My problem with the draft

xwalker

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i disagree. the beginning of the 4th has always been where the leftover higher rated players are picked up. that is probably because teams had a night to think things over.

they did like johnson and argued over him.
there could have been a safety also...

There are not facts to support that concept.
 

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mcclay has to follow priorities he has been given
this looks like a salary cap move
I think your concept, while well meaning, acts as if you are dealing with a video game and the computer has a given and set algorithm for trades that is easily manipulated. That said, you completely lost me when you brought the salary cap into the discussion.
 

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I think your concept, while well meaning, acts as if you are dealing with a video game and the computer has a given and set algorithm for trades that is easily manipulated. That said, you completely lost me when you brought the salary cap into the discussion.

there was a lot of movement in the early part of the 4th round, which means the cowboys should have been able to move there if they so desired.

salary cap is relevant because they are planning for free agency in 2020 when cowboys have ~35 free agents. thus they are settling for less performance in 2019 with rookies and less vets.
 

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McClay mentioned this yesterday in the interview with Broaddus and Co. They thought the strength of the draft was in the mid rounds which is why they traded back and went for more players when their targets didn't make their pick. The same applied to undrafted free agents, lots of draftable grades in our UDFA's per McClay.
 

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McClay mentioned this yesterday in the interview with Broaddus and Co. They thought the strength of the draft was in the mid rounds which is why they traded back and went for more players when their targets didn't make their pick. The same applied to undrafted free agents, lots of draftable grades in our UDFA's per McClay.

that may be true. however the clear example is they settled for jackson instead of johnson. jackson is similar to johnson but without the makeup speed.
 

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I thought it was sarcasm.

It is.

But with that he tried to put it like we dont have a bad QB. Which in fact we have. Thats why i couldnt give him my likey.

I just tried to be sarcastic with his sarcasm.
 

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there was a lot of movement in the early part of the 4th round, which means the cowboys should have been able to move there if they so desired.

salary cap is relevant because they are planning for free agency in 2020 when cowboys have ~35 free agents. thus they are settling for less performance in 2019 with rookies and less vets.
That's assuming the folks they drafted are good enough to be useful - good enough to knock currently useful players off a deep roster. I doubt it had to do with salary cap as much as it is a statistical crap shoot to find good talent in the draft and the more opportunities you get to pick, the more likely you are to find a player that's useful. Again, I don't think the salary cap has much (if anything) to do with it.
 

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That's assuming the folks they drafted are good enough to be useful - good enough to knock currently useful players off a deep roster. I doubt it had to do with salary cap as much as it is a statistical crap shoot to find good talent in the draft and the more opportunities you get to pick, the more likely you are to find a player that's useful. Again, I don't think the salary cap has much (if anything) to do with it.

dont agree. i think they drafted these players to be kept. think most will be kept except those they can stash on the p.s. even though it would require cutting some vets who may offer more in 2019.
 

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dont agree. i think they drafted these players to be kept. think most will be kept except those they can stash on the p.s. even though it would require cutting some vets who may offer more in 2019.
I'll be willing to concede your point if that's legitimately what happens in Sept. It would go against the Cowboys' often unwillingness to move on from the status quo when the status quo is decent. I think they'll have trouble keeping many players from this class. I'm not sure what the right number is to justify your point, but last year they kept 8 rookies on the 53-man roster - and one of those was the kicker. I don't think that's an unusually high number. If there are more than 8 from this draft/UDFA class I'll be surprised.
 

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I'll be willing to concede your point if that's legitimately what happens in Sept. It would go against the Cowboys' often unwillingness to move on from the status quo when the status quo is decent. I think they'll have trouble keeping many players from this class. I'm not sure what the right number is to justify your point, but last year they kept 8 rookies on the 53-man roster - and one of those was the kicker. I don't think that's an unusually high number. If there are more than 8 from this draft/UDFA class I'll be surprised.

we shall see. my point is for the team at this stage, it should be quality over quantity. others have had the same issue. 8 is a lot to keep given we only had a 2nd, 3rd and 2 4ths.

just curious, have you noticed that the top third/half of the 4th round in every draft almost always have higher rated players that were missed in the 2nd day. i notice it every year myself.
 

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we shall see. my point is for the team at this stage, it should be quality over quantity. others have had the same issue. 8 is a lot to keep given we only had a 2nd, 3rd and 2 4ths.

just curious, have you noticed that the top third/half of the 4th round in every draft almost always have higher rated players that were missed in the 2nd day. i notice it every year myself.
8 seems high, but there is natural turnover every year. I haven't done the research but I bet it's fairly normal. I do notice that there is usually a section of folks that the draft pundits call steals available in the early fourth round every year, but I wonder how many of those guys pan out. There's a reason guys drop - some are simply not that good. I agree with your premise that we should be focusing on quality acquisitions with our current roster, but in the draft it's hard to accurately project more than about the top dozen guys anyway.
 

