Trysten Hill's transfer to Nebraska was blocked

Knotamus said:

This kid sounds like a player most would die for to have on their team. Seems like the incoming coaches at Central Florida are the ones with ‘Character issues’.. imo

Side note: I heard on the Draft show that the coaches called Dallas before the draft bc they knew Dallas was interested in Hill.. all they called for was to request Dallas to call the college ‘UCF’ because they didn’t want to be known as Central Florida anymore. LOL, what?! After hearing how they treated Hill and their own players.. na.. whatever Central Florida!

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Ummm. Schools rebrand often. That's got nothing to do with the player.

He's probably moved on. We should do the same.

AbeBeta said:

Ummm. Schools rebrand often. That's got nothing to do with the player.

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Right, I realize that..

It’s has everything to do with me being petty!

They mistreated this kid. Let’s see.. Central Florida convinces recruits to commit to them based on current coaching staff. Then the college fires the coaching staff and implements a totally diff scheme, structure, and attitudes. (well within their rights).

BUT! When recruits decide this isn’t what they signed up for and start transferring.. the college blocks or halts these players from leaving. I suppose this is within the college’s right also, but it sure neglects the students/players individual rights. Just sounds really shady on Central Florida’s part.

Then the college wants use the young player as an example and cut playing time when his not happy with the coaching staff. What’s the player/student suppose to do? Quit and lose his scholarship? Central Florida had Tristen by the balls and they knew it.. that’s dirty. Then they hurt his draft stock to the NFL by allowing this fallacy that HE has “character issues”! Yeah, You can say I take exception to this. So I’m allowed to be petty.. many folks on this board are far more petty over way less.

This helps explain why the Cowboys felt so comfortable with the kid's lack of playing time and why they spent so much time talking with Frost and his former staff at UCF.

rocyaice said:

I disagree. People just outright hated the Jaylon pick and most didn't even think he'd even play again. I felt like he was written off until reports came out about the whole brace and all of that. Gregory........I guess he'd be close but everyone sort of wrote him off as a weed head and probably wouldn't play a down. Hill..........nothing leading up to the draft about him and as soon as we get him its all of these reports....its just all over the place.

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I liked both the Jaylon and Gregory picks.

Bob-Lillys-War said:

I give Trysten Hill a couple of weeks before he clashes with Garrett .

The blame will be taken by Kellen Moore .

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Where's your evidence that he will do so?

AsthmaField said:

There’s no doubt in my mind that Hill has gotten way more flak than anything he deserved for what went on last year.

He’s been painted as a lazy, malcontent and a problem child. Everyone has been killing a fly with a sledgehammer here.

The kid didn’t do a whole lot wrong. Dallas did more than their due diligence and I have zero concerns about him. As far as I’m concerned, Dallas got a first round talent in the second round.

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LOL

Knotamus said:

Right, I realize that..

It’s has everything to do with me being petty!

They mistreated this kid. Let’s see.. Central Florida convinces recruits to commit to them based on current coaching staff. Then the college fires the coaching staff and implements a totally diff scheme, structure, and attitudes. (well within their rights).

BUT! When recruits decide this isn’t what they signed up for and start transferring.. the college blocks or halts these players from leaving. I suppose this is within the college’s right also, but it sure neglects the students/players individual rights. Just sounds really shady on Central Florida’s part.

Then the college wants use the young player as an example and cut playing time when his not happy with the coaching staff. What’s the player/student suppose to do? Quit and lose his scholarship? Central Florida had Tristen by the balls and they knew it.. that’s dirty. Then they hurt his draft stock to the NFL by allowing this fallacy that HE has “character issues”! Yeah, You can say I take exception to this. So I’m allowed to be petty.. many folks on this board are far more petty over way less.

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UCF didn't fire Frost.

He left on his own to take the Nebraska job. You really think the school would fire him after a perfect season and UCF making a claim they should of been in the NCF?
The team found out he left them after they won the AAC conference game.

