If Cowboys wanted a day 1 starter they didnt get it

DCowboyz said:

We have Michael Jackson and Joe Jackson.

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Heeeeeeee heeeeeeeee

*moonwalks

CowboyRoy said:

They said all along that that second round pick needed to be a day 1 starter. Thornhill fell right in their laps. He would have started day 1 and solidified this defense and could have made this defense a force THIS year. Not to mention finally getting rid of the weakest link on your team and defense in the horrid Heath.

Now Im not a guy that thinks THIS year only. I like longer term goals. But this DT will be a rotation guy this year and will probably take over for Collins next season. He will have to be better than both Collins AND Crawford or really its just a wash. Which is fine, but not when you passed up on a bonafide day one starter in Thornhill at your weakest position.

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Lol @ the notion a rookie, 2nd round, S would start on our defense. Hill has a better shot beating out Collins to start than Thornhill beating out backup S, Kavon Frazier.

Adderly was a day 1 starter. We keep glossing over him.

CowboyRoy said:

They said all along that that second round pick needed to be a day 1 starter. Thornhill fell right in their laps. He would have started day 1 and solidified this defense and could have made this defense a force THIS year. Not to mention finally getting rid of the weakest link on your team and defense in the horrid Heath.

Now Im not a guy that thinks THIS year only. I like longer term goals. But this DT will be a rotation guy this year and will probably take over for Collins next season. He will have to be better than both Collins AND Crawford or really its just a wash. Which is fine, but not when you passed up on a bonafide day one starter in Thornhill at your weakest position.

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Will McClay says Hello!

this was a great move, clearly Rod will be here for 10, maybe 20 years so we know he ll know the players and system, so that was smart move.

obvisouly we can bet Garrett is going no where, so again, not getting a safety who could possible start was also smart, that way the next DC and coach hhas more headaches, but plenty of part time guys. brilliant move.

this also works because we are assured no other DL coach will be brought in and hopefully would want to deal with as many headaches as possible.

you always want to make as big a mess you can, it advanced your team as much as possible.

that being said we are going to implement the best technique we ve been trotting out for years "Hope"

and away we go

Too early to call Hill a miss or Thornhill a hit but I believe those were the 2 of the 7 it was down to and I also believe the D coaching staff participated in this decision, including the coach in charge of the secondary.

And this pick is not without risk as it seems a coach has to win his heart and mind first before the team gets his body. However, the coaching staff is aware of this and still decided on him.

As far as a "starter", that remains to be seen but in today's NFL it is not about starting, it is about the number of plays and limiting 3rd down conversions and since we do not know how or when he might contribute in that area, it is premature to call Thornhill the better choice. What if, a big what if, Hill becomes a passing down force that does create a little havoc in that backfield? If he does that, he was worth it if that's all he ever does.

I look at this D and ask myself 'where was the most urgent need"? I answer 'the front end, not the back end. The pass rush and interior of the DL was mediocre last season". Does this questionable because of perceived effort pick address that? Don't know.

That's my perception of this entire draft, don't know. No mistake about it, that first pick was a risk like so many 2nd rounders have been and he could go the way of Smith or Gregory but they were both regarded as high 1st rounders initially. But this pick had Booger all over it because he's all about potential and treated this 2nd like most of the others. Go for the upside.

Historically, the number of late second-round and lower draft picks (include names, please) who have been named as day-one September starters immediately following their respective April drafts is__?

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MizzouCowboy4 said:

Cowboy Roy I am just nervous with Hill cause of his issues in college. Was not fan of him.

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He’s just a misunderstood young man. High spirited lad and people just don’t get him.

GenoT said:

Historically, the number of late second-round and lower draft picks (include names, please) who have been named as day-one September starters immediately following their respective April drafts is__?

Take your time...

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Roy is pissed because Thornhill didn't get picked because he assumed he would be the starter. What Roy should be pissed about is buying anything the Joneses say before the draft.

