Draft pick likelihood of success

GMO415 · Apr 29, 2019

These guys aren't starters yet and they weren't drafted to be either. It's going to take years to truly evaluate the pick.

jazzcat22 · Apr 29, 2019

Why do many think every draft they need to get 7 starters. Well, ok, overkill there a little. But you know what I mean.
This year there were really only 2 positions to consider we need a starter. DT, but yet that player would be in a rotation rather starting or not. Bt the need of a stud DT was needed.

hey may have got that in Hill. Rather some think was overdraft, a reach, or some think he was the right pick in the right spot. Myself, I am not sure of yet, but I am glad they addressed it.

S, we needed a guy that was going to step in or soon be able to step in, even if a year away. Even in the 3rd round if they picked a S, could he step in and be a starter. Many say over Heath, yes. And I can't disagree. They picked McGovern, so maybe he can but still this was a smart move for the future.

But for all the other picks of 4 through 7, who would they pick to step in and be a starter for anyone else on the team. They added depth and possible future players. Everyone will have their opinions, but to think we were going to replace players on what seems to be a deep roster is a bit of a stretch.

I am still not sure how I feel overall about this draft. I am still looking at everything. I Amy not come up with a conclusion. LOL. I will probably go back and forth too, until I see them in TC. But I do like day 3 this year better than last year. And last year a few players grew on me.

This year I said in other threads I did not think they needed to draft the 2 DE's. But time will tell, though I see them both as PS players for now.

Kage · Apr 29, 2019

DBOY3141 said:
think you are mixing up Pollard and Weber for Dunbar. Weber is strickly a runner. Pollard is more of a RB/WR/KR.

You're right, I mixed the two up...thanks!

Scotman · Apr 29, 2019

One of the things this draft tells me is that the Cowboys braintrust puts a lot of faith in their ability to evaluate a player's intangibles. Hill has the motor and physical ability to play at this level. But there were potential issues with maturity and attitude that dropped him on many board 2-3 rounds (if I'm understanding the babble). Once they meet with him and develop a relationship...he changes his placement on their board.

I've always felt like Jerry believes he can have a positive impact on players that would otherwise be difficult to handle. History supports that notion with the free agents he picks up. It appears to me that that belief bleeds over into our draft picks quite a bit.

Flamma · Apr 29, 2019

OmerV said:
Hill was not listed as a late round guy after the combine. Most draft profiles had him listed as a 1st round talent who would go 2nd or 3rd round because of issues he had with coaches in college.

Ok, thanks for this info. Because everywhere I looked I seen him listed as a 4-6 round projection. I was wondering why are we picking him in the 2nd? Because no matter how he pans out, you don't pick a guy in the 2nd if you know he'll be there in the 3rd. But what you said made it make a lot more sense.

JBell · Apr 29, 2019

CATCH17 said:
I hate the value but Dallas rarely gets value in the 2nd round. IT's kinda been their round to get stupid.

That hasn't been the case for a while. They've gotten great value in the 2nd the last 5 years.

2018: Connor Williams
2017: Chidobe Awuzie
2016: Jaylon Smith
2015: Randy Gregory
2014: Demarcus Lawrence

Flamma · Apr 29, 2019

Kage said:
McGovern gives us flexibility next year depending what happens with Collins and Williams.

I've come to the point where I can't be upset to get a good offensive lineman. After that mess with Chaz and Bell we can't have enough of them.

jazzcat22 · Apr 29, 2019

Scotman said:
One of the things this draft tells me is that the Cowboys braintrust puts a lot of faith in their ability to evaluate a player's intangibles. Hill has the motor and physical ability to play at this level. But there were potential issues with maturity and attitude that dropped him on many board 2-3 rounds (if I'm understanding the babble). Once they meet with him and develop a relationship...he changes his placement on their board.

I've always felt like Jerry believes he can have a positive impact on players that would otherwise be difficult to handle. History supports that notion with the free agents he picks up. It appears to me that that belief bleeds over into our draft picks quite a bit.

