Why Cobb? His last 4 years were meh. Last year double meh

TheCount said:

Not sure where you're getting your numbers, but both Beasley and Cobb have averaged 10.1 yards over the past four seasons according to Pro Football Reference, unless my math is wrong.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BeasCo00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CobbRa00.htm

and of course Cobb was better than Beasley early, the guy was a 2nd round pick.

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Maybe Cobb will surprise me, but their is a reason Beasley is making 3-4 times what Cobb is making. We did not use Beasley to his full potential, maybe Moore will get the most out of Cobb.

Denim Chicken said:

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10 less games and better stats than the great Cole Beasley? Simply amazing.

So Cobb was meh the last four years.
But he put up roughly 2400 yards and 16 TDs.

Beasley put up roughly 2400 yards and 17 TD.


Only Cobb wanted less money and accepted less years. And he’s shown the ability to be more, because as you said his last four years were just meh compared to his early play. Beasley never once out together a top season like cobb has.


That’s why we signed him.

Captain43Crash said:

Maybe Cobb will surprise me, but their is a reason Beasley is making 3-4 times what Cobb is making. We did not use Beasley to his full potential, maybe Moore will get the most out of Cobb.

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Jimmy Garropolo is making 17X more than dak! BUT THERE MUST BE A REASON RIGHT?!

per *target* means absolutely nothing to me. That tells me nothing about the throw. Was it good, bad, a throw away, etc?

xwalker said:

His yards/reception the past 4 years are better than Beasley (11.0 vs 10.3) and better than Witten (11.0 vs 9.7).

Small Sample Size
Rico and Jarwin don't have enough catches for yards/reception to be meaningful.

Outside WR vs Slot WR
Cobb/ Beasley are slot WRs. Slot WRs have lower yards/reception than outside WRs.

Cobb was much better than Beasley earlier in his career and his "declining" years have still been better than both Beasley's career yards/reception and Beasley's past 4 years.

Beasley (past 4 years):
yards, receptions, average
2355, 228, 10.3

Cobb (past 4 years):
2675, 243, 11.0

Beasley (career):
3271, 319, 10.3

Cobb (career)
5524, 470, 11.8

yards/reception
Beasley
8.5 2012
9.4
11.4
10.3
11.1
8.7
10.3 2018

Cobb
15.0
11.9 2012
14
14.1
10.5
10.2
9.9
10.1 2018

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Now do yards per *target*.
Except for 2017, when Beasley was the guy getting doubled, Beasley was better on yards per target, and significantly.

JBell said:

I would've been cool with Isabella at #58. But I guess it's inevitable that you have to plug some holes with stopgaps. I think we should be fine milking a year out of Cobb while we look for a long term solution next year.

Not sure if Hurns will be ready coming off that gruesome injury, but if Pollard is as nice as they think he is, he should be able to steal some snaps away in the slot.

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I'd trust Hurns more than Pollard as a possession receiver for 3rd downs. I think they brought in Cobb for reliable execution out of the slot. Pollard could make more happen with the ball in his hands, but I wouldn't expect a rookie quasi WR to execute better than Cobb.

xwalker said:

FYI:
Cobb has 4M guaranteed.
Hurns has Zero guaranteed.

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Spotrac says 2 guaranteed for Cobb. LTBE 2.5 more.

They've already said they plan on asking Hurns to take a haircut from his 5 more LTBE. I'd expect down to 2.5 or so, comparable to Cobb's remaining LTBE.

This might be the year two undrafted free agents again make the team like Austin and Hurd in 2006. Hurns and Cobb might not make this team.

Jake said:

I share your doubts about Cobb, but Hurns is basically a waste of a roster spot.

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Hurns

Hawkeye0202 said:

Actually, it is but paying him $2M signing bonus pretty guarantee they're not cutting him...

