Trysten vs Taco

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How many playoff teams did we play during regular season? Serious question. Good teams find your weak spot, and exploit it. If you are a legitimate run defender, that shouldn't matter. Talent beats talent. We've been soft in the middle for a LONG time. Irving was our only true stud, and he didn't play. Our secondary didn't lose that game. That's all I'm saying.

Woods was hurt as well, iirc.
 

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A lot of people have been making the comparison between the circumstances of the pics, but I am looking at it from a slightly more optimistic angle.

The taco vs tj decision came down to scheme, position, and watt's knee injuries. so Taco was almost the default choice because tj had warts (to them).

With trysten, this is their guy. they wanted him, they love him, and when it came down to him or thornhill (who they also loved and is everything they'd want from a safety) they chose this kid. weren't forced to by the board breaking poorly, or their guy getting sniped. the board broke pretty favorably for them, and they confidently made the decision. reminds me more of the lve pick than the taco pick

my two cents

Some are equating Hill to Taco.Many said Taco was a reach based on measurables and college numbers. He was pretty average but stepped it up in his final year in Michigan. That's the exact opposite of Hill. His measurables are right up there with the top DT's AND his attitude wasn't a problem until his last year. For now, I'm gonna say the Cowboys have kicked it with their first pick in the draft 6 out of the 8 times and go with that rather than seeing one reach out of 8
 

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Sapp was never in a rotation by the way.
That’s true. But then who on our DL, with the possible exception of D-Law, has shown Warren Sapp-level talent?

Btw...Marinelli was never the DC in Tampa Bay; he was the DL coach.
 

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That’s true. But then who on our DL, with the possible exception of D-Law, has shown Warren Sapp-level talent?

Btw...Marinelli was never the DC in Tampa Bay; he was the DL coach.

Your odd fact doesnt change my fact.
 

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Why is my fact odd and yours is not, lol?

Marinelli didn’t control the defensive player rotations in TB; Monte Kiffin did.

So are you suggesting that Marinelli would have put Sap in a rotation instead of playing him most of the snaps?

Cmon, you're just arguing to argue. You ONLY have a rotation if you dont have a great starter. Its pretty simple.
 

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The Rams game was not typical, we were really good against the run last year............5th or so if I remember correctly.

The problem with the Rams game was tipping. They picked up our signals and figured out what our blocking scheme was and just countered it. That is why they ran for like 400 yards.

In other words, it was a scheme problem and not a talent problem against the Rams. Like I said, we were a top 5 team during the regular season stopping the run.

Im certain coaching played a part in the Rams debacle, but the same thing happened vs Indy. To me it appeared we have trouble handling bigger, more physical Olines.
 

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no matter what the scheme is , when the rams ran almost 300 yards on the cowboys , you know the problem is the in the defensive line ...

It was also with the young linebackers who were fooled badly by the motion, shifts and misdirection. It was a learning experience for players and coaches.
 

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It was also with the young linebackers who were fooled badly by the motion, shifts and misdirection. It was a learning experience for players and coaches.

Nice learning experience right Omer. Jaylon and LVE will learn from that. If you let it go to your head and don't remain humble someone or something will humiliate you. They're a super duo who will only get better
 
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I have to disagree. Our interior line is why we exited the playoffs.

It was more than that. If you go by that game then you're saying our DL is trash. They're not. This guy is not making our DL better. I do think Adderley, Thornhill, or Rapp, would have made our team better. I also think there was a reasonable chance Hill would be there at 90. No chance the other way around. Safety first would have been the safer route.

I was one of the people that hoped for a DT first. But the way it panned out with the players left, it called for a S first. In fact, when D.K. Metcalf fell to us, I would have rather they take him over Hill.
 

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The entire defensive scheme was owned by the Rams.

48 rushes 273 yards 3 TDs is more than the 2 DTs.

Tale a look at what Marinelli was doing in that game.

He's a stubborn man.

Richard was calling the defense tho.
 

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So are you suggesting that Marinelli would have put Sap in a rotation instead of playing him most of the snaps?

Cmon, you're just arguing to argue. You ONLY have a rotation if you dont have a great starter. Its pretty simple.
I’m not suggesting anything; you’re making suggestions for me.

I’ll leave you to it.
 

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Im hoping for both to pan out, but im hoping more from Hill because his position can make an immediate impact.
 

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I would have gone with the safety because it is the biggest need this year.

Trysten is a pick for 2020...............most likely Crawford's replacement.
I do not agree that was the biggest need, I would put DT ahead of that but my question is about this specific DT and his history. He has some risk to him and while Marinelli seems to love him, his favorite used to be Nick Hayden.

However, picking Hill is all about the upside the "what if" about him. No one seems to doubt his physical abilities, although he needs some more strength training, which he will get, but his personality is a challenge. How a kid acclimates into a NFL locker room is the key to his progress.

The question about him is will he be a listener or a talker? Will he go the way of Bennett, his mouth was his undoing in the Cowboys locker room, or the way of LVE, all eyes and ears and eager to learn from players that know more than he does? No question about it, every Cowboys coach and player knows the rap on him from UCF. He will need to change some preconceived notions about him to become what he can be.
 

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I would have gone with the safety because it is the biggest need this year.

Trysten is a pick for 2020...............most likely Crawford's replacement.
Other than salary Crawford is a solid run stopper. I think he'll move to a rotational position
 

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Did Taco also spoke to Marinelli every day back then ? :facepalm:

Sometimes a pick just doesn’t go well. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t help to have a good relationship with the players you coach.
 

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A lot of people have been making the comparison between the circumstances of the pics, but I am looking at it from a slightly more optimistic angle.

The taco vs tj decision came down to scheme, position, and watt's knee injuries. so Taco was almost the default choice because tj had warts (to them).

With trysten, this is their guy. they wanted him, they love him, and when it came down to him or thornhill (who they also loved and is everything they'd want from a safety) they chose this kid. weren't forced to by the board breaking poorly, or their guy getting sniped. the board broke pretty favorably for them, and they confidently made the decision. reminds me more of the lve pick than the taco pick

my two cents

Taco was touted by most analysts as a fringe 1st rounder and has no off the field concerns.

Hills range typically falls in the 3rd/4th, he struggles to anchor and he has character concerns.

I felt way, way better about the Taco pick...even though he hasn’t shown us much post draft.
 
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