He then started hiring coaches at UCF to join him and then started trying to flip recruits from UCF to Nebraska.

Hill would of had to sit the year out IIRC if he did transfer due to NCAA rules.

Is there anyone who believes that a coach who is fortunate enough to land a D-1 gig, earning millions of $, is not going to play the players who give him the best opportunity to win and keep that job? If so I've got a bridge for sale.

Setting aside for the moment the preceived attitude problems, you have to wonder or question to what extent was Hill's development as a player stymied by the new coaching staff. Just how much time do you think the new staff invested in teaching and player development if they believed Hill was a mal-content?

I don't if this happened, but if I am Hill, I would be supremely motivated to prove the naysayers wrong. Let's hope the private workouts and interviews showed Hill to have a real passion and talent for the game.

John813 said:

UCF didn't fire Frost.

He left on his own to take the Nebraska job. You really think the school would fire him after a perfect season and UCF making a claim they should of been in the NCF?
The team found out he left them after they won the AAC conference game.

He then started hiring coaches at UCF to join him and then started trying to flip recruits from UCF to Nebraska.

Hill would of had to sit the year out IIRC if he did transfer due to NCAA rules.

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Yep, my mistake. Fired or resigned, my point is still valid. Thanks for the rest of the info

sandbridge77 said:

Is there anyone who believes that a coach who is fortunate enough to land a D-1 gig, earning millions of $, is not going to play the players who give him the best opportunity to win and keep that job? If so I've got a bridge for sale.

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Right. And when it really mattered, they had Hill in there. I believe he started and played the entire AAC championship game. But there’s pretty compelling evidence that they held the kid back some, even at the cost of hurting themselves.

buybuydandavis said:

I liked both the Jaylon and Gregory picks.

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I had hope for the Jaylon pick and definitely was against the Gregory pick. Dude lied to the world on draft day and continued lying about his commitment

rocyaice said:

I've never seen a more polarizing 2nd round draft pick in recent memory.

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Jaylon?

I would've loved to see him play for the Nebraska Cornhuskers.

Knotamus said:

Right, I realize that..

It’s has everything to do with me being petty!

They mistreated this kid. Let’s see.. Central Florida convinces recruits to commit to them based on current coaching staff. Then the college fires the coaching staff and implements a totally diff scheme, structure, and attitudes. (well within their rights).

BUT! When recruits decide this isn’t what they signed up for and start transferring.. the college blocks or halts these players from leaving. I suppose this is within the college’s right also, but it sure neglects the students/players individual rights. Just sounds really shady on Central Florida’s part.

Then the college wants use the young player as an example and cut playing time when his not happy with the coaching staff. What’s the player/student suppose to do? Quit and lose his scholarship? Central Florida had Tristen by the balls and they knew it.. that’s dirty. Then they hurt his draft stock to the NFL by allowing this fallacy that HE has “character issues”! Yeah, You can say I take exception to this. So I’m allowed to be petty.. many folks on this board are far more petty over way less.

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Wow. I'm a UCF grad and there is a lot here that needs clarification. Frost left, he was not fired. UCF tried to keep him. They parted on such good terms that Frost came back to coach the team for their bowl game after being named coach of Nebraska.

The decision to block transfers to certain schools is a common practice amongst all universities and is in place to protect the Universities from tampering. Teams do this all the time when a coach goes to another school. Scott Frost blocked a running back transferring to other big ten school from Nebraska last year. It is an NCAA approved rule to help prevent tampering with players on scholarship at other Universities. All universities use this.

UCF players were allowed to transfer to any other school they wanted with the teams blessing except Nebraska. Hill's request to transfer was blocked, but it was surprising to no one. Hill still could have transferred anywhere in the country and even briefly entertained it, but decided to stay at UCF. There was not any malice at the time he made his decision, as he had a lot of very close friends on the team.

