Why should Garrett be kept in a championship season?

Beast_from_East · Apr 30, 2019

Diehardblues said:
So, everyone believes we have a greater or more talented team than the Final 4 in NFL. All we are lacking is coaching?

We have a 22nd ranked offense with a middle tier QB, league leading rusher and a top 10 defense. We should be winning championships? Ok then., lol

If the roster is not championship caliber, isn't that on the head coach for not improving it?

It seems your view is that the roster is not good enough to win consistently in the playoffs, but the head coach is not responsible for any of those short comings.

You realize that on average 6-8 NFL head coaches are fired every season...………...too bad they cant use your "not enough talent" excuse. They are actually responsible for improving the roster and winning games. If that doesn't happen, they are out of a job. This is a concept you dont seem to think should apply to Garrett, but should apply to all the other head coaches in the NFL. Why?

Diehardblues · Apr 30, 2019

Beast_from_East said:
If the roster is not championship caliber, isn't that on the head coach for not improving it?

It seems your view is that the roster is not good enough to win consistently in the playoffs, but the head coach is not responsible for any of those short comings.

You realize that on average 6-8 NFL head coaches are fired every season...………...too bad they cant use your "not enough talent" excuse. They are actually responsible for improving the roster and winning games. If that doesn't happen, they are out of a job. This is a concept you dont seem to think should apply to Garrett, but should apply to all the other head coaches in the NFL. Why?

The roster is ultimate on the GM. I do believe a HC is responsible for influencing those personnel decisions and creating a winning culture.

I think our dysfunctional situation calls for special circumstances.

Beast_from_East · Apr 30, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Placing us in a position to win it should be more applauded in this dysfunctional situation under Jerry.

When did this occur?

That we were in position to win a SB?

Last time I checked we have never advanced past the Divisional round. That is not "being in a position to win a title". That is called not getting over the hump, something Steven Jones has talked about quite a lot this offseason.

Idgit · Apr 30, 2019

Beast_from_East said:
My opposition to Garrett is his inability to win in the playoffs consistently. 2 Wildcard wins over a decade on the job is laughable.

If we win a championship, Garrett can get a lifetime contract as far as I am concerned.

As long as we’re clear that the opposition used to be that he couldn’t coach. Then that he couldn’t get over .500. Then he couldn’t win without Romo because Romo was the reason his teams won. Then the opposition switched to he couldn’t win a playoff game. Now it’s that he can’t get to the NFCCG.

If you look at the quality of those 2010-2013 teams, I don’t agree that anybody ought to have been expecting playoff runs from them. They were pretty bad teams until 2014 when we finally revamped the roster and got through the cap issues.

Diehardblues · Apr 30, 2019

I like more where we are now than flushing out a new puppet every 3 or 4 years. 3 division titles in 5 years is best run in over 20 years. I’m more afraid of falling back into the mode we were before Parcells.

Diehardblues · Apr 30, 2019

Beast_from_East said:
When did this occur?

That we were in position to win a SB?

Last time I checked we have never advanced past the Divisional round. That is not "being in a position to win a title". That is called not getting over the hump, something Steven Jones has talked about quite a lot this offseason.

We’ve been in position 3 times in last 5 years basically a play or two away from a championship appearance.

Beast_from_East · Apr 30, 2019

Diehardblues said:
There are HOF and well respected HC without a championship.

But they at least played for them...………...name me one NFL HOF head coach that won nothing but Wildcard games.

Beast_from_East · Apr 30, 2019

Idgit said:
As long as we’re clear that the opposition used to be that he couldn’t coach. Then that he couldn’t get over .500. Then he couldn’t win without Romo because Romo was the reason his teams won. Then the opposition switched to he couldn’t win a playoff game. Now it’s that he can’t get to the NFCCG.

If you look at the quality of those 2010-2013 teams, I don’t agree that anybody ought to have been expecting playoff runs from them. They were pretty bad teams until 2014 when we finally revamped the roster and got through the cap issues.

Yeah, more is expected of a head coach in his 9th NFL season than his first.

Did I really have to just say this?

So the teams were bad until 2014............ok, this is now 2019.......time to get over the hump.

Diehardblues · Apr 30, 2019

Beast_from_East said:
But they at least played for them...………...name me one NFL HOF head coach that won nothing but Wildcard games.

Can’t think of any but they coached for more than 10 years. And none in this puppetry atmosphere.

Again, comparing our situation to others isn’t a fair comparison.

When Garretts coaching career is over then we might be able to draw a better comparison.

Diehardblues · Apr 30, 2019

I’m not saying Garrett is a great HC . I just think he’s good for the dysfunctional situation we have.

Beast_from_East · Apr 30, 2019

Diehardblues said:
We’ve been in position 3 times in last 5 years basically a play or two away from a championship appearance.

Your definition of being in position is different from mine.

Being in the SB or being in the game that sends you to the SB is "being in position". Losing in the second round is not being in position, it means you just weren't good enough.

Isn't that what you just argued, that the roster is not good enough compared with the final 4 teams? Now you seem to be changing your argument and claim we were just a play or two away. So which is it?

Beast_from_East · Apr 30, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Can’t think of any but they coached for more than 10 years. And none in this puppetry atmosphere.

Again, comparing our situation to others isn’t a fair comparison.

When Garretts coaching career is over then we might be able to draw a better comparison.

We are going to add up all his Wildcard wins?