I seen on draft day, I think it was from Bleacher Report, the team had Hill sign or agree to a "work ethic" contract before they picked him.
What does that mean or is in it, don't know. I did not read it yet, the article if there is one, as it was an alert on my phone.

Verdict · Apr 29, 2019

OmerV said:
I didn't say "sure first rounder", I said 1st round talent. And he did start for his team, just not for much of his last season because of the conflict with the coaches. The question was never with his talent, it was with his attitude and coachability.

I’m not for or against the pick. I’m waiting to find out more info before developing an opinion.

Let’s not move the goal posts though. He didn’t start for his own team last year. That doesn’t mean that he won’t be a great pick or turn out to be a hall of famer for that matter. But let’s not pretend it’s not a real life fact.

LifetimeBoysFan · Apr 29, 2019

SoupcanSam said:
I have confidence Michael Jackson will have the more success out of all draft picks.

His singing career should take off.

Just keep him away from the young fans. We don’t need Goodell suspending him 6 games just because he has sleep overs to watch ‘game film’ with him.

Verdict · Apr 29, 2019

jazzcat22 said:
Why do many think every draft they need to get 7 starters. Well, ok, overkill there a little. But you know what I mean.
This year there were really only 2 positions to consider we need a starter. DT, but yet that player would be in a rotation rather starting or not. Bt the need of a stud DT was needed.

hey may have got that in Hill. Rather some think was overdraft, a reach, or some think he was the right pick in the right spot. Myself, I am not sure of yet, but I am glad they addressed it.

S, we needed a guy that was going to step in or soon be able to step in, even if a year away. Even in the 3rd round if they picked a S, could he step in and be a starter. Many say over Heath, yes. And I can't disagree. They picked McGovern, so maybe he can but still this was a smart move for the future.

But for all the other picks of 4 through 7, who would they pick to step in and be a starter for anyone else on the team. They added depth and possible future players. Everyone will have their opinions, but to think we were going to replace players on what seems to be a deep roster is a bit of a stretch.

I am still not sure how I feel overall about this draft. I am still looking at everything. I Amy not come up with a conclusion. LOL. I will probably go back and forth too, until I see them in TC. But I do like day 3 this year better than last year. And last year a few players grew on me.

This year I said in other threads I did not think they needed to draft the 2 DE's. But time will tell, though I see them both as PS players for now.

I disagree with you fairly regularly, but I think this is a very fair assessment of the situation.

CouchCoach · Apr 29, 2019

The Cowboys only have one known out of this draft, the 1st rounder, he can play.

The level of satisfaction with this draft seems to come down to that 2nd pick, DT or S and since they didn't go for Thornhill, some are pissed and downgrading something that can't even be graded yet.

Before we can really grade this, need some time and those UDFA's need to be factored in as well. In any draft, the first thing I ask is "did they address the needs" and I feel they did as best they could and added picks when they could. Comes down to what one defines as a greater need, a DT that might make the S better or a S that would have little effect on the DT.

McGovern was a future pick for 2020 to move Williams to his natural position and will provide depth for this season.

They got Elliott's backup in Weber and a Swiss Army Knife in Pollard and what was a very interesting situation with a brand new OC just got more interesting because he got another weapon. One that I think his predecessor would have underutilized.

One thing you need to do prior to any draft, before assessing your own team's haul, is gauge the strength and depth of the draft and this one was not a good one. I predict that this draft will have most of these players out of the NFL in 3 years and most of the remaining in backup roles. There were some blue chippers at the top but the fall off after that was really steep.

tyke1doe · Apr 29, 2019

Verdict said:
I haven’t studied the guys we picked at all but it will be interesting to see how they fare. Just based off of what I am hearing, here are a couple of observations:

Hill- Lots of conflicting info on this guy. The “traits” that I keep hearing about (very explosive for a big guy and quick first step” indicate he has a chance, but he seems to be listed as a late round guy who could be a steal late. Sounds like an overdraft to me. I’m willing to give the Cowboys the benefit of the doubt on this one, but this has Marinelli all over it. So if he bombs I hope he takes Marinelli with him.