Unless any team has a slug at a position, or unusual circumstances, few players picked late in the 2nd on are getting even penciled in as the starter. The Cowboys are OK at DT, not great but they do not have slugs there and Heath isn't the slug some try to make him out to be either. He's not great but he is not a slug.

This pick was all about upside and Booger loves him some upside. I didn't think I was going to love any pick at 58 but I was already happy with the most proven 1st rounder, along with the Bears, in the draft.

This draft didn't wow me but then I don't grade players 3 days after, I try and wait closer to that 3 year timeframe as I am doing with Charleton. Hell, I even waited after that 2009 draft that will live in infamy forever.

This was obviously a draft for depth

I think they did, maybe rotational, i dont know, but if its me, im starting him.

CowboyRoy said:

IM not worried about those issues. Marinelli will straighten that out. But when you pass on a bonafide day one starter at year weakest position, it better be for a guy that is a stud. Mixed reports about Hill. And certainly being a "1 technique" he probably would have been available in the 3rd.

Look, the Cowboys gambled and they lost. Simple as that. It could have been a home run strategy. But by the time the Cowboys picked in the 3rd round all the other safeties were toast.

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It's great to have your opinion and all but, you have to understand that the Cowboy FO does not value the safety position as highly as you and others do. This team never has. They don't value the DT/1T position either.
They value DE and 3T much more in the Marinelli scheme. They know that getting a day 1 starter is hard drafting at the backend of Round 2. If they valued safety as much as you they could have easily had one at their
pick. They didn't and don't period. They didn't gamble at all in their view. They like Heath and Heath was going to start this year no matter who they took.

What about Pollard as a day 1 starter on ST, or does that not count?

Once we didn't pick up Thornhill or Rapp I would have liked to somehow pick up Hooker. He went in round 4.to the Titans. I'll be watching him to see how he does.

Jipper said:

Boo hoo....I swear I don't think I've ever seen a more whiney fanbase....

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Well considering theres only a few fan bases that haven't seen a conference championship game in 23 years kind of makes sense we would whine more. We could always side with the mediocre crowd who doesn't mind not winning I guess

The funny thing is this team treats x woods like hes an irreplaceable all pro. He played average last season

CowboyRoy said:

They said all along that that second round pick needed to be a day 1 starter. Thornhill fell right in their laps. He would have started day 1 and solidified this defense and could have made this defense a force THIS year. Not to mention finally getting rid of the weakest link on your team and defense in the horrid Heath.

Now Im not a guy that thinks THIS year only. I like longer term goals. But this DT will be a rotation guy this year and will probably take over for Collins next season. He will have to be better than both Collins AND Crawford or really its just a wash. Which is fine, but not when you passed up on a bonafide day one starter in Thornhill at your weakest position.

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Let’s see what happens with Hill and even our other picks. Never know.

CowboyRoy said:

They said all along that that second round pick needed to be a day 1 starter. Thornhill fell right in their laps. He would have started day 1 and solidified this defense and could have made this defense a force THIS year. Not to mention finally getting rid of the weakest link on your team and defense in the horrid Heath.

Now Im not a guy that thinks THIS year only. I like longer term goals. But this DT will be a rotation guy this year and will probably take over for Collins next season. He will have to be better than both Collins AND Crawford or really its just a wash. Which is fine, but not when you passed up on a bonafide day one starter in Thornhill at your weakest position.

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You have absolutely nothing to base that on. Your basing it on your conclusions and who you think would have been a day 1 starter. They had no 1st round pick- they drafted well and found a few that will be able to contribute this year. There is absolutely no guarantee Thornhill is a day one starter

CowboyRoy said:

IM not worried about those issues. Marinelli will straighten that out. But when you pass on a bonafide day one starter at year weakest position, it better be for a guy that is a stud. Mixed reports about Hill. And certainly being a "1 technique" he probably would have been available in the 3rd.

Look, the Cowboys gambled and they lost. Simple as that. It could have been a home run strategy. But by the time the Cowboys picked in the 3rd round all the other safeties were toast.

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Collins is always hurt and we lost Irving, 3-Tech was a much bigger need than a box safety and it is not even close.

He seems rather small for a DL.