Would Hill have gone 1st round if not for attitude?

Hardline · May 3, 2019

kskboys said:
All teams draft for traits. If they're smart.

Most teams draft according to proven skills

cnuball21 · May 3, 2019

Toruk_Makto said:
We don't ask the 3 tech to be a run stopper.

Also that's a matter of technique and discipline not ability.

As I've stated numerous times you make fewer mistakes when you take big over little. Especially when that big is a big time athlete with a skill that translates favorably to the NFL.

/shrug.

Why in the world would we not want a DT to effect the run? You don think Marinelli would be ecstatic if he got better run D from his DTs against Indy and Rams?

Wherever this misconception came from that DTs just eat blocks so LBs make tackles is insane.

G2 · May 3, 2019

Alexander said:
It would have been a pretty awesome feat.

Actually, it is not common that a college staff buries a player and he still goes in the 2nd round.

I can appreciate that Marinelli trusts Frost, but that is a huge deal. That is us basically telling the current staff at UCF that they don't know what they were dealing with.

They blocked him from transferring with other players. Sounds like they don't know what they're dealing with.

Sydla · May 3, 2019

He would have potentially been a first round if he actually played better.

kskboys · May 3, 2019

Hardline said:
Most teams draft according to proven skills

No, they don't. There are no proven skills of college prospects. That really doesn't make sense.

kskboys · May 3, 2019

cnuball21 said:
Why in the world would we not want a DT to effect the run? You don think Marinelli would be ecstatic if he got better run D from his DTs against Indy and Rams?

Wherever this misconception came from that DTs just eat blocks so LBs make tackles is insane.

I find it very strange the Marinelli/Jerry don't comprehend the effects a big dude has on a D. Raji, Knighton, Wilfork, Alan Branch, all were important cogs in their team's super bowl runs. Thing is, unless they're consistently disruptive like Wilfork, you cannot afford to overpay them. That's why the Pats employ a strategy of signing, using, then walking away from them as soon as they want a big contract. They let Branch and Brown walk, but then immediately replaced them w/ Danny Shelton, a huge guy. And while Belly does not play them every down, they are very important to the rotation and at times real difference makers.

waldoputty · May 3, 2019

Sydla said:
He would have potentially been a first round if he actually played better.

true, but supposedly he was more productive on a per snap basis compared to top dt's like oliver

Hardline · May 3, 2019

kskboys said:
No, they don't. There are no proven skills of college prospects. That really doesn't make sense.

Actually there is. That's the very basis on what determines the round the player is taken. First rounders are never taken on traits. you get your trait players in undrafted free agency. I can't believe I have to explain this.

kskboys · May 3, 2019

Hardline said:
Actually there is. That's the very basis on what determines the round the player is taken. First rounders are never taken on traits. you get your trait players in undrafted free agency. I can't believe I have to explain this.

There is no explanation that works, because you are incorrect. I can't believe I have to explain this!!!!!!!

All players are taken on traits. Players who are taken strictly on production often flop. College production is a very poor indicator of pro success. It is different for every position, of course. Production can and should be taken into consideration, just as all data should be. However, the players who consistently produce do so due to traits. First step quickness, lateral agility, burst out of the breaks, strength, motor. Those are the major ones for positions aside from QB. Drafting a QB is a horse of a different color, I think we can all agree to that.

CouchCoach · May 3, 2019

Don't think so in this class but with his measurables, and a man that can have a vertical of 35" at his size is nuts. He also doesn't fit the systems of some of these DC's.

However, his ceiling is higher than some of the DT's taken ahead of him and, in the first round, and is exactly what fits Marinelli's system.

I think as more details come to light about that coaching change at UCF and his reaction, more teams are going to think that might have let that enter their grading a little too much.

This latest about being denied by UCF to transfer to be with his HC is about as dumb as it gets. The kid doesn't want to play for you, let him go. But he was their best DL and too many wanted to follow Frost, the guy really responsible for people even knowing UCF existed.

Hill will not be measured against the other DL in this draft, he will be measured against the Safety's that the Cowboys passed on by a lot in this forum...….the Greg Ellis Syndrome.

Doomsday101 · May 3, 2019

Always hard to play the what if game, I will say if his snap count was greatly reduced then that is less opportunity to be on the field making plays and could have cost him in the draft

Hennessy_King · May 3, 2019

CouchCoach said:
Don't think so in this class but with his measurables, and a man that can have a vertical of 35" at his size is nuts. He also doesn't fit the systems of some of these DC's.

However, his ceiling is higher than some of the DT's taken ahead of him and, in the first round, and is exactly what fits Marinelli's system.

I think as more details come to light about that coaching change at UCF and his reaction, more teams are going to think that might have let that enter their grading a little too much.

This latest about being denied by UCF to transfer to be with his HC is about as dumb as it gets. The kid doesn't want to play for you, let him go. But he was their best DL and too many wanted to follow Frost, the guy really responsible for people even knowing UCF existed.

Hill will not be measured against the other DL in this draft, he will be measured against the Safety's that the Cowboys passed on by a lot in this forum...….the Greg Ellis Syndrome.

I will be here to let everyone know when Thornhill gets an INT. I mean at this point I hope Hill plays better tho.

Walker · May 3, 2019

If Al Davis was around.

ABQCOWBOY · May 3, 2019

Guys, he's not a 1st round talent. If he were, his attitude wouldn't even matter. If he were a first round talent, teams would have overlooked it. Too many examples of idiots getting drafted in the first round with way worse attitudes. He might develop into a pretty solid player Hill is not a First Round talent IMO.

Still, it doesn't mean that he can't develop into a pretty nice player for us. He does have some tools.

Doomsday101 · May 3, 2019

Hennessy_King said:
I will be here to let everyone know when Thornhill gets an INT. I mean at this point I hope Hill plays better tho.

how about when he gets burned or misses a tackle? will you tell us that as well?

Hennessy_King · May 3, 2019

Doomsday101 said:
how about when he gets burned or misses a tackle? will you tell us that as well?

Yes I will.

jazzcat22 · May 3, 2019

Not sure if he would be a 1st or not. I don't think so. I think they still could have got him 5 picks or so lower. Maybe even 10.
But he is not like many with the typical "we don't like any player" post, as bad saying he is a project and all that. He will be productive in the rotation right away.

I had him in 2 mock drafts, one in the 2nd round and one in the 3rd round. Which does not mean thing.
But he was one of a few players I had in multiple mocks. Which still means nothing.
But the more I read about him, seen more on film. And seen the reasoning why he was not starting, but sure got a lot of playing time so it seems. The more I think we got good value. Maybe not 1st round value, maybe not high 2nd round value, like the top 6 or 8 in the 2nd round. But say 9 to 15 2nd round range.

speedkilz88 · May 3, 2019

If he had played more/produced more he could have been a 1st round pick. His physical talent is as good as many of the DL taken in the first round.

QuincyCarterEra · May 3, 2019

Had a mid-3rd on him without off field issues

This pick, the Pollard pick, Donovan Wilson, and DE Jackson all left a ton to be desired.

EPL0c0 · May 3, 2019

erod said:
David Irving would have, too.

I just hope Hill is more Frank Clark than David Irving...

Would Hill have gone 1st round if not for attitude?

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