Richard - I think he's why we don't draft safeties

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its May...a lot can change before and during camp. I do love the signing of Westry. I think we will convert him over to safety. He has ball skills for days.
 
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buybuydandavis said:
I like Richard's philosophy for the secondary. SS in the box, CBs playing press and underneath, FS protecting all over the top.

This strategy calls for and *allows* bigger, stronger, longer, but maybe not so fast, at all DB positions but FS. That's also *cheaper* at all positions but FS.

If an Earl Thomas comes along for FS, we might try for him. We did, in fact. But I doubt any of the safeties at 58 and beyond were supposed to be Earl.

Looking at the guys we took, I see size and *long arms*, and guys we didn't have to spend premium picks on.
CB - Mike Jackson - 6-1 32 1/2
SS - Donovan Wilson - 6-0 33 3/8
CB - Mike Westry - 6-4 33 3/4

Everything is going exactly as planned. Teams thinking we were going to pick a safety high served our interests.

But not taking strong safeties or CBs early is a feature and benefit of a Richard secondary. Get used to it.

EDIT: I would change the title to "Richard - Not picking SSs or CBs early is a feature, not a bug"
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Dude’s been a DC assistant coach for ONE flippin’ season and he’s why we don’t draft safeties??!?
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This is not 100% true especially with our bend dont break style defense. We play off and keep everything in front of us. Mediocre secondary play allows QBs to get rid of the ball faster due to our trash scheme of playing off and not being aggressive. It's actually counterintuitive
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GenoT said:
Dude’s been a DC assistant coach for ONE flippin’ season and he’s why we don’t draft safeties??!?
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Richard is a sufficient reason we didn't draft one high this year, and are unlikely to in the future unless it's Earl II. See the last sentence. I would have changed the title if I could have.
EDIT: I would change the title to "Richard - Not picking SSs or CBs early is a feature, not a bug"​
 
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buybuydandavis said:
That's about how I see it.

They'll spend to get a true single high FS. For in the box guys, they think they can get them cheaper. And they're right. Barry Church cost nothing to draft and little to extend, although I thought we were paying too much at the end.

Frazier just didn't pan out for us.
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For a 6th round pick, Frazier has turned out just fine. He's an excellent special teams player who is on the field for all Special Teams plays except field goals and extra points. That's a good return on a 6th round pick. Really.
 

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Jumbo075 said:
For a 6th round pick, Frazier has turned out just fine. He's an excellent special teams player who is on the field for all Special Teams plays except field goals and extra points. That's a good return on a 6th round pick. Really.
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I'm fine with Frazier as a pick. I was talking about getting an in the box SS cheap. Frazier didn't pan out for that. At least they didn't think so.
 
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buybuydandavis said:
I like Richard's philosophy for the secondary. SS in the box, CBs playing press and underneath, FS protecting all over the top.

This strategy calls for and *allows* bigger, stronger, longer, but maybe not so fast, at all DB positions but FS. That's also *cheaper* at all positions but FS.

If an Earl Thomas comes along for FS, we might try for him. We did, in fact. But I doubt any of the safeties at 58 and beyond were supposed to be Earl.

Looking at the guys we took, I see size and *long arms*, and guys we didn't have to spend premium picks on.
CB - Mike Jackson - 6-1 32 1/2
SS - Donovan Wilson - 6-0 33 3/8
CB - Mike Westry - 6-4 33 3/4

Everything is going exactly as planned. Teams thinking we were going to pick a safety high served our interests.

But not taking strong safeties or CBs early is a feature and benefit of a Richard secondary. Get used to it.

EDIT: I would change the title to "Richard - Not picking SSs or CBs early is a feature, not a bug"
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I don't think any teams cared who we were drafting.
 
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buybuydandavis said:
I like Richard's philosophy for the secondary. SS in the box, CBs playing press and underneath, FS protecting all over the top.

This strategy calls for and *allows* bigger, stronger, longer, but maybe not so fast, at all DB positions but FS. That's also *cheaper* at all positions but FS.

If an Earl Thomas comes along for FS, we might try for him. We did, in fact. But I doubt any of the safeties at 58 and beyond were supposed to be Earl.

Looking at the guys we took, I see size and *long arms*, and guys we didn't have to spend premium picks on.
CB - Mike Jackson - 6-1 32 1/2
SS - Donovan Wilson - 6-0 33 3/8
CB - Mike Westry - 6-4 33 3/4

Everything is going exactly as planned. Teams thinking we were going to pick a safety high served our interests.

But not taking strong safeties or CBs early is a feature and benefit of a Richard secondary. Get used to it.

EDIT: I would change the title to "Richard - Not picking SSs or CBs early is a feature, not a bug"
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We have to be careful in giving blind trust to these defensive guru to find "their guys" in any round. They have monsterous egos and think they can find their types anywhere even Home Depot if needed. The truth is they need help thru higher round draft picks. Marinelli is perfect example. He thought Woods could be as good as anyone else but what we saw was player get run-over for 60 minutes in playoff game. Also, this happened long time ago with Cowboys kicking coach in 1990 - Steve Hoffman. He got lucky few times taking no names and turning them into kickers. The consensus became just get him a guy and he will make kicker out of him...anyone. That turned out not to be true. The truth is these coaches aren't as elite as they might think and do need players with above average skill sets to become edge over opposing teams.
 

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Wood said:
We have to be careful in giving blind trust to these defensive guru to find "their guys" in any round. They have monsterous egos and think they can find their types anywhere even Home Depot if needed. The truth is they need help thru higher round draft picks. Marinelli is perfect example. He thought Woods could be as good as anyone else but what we saw was player get run-over for 60 minutes in playoff game. Also, this happened long time ago with Cowboys kicking coach in 1990 - Steve Hoffman. He got lucky few times taking no names and turning them into kickers. The consensus became just get him a guy and he will make kicker out of him...anyone. That turned out not to be true. The truth is these coaches aren't as elite as they might think and do need players with above average skill sets to become edge over opposing teams.
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All true enough that they have monstrous egos and likely promise more than they can deliver. Still, I prefer coaches who fail to deliver based on a draft strategy that spends *less* cap resource over *more*. Succeed or fail, you got that draft savings up front.

Woods was injured and needed surgery after the game. And I'm of the camp that game prep was Marinelli's failure against the Rams (as it was against the Packers), not player evaluation or development.

For Richard, the trick is not getting by with players with below average skills, but getting by with above average skills that other teams don't value as highly in a scheme that leverages those skills. Really, it's the same with Marinelli.

It's not that they don't want the best players. Word has it that Marinelli wanted Aaron Donald. Good call. But because their schemes weight their skill needs differently than most of the rest of the league, we can get good players for our scheme on the cheap.
 
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