Any interest in Karl Joseph?

stasheroo said:

I'm a big La'el Collins fan and will admit that he's not worth the money he's being paid now, much less "in a year." He's making top money for a right tackle this year and isn't close to the performance level of the others. That's not bashing the player, it's admitting the obvious. Jerry Jones is making good for a player that got screwed in the draft process and missed out on millions on the front end of his career.

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Sydla said:

Personally I don't care if they trade him or not this year. I kind of thought they might surprise and move him for a 4th or 5th in this draft after McGovern was drafted.

But at this point, I am going to listen to any potential trade offer that can improve this club now that involves Taco or Collins or some other players. I'd trade Taco for Joseph as well.

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Sydla said:

I never said that.

But you brought up the notion of trading a pick for a veteran that you have to pay big money to compared to a rookie.

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charron said:

You compared him to coop. because yes if he was as good as Cooper been sure sign him long-term but he's not there for you don't trade for him just for one year better to keep your current right tackle unless you have a better option at right tackle.

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hendog86 said:

Taco for Joseph straight up?
Joseph turns 26 in September while Taco turns 25 in November.

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Sydla said:

Yeah.............. I don't think the problem here is that he's being compared to Martin or Frederick or Smith.

The problem is he's likely just an average RT. Better at run blocking than pass blocking.

I also suspect that the Cowboys know this as well and know he's not going to be worth the money in a year so they are already preparing for the future and why you saw stories after McGovern was drafted that the Cowboys have talked about Williams moving out to OT.

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OmerV said:

I don’t disagree that he may be on his way out after 2019, but that doesn’t mean you trade him for lesser value than he’s worth. Jospeh hasn’t consistently started over his carer, and the Raiders have signed 2 starting safeties from other teams and used a first round draft pick on a safety. This doesn’t Indicate the Raiders think very highly of Joseph.

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Sydla said:

I didn't compare Joseph to Cooper as players. You are missing the point. You seemed bothered by the idea of trading for a guy on a rookie contract because you'd then have to pay that rookie a big contract potentially.

Also, you wouldn't have Joseph for one year. You'd likely have him for 2 - he's under contract for this year and then you have the 5th year option at roughly $7MM or less for 2020.

Conversely, you have Collins for only one more year. He's a FA after this season.

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charron said:

No I get your point but it's not apples to apples. Trading for coop is different than trading for Joseph. You seem to think it's worth trading for him but I don't for 2 reasons. 1. We do not have anyone with experience to replace Collins. We've seen what happens when Dak has less than perfect protection.
2. With the type of guys they are looking for I think they are happy with turning late picks into starters on cheap deals.

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Sydla said:

And I think you overvalue him relative to Joseph. Throw in the fact that Collins is likely gone after 2019 anyway, you likely won't see much more than a 4th or 5th round comp pick for him two offseasons from now and Joseph gives you an upgrade at a position where you are weak............... it would be far from a bad trade.

Frankly, I think it would be a fair trade.

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Sydla said:

Late picks into starters? That's a rarity.

And that late pick you get from Collins won't come until 2021 anyway.

If they won't move Collins because of the comp pick, that's pretty silly.

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Sydla said:

And I think you overvalue him relative to Joseph. Throw in the fact that Collins is likely gone after 2019 anyway, you likely won't see much more than a 4th or 5th round comp pick for him two offseasons from now and Joseph gives you an upgrade at a position where you are weak............... it would be far from a bad trade.

Frankly, I think it would be a fair trade.

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speedkilz88 said:

Collins should easily be a 3rd comp pick. It's only taken over 9 million a season the past couple of seasons.

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OmerV said:

I don't even think it's a sure thing that Joseph would be an upgrade in Dallas. Again, the Raiders using a 1st round draft pick on a safety and signing 2 veteran free agent safeties who were starters on their previous team doesn't indicate Joseph is regarded any higher than the Cowboy safeties. We have to understand that high draft pick doesn't necessarily equate high quality player.

As for value, there is a huge difference between a guy who a team is determined to replace (Joseph) and one who the team feels it can't afford (Collins).

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