And that will tell us what exactly?

cowboyblue22 · Apr 30, 2019

if the cowboys make the playoffs and make a deep playoff run then garrett will get his extension as he should if they don't make the playoffs then he along with lots of others will be someplace else next year

Idgit · Apr 30, 2019

Beast_from_East said:
Yeah, more is expected of a head coach in his 9th NFL season than his first.

Did I really have to just say this?

So the teams were bad until 2014............ok, this is now 2019.......time to get over the hump.

The issue with those early teams was personnel more than coaching. I believe nobody in the NFC has won more games than Garrett has, since. And only Belichick in the AFC unless that changed late last year.

I agree: it’s time to get over the last two humps.

Beast_from_East · Apr 30, 2019

Idgit said:
The issue with those early teams was personnel more than coaching. I believe nobody in the NFC has won more games than Garrett has, since. And only Belichick in the AFC unless that changed late last year.

I agree: it’s time to get over the last two humps.

That's true...……...Garrett has won just as many regular season games, if not more, than the other teams in the league over the recent past.

That is why his lack of playoff success is so troubling. The other teams that win a lot in the regular season carry that over to the postseason, but Garrett hasn't. That is a problem. The question must be asked, why? Why are the other teams consistently winning in both the regular season and the postseason but Garrett for some reason cannot carry over his regular season success.

Like I said in another thread, if Garrett has as much success in the postseason as he has had in the regular season, he would be considered one of the best coaches in the NFL. As it stands right now, its just puzzling why he cant get this team over the hump.

Diehardblues · Apr 30, 2019

Beast_from_East said:
Your definition of being in position is different from mine.

Being in the SB or being in the game that sends you to the SB is "being in position". Losing in the second round is not being in position, it means you just weren't good enough.

Isn't that what you just argued, that the roster is not good enough compared with the final 4 teams? Now you seem to be changing your argument and claim we were just a play or two away. So which is it?

I’m saying we were in position to take the next step which in this case would have been a championship appearance . Yes, a play or two away could be argued at least in a couple of those divisional playoff games.

That’s my feeling. Obviously yours could be different.

Personally I didn’t believe we were good enough but the point remains we were in position if we had been. IMO that’s what coaching is all about. Placing your team in position to make the plays to win.

Idgit · Apr 30, 2019

Beast_from_East said:
That's true...……...Garrett has won just as many regular season games, if not more, than the other teams in the league over the recent past.

That is why his lack of playoff success is so troubling. The other teams that win a lot in the regular season carry that over to the postseason, but Garrett hasn't. That is a problem. The question must be asked, why? Why are the other teams consistently winning in both the regular season and the postseason but Garrett for some reason cannot carry over his regular season success.

Like I said in another thread, if Garrett has as much success in the postseason as he has had in the regular season, he would be considered one of the best coaches in the NFL. As it stands right now, its just puzzling why he cant get this team over the hump.

Let me ask you this, then. How troubling have the Saints' losses been in the playoffs the last two seasons? The back breaker they gave up when Diggs beat the coverage deep on the last play of the game v. MIN, and the blown officiating call that cost them the Superbowl? Neither were coaching errors in my book. Both cost his team the chance to advance to at least the conference championship.

It's a one-and-done playoff. A bad call ("Dez caught it" "Unsportsmanlike conduct, Brice Butler") or an inability to make a play in coverage on 4th and 14 against Aaron Rodgers can end your season. It doesn't mean you're not coaching right. It means this league is about players, matchups, coaching, and luck. Any one of those things can beat you on any given weekend.

Diehardblues · Apr 30, 2019

Beast_from_East said:
That's true...……...Garrett has won just as many regular season games, if not more, than the other teams in the league over the recent past.

That is why his lack of playoff success is so troubling. The other teams that win a lot in the regular season carry that over to the postseason, but Garrett hasn't. That is a problem. The question must be asked, why? Why are the other teams consistently winning in both the regular season and the postseason but Garrett for some reason cannot carry over his regular season success.

Like I said in another thread, if Garrett has as much success in the postseason as he has had in the regular season, he would be considered one of the best coaches in the NFL. As it stands right now, its just puzzling why he cant get this team over the hump.

Great question.

My first thought is we are simply out matched deeper in the playoffs. Our regular season record over a few stretch of years has been good because of a consistent product while not having a great product. And all three divisional playoff losses actually were from different causes IMO which is difficult to lump them all into one explanation.

And I’d be curious what time frame were using for that particular analysis. Is that last 5 years or duration of Garret’s tenure? Because several of the better teams now just recently emerged like KC and LA .

Ranched · Apr 30, 2019

Streetwise said:
The current era has been pretty good, so I'm eager to see how this season plays out.
Many coaching improvements as well as drafting. 2 division titles in 3 years to build on this coming season.
We know he is at least starting the season as HC, so all the nonsense about him not having hands on things is just BS.

What's more, should Garrett take the Boys to another division title, the Cowboys will be the first team in the NFCE to have back-to-back division titles. :thumbup:

I betcha that one's being Googled after reading

AbeBeta said:
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Diehardblues · Apr 30, 2019

Idgit said:
The issue with those early teams was personnel more than coaching. I believe nobody in the NFC has won more games than Garrett has, since. And only Belichick in the AFC unless that changed late last year.

I agree: it’s time to get over the last two humps.

I think everyone is frustrated and ready to take the next step. But expecting our HC to be the sole cause or solution appears agenda or scapegoat driven to me. Much like those who bashed Romo for years. As you said so well in one of your post , there’s always contributing factors.

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