Last season boils down to Hill not quite meshing with Randy Shannon and the new 4-3 scheme after two years as a nose guard in a 3-4. He was not in the starting line-up most weeks because of that. He did play as much as the starters. Shannon never once bad mouthed Hill and Hill never bad mouthed the coaches (at least not publicly). I heard rumblings that Hill sulked some in practice, but it never showed on the field. Shannon just felt Hill could do better, that's it. There was no malice.

Honestly, after watching every game he was in, the second round was his absolute ceiling. Had he gone to Nebraska he would have stayed a 3-4 Nose Guard and never been on Dallas's radar as anything other than a late round projection.

JohnnyHopkins said:

Wow. I'm a UCF grad and there is a lot here that needs clarification. Frost left, he was not fired. UCF tried to keep him. They parted on such good terms that Frost came back to coach the team for their bowl game after being named coach of Nebraska.

The decision to block transfers to certain schools is a common practice amongst all universities and is in place to protect the Universities from tampering. Teams do this all the time when a coach goes to another school. Scott Frost blocked a running back transferring to other big ten school from Nebraska last year. It is an NCAA approved rule to help prevent tampering with players on scholarship at other Universities. All universities use this.

UCF players were allowed to transfer to any other school they wanted with the teams blessing except Nebraska. Hill's request to transfer was blocked, but it was surprising to no one. Hill still could have transferred anywhere in the country and even briefly entertained it, but decided to stay at UCF. There was not any malice at the time he made his decision, as he had a lot of very close friends on the team.

Last season boils down to Hill not quite meshing with Randy Shannon and the new 4-3 scheme after two years as a nose guard in a 3-4. He was not in the starting line-up most weeks because of that. He did play as much as the starters. Shannon never once bad mouthed Hill and Hill never bad mouthed the coaches (at least not publicly). I heard rumblings that Hill sulked some in practice, but it never showed on the field. Shannon just felt Hill could do better, that's it. There was no malice.

Honestly, after watching every game he was in, the second round was his absolute ceiling. Had he gone to Nebraska he would have stayed a 3-4 Nose Guard and never been on Dallas's radar as anything other than a late round projection.

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interesting. i did check and it is an approved rule that was just amended last summer because of all the issues like this. oh i definitely see that the new coaches did dallas a favor dinging his draft value. and the reports said he played the 4th most minutes on the dl, which does not make sense for the best guy on the dl playing less than 50% of the snaps. that is especially true when hill was more productive on a per snap basis than someone like ed oliver taken as #9 overall in the draft.

why was nebraska blocked other than that would be where all the students wanted to go to because they know the coach? seems like a 'pr' thing to say as that essentially blocked their movement. thus the article congratulating the coach for blocking said movement?

why was hill only sparingly played in the fiesta bowl if he had such an amazing game the week before in the conference championship with 2 sacks etc. that does not make any sense except to hurt his draft value. seems like a blatant attempt to coerce him to go back to school the next year.

waldoputty said:

not sure if this totally explains the bad blood between Hill and the new coaches at UCF, but according to: https://www.sportsmediapass.com/2019/01/13/ucf-2018-season-post-mortem/

"Heupel deserves a lot of credit. He was able to limit the amount of disruption while starting to integrate his philosophy into the program. Attrition was surprisingly light. Backup quarterback Noah Vedral left to return to his home state of Nebraska, which didn’t surprise anyone. Other players like Trysten Hill tried to follow, but the school was able to block the transfers. Vedral was willing to drop his scholarship to go to Nebraska. Other players were not. This helped keep the roster largely intact."

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I don’t know how cooperative I would have been if I had been blocked like this either.

underdark said:

I don’t know how cooperative I would have been if I had been blocked like this either.

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i am sure hill had some maturity issues that made things worse. however i do suspect he learned a lot from the experience, having lost many millions of $.

who doesn't have some maturity issues in there late teens early 20's? My Lord...if only I knew then what I know now lol..