McGovern- The team referred to him as a blinking light based on draft value and we didn’t have to have a guard so they didn’t reach for need. Just based on team comments it sounds like this guy has the least chance of being a bust out of this class based on draft position.

Weber- Sounds like a good value pick that late in the draft. I’m glad we didn’t wait to pick up a RB in UDFA because no one is going to want to come and sit behind Zeke freely.

Jelk- Another blinking light comment on this guy. Based on these comments you expect that they had him high on their draft board.

If you go by what the talking heads say, then we reached a lot. If you believe in the Cowboys’ draft process then maybe we parlayed that compensatory 4th into a couple of solid players for us. If one of the 3 players they got for that pick hit, then it was a good move.

I think the Cowboys seem very confident in what they are wanting to accomplish. I will say this: I love the emphasis on the trenches on both sides.

Blinking light? Explain, please? Thanks.

Dorsett33 · Apr 29, 2019

CATCH17 said:
Trysten Hill is the kind of player you can be excited about in the late 3rd or 4th round but overdrafting him in the 2nd is what makes me hate the pick.

He's just a piece of clay. Outside of that he is raw and this pick will take some work.

On top of that he had reduced playing time because evidently his coaches and him didn't get along.

I hate the value but Dallas rarely gets value in the 2nd round. IT's kinda been their round to get stupid.

If he becomes a star, no one will care where he's drafted. I think people put too much into where a player is drafted. The DT isn't as sexier of a pick as a S and that's what most people look at, I think. But, we were gashed in that Rams game. We basically shut down Goff and the passing game. DT is what was more important in my opinion.

Dorsett33 · Apr 29, 2019

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Kage said:
I've heard Hill projected anywhere from round 2 to round 5. Hard to judge, but seems to be a round 1-2 talent.

McGovern gives us flexibility next year depending what happens with Collins and Williams.

Weber to me feels like replacing Dunbar from a few years ago.

Jelk, I haven't seen much on but I keep hearing he is a steal where we picked him.

I've seen quite a few of Weber's games. I think he is more all around than Dunbar. Whether that translates to the pro game is yet to be seen. But, Weber can run between the tackles. I don't think Dunbar was that type of back. Dunbar was good in the passing game...created mismatches.

OmerV · Apr 29, 2019

Verdict said:
I’m not for or against the pick. I’m waiting to find out more info before developing an opinion.

Let’s not move the goal posts though. He didn’t start for his own team last year. That doesn’t mean that he won’t be a great pick or turn out to be a hall of famer for that matter. But let’s not pretend it’s not a real life fact.

I don’t disagree with this. I was just responding to a comment someone made that Hill projected to go late in the draft when that wasn’t the case.

SoupcanSam · Apr 29, 2019

LifetimeBoysFan said:
Just keep him away from the young fans. We don’t need Goodell suspending him 6 games just because he has sleep overs to watch ‘game film’ with him.

Try

hard

Dallasfann · Apr 29, 2019

There isn't a person on this board that I think knows anything about these players. If I had the time I'm sure I could go back and find most of you complaining about all of our picks last year and the year before and before..ect. This team drafts well and I'm fully confident we got the right guys at the right picks. If we didn't you won't see me here *****ing about it during the season.

The Cowboys fan base is pretty pathetic in general so I'm fairly certain that anyone complaining about our picks is someone who just likes to complain about the Cowboys. Take a note from last season when everyone said LVE was Bobby Carpenter and just let these guys get into camp and show us what they can do before you cry about what you know nothing about. This post isn't meant to offend anyone but if it did there is a great chance you are who the guy who just likes to ***** about everything Cowboys related.

Hennessy_King · Apr 29, 2019

DBOY3141 said:
I think Rod is a good D line coach but a bad Def coordinator. His scheming just like JG is outdated and the NFL has passed them by.

I don't even think he's a good d line coach. Why because he inherited sapp and simeon rice. Who has he turned from late round pick or udfa into a pro bowler?

DBOY3141 · Apr 29, 2019

Hennessy_King said:
I don't even think he's a good d line coach. Why because he inherited sapp and simeon rice. Who has he turned from late round pick or udfa into a pro bowler?

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