, and then his final year he bucks the defensive system a little and doesn’t get to start. I don’t think that is what I would categorize as a problem guy.

Also, I’ve heard people saying he was benched his final year but that is way off... he just didn’t start the game and wasn’t listed as a starter... he played a lot in every game.

Finally, if you are going to take a risk (albeit a small one here IMO)... talent like Hill has is what you take a chance on. His first step is incredibly explosive. He’s into the OL before they can really even get out of their stance. His get off is rare. And speaking for myself, when I look for traits I want out of a DL, first step explosion and quick get off is the first thing I look for... particularly in a 3T. That can’t be coached and isn’t something you find very often.

Someone who weighs 308 and has explosiveness like that? Someone who plays like his hair is on fire every snap? Well, that is someone I’d take a chance on. Especially when his transgression is so small.
Or just take the sure thing in Thornhill that has ball skills to create turnovers in the secondary something we haven't seen since deion
 

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I actually never got upset about the frederick pick we needed OL especially center. I thought we could have possibly taken him in the 2nd. This pick screams rod trying to save his job
As much as Frederick solidified the OL and brought it all together... Hill could do for the DL.

With that physical ability and effort, I don’t blame the team at all.

That’s why I was glad they took him.
 

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Or just take the sure thing in Thornhill that has ball skills to create turnovers in the secondary something we haven't seen since deion
I get that but like I said elsewhere: there’s no way a safety can impact the team like an explosive 3T can in this defense. That position makes this defense go and if Hill is a hit, it’ll transform everything.

Thornhill wasn’t going to do that.
 
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