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Sunk cost.
We cut Carroll outright when we had better players.
We cut Thornton too.
Management seems to understand sunk costs these days, and particularly when it's money for free agents. They're buying insurance against their drafted players not being up to snuff. When the car doesn't wreck, you don't need the insurance.

Cobb still has 2.5m remaining LTBE. That's probably about what they'll offer Hurns in his haircut, and more than any of the other WRs Cobb is competing with. Cobb needs to be *better* than the alternatives, or he's cut. Significantly better than the younger, cheaper players we have future rights to.

Cobb gives us a little bit of the best of Hurns, Pollard, and Austin. But the best of each of them is better than Cobb's little bit. I think it comes down to reliable 3rd down conversions, and that's Hurns, although you never know what the young guys will bring. Maybe they'll give that role to Gallup if another young WR shines. Nice route runner, supposed to be good for yac, his execution improved through the year. Or maybe Wilson becomes the slot WR. Nice big target. That Devin Smith dude is another guy to watch for.

Cobbs has got to be *better* than playing the younger guys *and* developing them. "We like our guys". Cobb is not one of our guys.

buybuydandavis said:

Spotrac says 2 guaranteed for Cobb. LTBE 2.5 more.

They've already said they plan on asking Hurns to take a haircut from his 5 more LTBE. I'd expect down to 2.5 or so, comparable to Cobb's remaining LTBE.

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Randall Cobb signed a one year contract with the Dallas Cowboys on March 21, 2019. The contract is worth $5 million with $4 million guaranteed. Cobb received a $2 million signing bonus and $2 million salary guarantee. Cobb can earn up to $1 million ($62,500 per game active) in roster bonuses.

silver said:

This might be the year two undrafted free agents again make the team like Austin and Hurd in 2006. Hurns and Cobb might not make this team.

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Cedrick Wilson is the guy Hurns has to worry about. Big possession WR for the red zone.

And Mr. Foot.

xwalker said:

Randall Cobb signed a one year contract with the Dallas Cowboys on March 21, 2019. The contract is worth $5 million with $4 million guaranteed. Cobb received a $2 million signing bonus and $2 million salary guarantee. Cobb can earn up to $1 million ($62,500 per game active) in roster bonuses.

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Who says the salary is guaranteed?

Not spotrac or over the cap. 2mil gtd at both.

https://overthecap.com/player/randall-cobb/1130/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/randall-cobb-7783/

TheCount said:

Not sure where you're getting your numbers, but both Beasley and Cobb have averaged 10.1 yards over the past four seasons according to Pro Football Reference, unless my math is wrong.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BeasCo00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CobbRa00.htm

and of course Cobb was better than Beasley early, the guy was a 2nd round pick.

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Per target is a better metric. Pretty sure that Beasley wins that one. Wins 3/4 years, and last year. Last year by almost a yard and a half.

Chuck 54 said:

It’s what you do in free agency. We have guys who can excel in the slot. Cobb was all about depth and competition and making sure you don’t have to draft a guy for need higher than you should.

Maybe Cobb has a great year or maybe he doesn’t make the team....so what? It was a good signing that doesn’t tie us to him. If he doesn’t make the team, it means we have other guys outperforming him.

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This. Cobb was insurance. Good insurance. Most of our free agent signings are insurance. But it doesn't look like we'll need it.

Doomsday101 said:

Only problem I see with Cobb has been health in recent years between hamstring and ankle it has slowed him down.

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Cobb's yards per target have been "slowed down" for 4 years now.

buybuydandavis said:

Who says the salary is guaranteed?

Not spotrac or over the cap. 2mil gtd at both.

https://overthecap.com/player/randall-cobb/1130/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/randall-cobb-7783/

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What I posted was a cut and paste from OverTheCap.

If you are looking at OTC on a phone, be sure to view it in landscape mode. They hide some columns when viewing in portrait from a mobile device.

Denim Chicken said:

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Targets to make that production:
Cobb 366
Beasley 323