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8 seems high, but there is natural turnover every year. I haven't done the research but I bet it's fairly normal. I do notice that there is usually a section of folks that the draft pundits call steals available in the early fourth round every year, but I wonder how many of those guys pan out. There's a reason guys drop - some are simply not that good. I agree with your premise that we should be focusing on quality acquisitions with our current roster, but in the draft it's hard to accurately project more than about the top dozen guys anyway.

we probably have a turnover of 8 in typical years, but this team is really deep.
i just recall some of those players in the early 4th round doing good things like a small de taken by the bengals.
well it is clear their strategy is to draft players late that would be sleeper udfas. i see that and it is a good strategy.
the johnson vs. jackson thing bothers me the most as it is clear they preferred johnson.
 

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i really liked the 2nd and 3rd round picks. the value based approach made sense because it was known that it was a deep draft to about player 100.

but look at what happened after the 3rd round. the cowboys did not trade up even though the top half of the 4th round had better players that people wanted. and everyone knew that including all the teams. instead they kept sitting around again wanting to keep all their picks. while one may say that it was too expensive to trade up, that was simply not true. the patriots even traded ahead of cowboys in the 3rd with a 5th and a 2020 4th. imagined if cowboys got damien harris that was along with their picks...

players were traded ahead of the cowboys' #128 pick for pollard. in fact, picks 104, 109, 111, 114, 116.

even after cowboys' #128, others traded up before cowboys' 2nd 4th round pick, for example atlanta traded for #135 to take DE cominsky.

imagine if cowboys traded for picks to take rb damien harris and cb johnson while giving up their 2nd 4th, 5th and both 7th picks and perhap a 5th from 2020. their 2019 draft would be hill, mcgovern, rb harris, pollard, s hooker (or cb johnson). this draft would have been much more exciting.


Patriots trade up

Patriots receive:
» 2019 third-round pick (No. 87; select RB Damien Harris)

Bears receive:
» 2019 fifth-round pick (No. 162; trade to Minnesota)
» 2020 fourth-round pick

Bengals move up

Bengals receive:
» 2019 fourth-round pick (No. 104; select QB Ryan Finley)

49ers receive:
» 2019 fourth-round pick (No. 110; select P Mitch Wishnowsky)
» 2019 sixth-round pick (No. 183; select T Justin Skule)

Raiders swap with Colts

Colts receive:
» 2019 fourth-round (No. 109; select S Khari Willis)

Raiders receive:
» 2019 fourth-round (No. 129; select CB Isaiah Johnson)
» 2019 fourth-round (No. 135; trade to Atlanta)

Falcons trade up

Falcons receive:
» 2019 fourth-round (No. 111; select CB Kendall Sheffield)

Lions receive:
» 2019 fourth-round (No. 117; select DE Austin Bryant)
» 2019 sixth-round (No. 186; select RB Ty Johnson)

Vikings trade up

Vikings receive:
» 2019 fourth-round (No. 114; select G Dru Samia)

Seahawks receive:
» 2019 fourth-round (No. 120; select WR Gary Jennings)
» 2019 sixth-round (No. 204; select RB Travis Homer)

Tennessee moves up

Titans receive:
» 2019 fourth-round (No. 116; select S Amani Hooker)
» 2019 fifth-round (No. 168; select LB D'Andre Walker)

Jets receive:
» 2019 fourth-round (No. 121; select TE Trevon Wesco)
» 2019 fifth-round (No. 157; select LB Blake Cashman)

Denver trades for player

Broncos receive:
» 2019 sixth-round (No. 212; trade to Panthers)
» LB Dekoda Watson

49ers receive:
» 2019 fifth-round (No. 148; select LB Dre Greenlaw)

Rams trade up to draft DT

Rams receive:
» 2019 fourth-round (No. 134; select DT Greg Gaines)
» 2019 seventh-round (No. 243; select S Nick Scott)

Patriots receive:
» 2019 fifth-round (No. 162; trade to Minnesota)
» 2019 fifth-round (No. 167; trade to Philadelphia)

Atlanta trades up

Falcons receive:
» 2019 fourth-round (No. 135; select DE John Cominsky)

Raiders receive:
» 2019 fourth-round (No. 137; select TE Foster Moreau)
» 2019 seventh-round (No. 230; select DE Quinton Bell)
Dallas needs to study what New England does, the Pats just are good and stay good. Dallas did that when Jimmy was there.
PS the Pats beat the stealers and keep them down ----Hate thoss suck stealers :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 

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I like them since they beat the crap out the thing I hate most in this world the suck stealers. So go New England as long as they are not playing the Cowboys.

i hate steelers, new england, patriots and 49ers. almost about the same as the eagles.
no other team is worth hating.
 
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