Spitting in the Wind

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Those on this fansite who are actively campaigning against Dak Prescott being given a big money contract extension are just wasting everyone's time. The Cowboys ARE going to give him a contract extension, and it will be a HUGE contract. That is already decided by the Jones family. They are only negotiating over how HUGE it will be, not if he will get an extension.

The Cowboys aren't going to franchise tag Dak next year. They are going to give him a long-term deal this year, and he WILL BE the Cowboys QB for at least the next three seasons - the prime years for most of the star players on this roster. They are going to bet the farm on Dak being able to take this team to a championship soon.

What the Cowboys are NOT going to do is undermine Dak's potential success by elevating another QB to the same level of Dak within the immediate future. So wishing for it, and campaigning for it is like listening to a nagging wife. It is just tiresome, and gets old really, really fast. Some of you are like a gaggle of nagging wives who get together to complain about their husbands at the beauty shop. I hope you have fun complaining to each other, but I don't want to be a part of it.

I don't claim to know if Dak will be able to achieve Championship status in Dallas. I see the same faults some of you do. But the Cowboys are committed to him, and as a fan, I'm committed to support him despite his flaws. I don't see the point of constantly griping about his flaws. Yes, I see them. So what? Is pining for someone new going to change anything? Nope. It is a complete waste of time to do so.

So I implore the site administrators to set up a Dak Prescott chat space for ALL Dak Prescott complainers to go to to complain about Dak - kind of an online beauty parlor for the nagging nebobs of negativity to get together in a big circle jerk and pleasure each other. I can simply avoid clicking on that location, and enjoy the input of others without the constant refrain of Dak Prescott negativity.
Well said! I 100% agree and with you. Every other post/comment I read is "...blah, blah Dak sucks.....", it's old already.
 

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I sure hope I'm not one of them.

You're not.

And it's not that I hate those people or even dislike them. Some people just reply too often with too little content, or just kept on pressing a point I wasn't interested in hearing more of.

Or were being ***** about something and I had had enough. Maybe I was feeling peevish that day.

I understand finding posts not worth your time and not wanting to see them.

That's what <ignore> is built for.

All hail the *plonk*!
 

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So to create a safe place for blind dak supporters, anyone critical are pushed to a sub folder....
A discussion forum is for what then?

Do we do the same with any j.heath discussion, Rico, la'el, ...

The answer is more discussion,not less
 

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How do you discuss the offense without the QB? I could provide several examples. What a Dak forum could help with is any threads with him in the title. Beyond that it would totally consume the Mods time scanning for his name or mention in any post or thread.

It consumes our time and energy trying to slice and dice our points for the "correct" forum. It inhibits full discussion of topics whenever the QB is relevant to the discussion. And it embroils us in appeals to and arguments with the hall monitors.

Mods: Can you create a Dak prefix for threads? Can people set a preference to ignore particular prefixes?

Web forum software is really sad. Usenet and email lists in the mid 90s had much better facilities for filtering what you did and didn't want to see.
 

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Those on this fansite who are actively campaigning against Dak Prescott being given a big money contract extension are just wasting everyone's time. The Cowboys ARE going to give him a contract extension, and it will be a HUGE contract. That is already decided by the Jones family. They are only negotiating over how HUGE it will be, not if he will get an extension.

The Cowboys aren't going to franchise tag Dak next year. They are going to give him a long-term deal this year, and he WILL BE the Cowboys QB for at least the next three seasons - the prime years for most of the star players on this roster. They are going to bet the farm on Dak being able to take this team to a championship soon.

What the Cowboys are NOT going to do is undermine Dak's potential success by elevating another QB to the same level of Dak within the immediate future. So wishing for it, and campaigning for it is like listening to a nagging wife. It is just tiresome, and gets old really, really fast. Some of you are like a gaggle of nagging wives who get together to complain about their husbands at the beauty shop. I hope you have fun complaining to each other, but I don't want to be a part of it.

I don't claim to know if Dak will be able to achieve Championship status in Dallas. I see the same faults some of you do. But the Cowboys are committed to him, and as a fan, I'm committed to support him despite his flaws. I don't see the point of constantly griping about his flaws. Yes, I see them. So what? Is pining for someone new going to change anything? Nope. It is a complete waste of time to do so.

So I implore the site administrators to set up a Dak Prescott chat space for ALL Dak Prescott complainers to go to to complain about Dak - kind of an online beauty parlor for the nagging nebobs of negativity to get together in a big circle jerk and pleasure each other. I can simply avoid clicking on that location, and enjoy the input of others without the constant refrain of Dak Prescott negativity.
Fyi, a group of nagging wives is referred to as a colony, a drove, or a race. Not a gaggle.
 

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Here’s a fun trivia answer for everyone here:

Do you know the only 6 other quarterbacks this millennium to get top 10 money on a long term deal despite A) not being taken in the first round, and B) not making a conference championship game before getting paid?

Tony Romo
Marc Bulger
Andy Dalton
Kirk Cousins
Matt Shaub
David Garrard

And now Dak Prescott

Every single one of them had fanbases split. Some though they were conmen, others thought they were criminally misused. But one thing they all had in common was they never got any better or made it any farther after signing that deal. Every single team regressed after the qb got paid, no one made the conference championship afterward either. Didn’t suddenly ascend once he got paid, what you saw is what you got. ‘Misunderstood’, ‘underrated’, ‘bad coaching staff’ every single one of them.

Not making a judgement on Dak before we see it, but it is food for thought.
Lol

Now that’s info not all of us knew without a negative presentation. Well done even if it is from an Egirl fan.
 

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It consumes our time and energy trying to slice and dice our points for the "correct" forum. It inhibits full discussion of topics whenever the QB is relevant to the discussion. And it embroils us in appeals to and arguments with the hall monitors.

Mods: Can you create a Dak prefix for threads? Can people set a preference to ignore particular prefixes?

Web forum software is really sad. Usenet and email lists in the mid 90s had much better facilities for filtering what you did and didn't want to see.
It is what it is. It’s like Facebook. Sometimes you’re better off scrolling on thru. Or just make your comment and move on. Seldom can you have civil or meaningful discussions.

We can always have personal discussions. That’s an option without others chiming in.
 

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But YOU KNOW that's not the way the thread is going to go. We aren't going to have a flurry of reasonably obvious answers to the question. I haven't even clicked on the thread, and I already know what to expect. Thus this thread was born. I apologize for allowing my occasional frustration with the naysayers overflow into this thread.

It happens. You aint the only one who gets cranky. In fact, you seem more level than most. Once upon a time, I was gouging my eyes out over people thinking we're "saving cap" by keeping players on the roster. I probably spent some time being unpleasant about it.

I ended putting my say on a "dead cap is dead" message in my sig.
 

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Those on this fansite who are actively campaigning against Dak Prescott being given a big money contract extension are just wasting everyone's time. The Cowboys ARE going to give him a contract extension, and it will be a HUGE contract. That is already decided by the Jones family. They are only negotiating over how HUGE it will be, not if he will get an extension.

The Cowboys aren't going to franchise tag Dak next year. They are going to give him a long-term deal this year, and he WILL BE the Cowboys QB for at least the next three seasons - the prime years for most of the star players on this roster. They are going to bet the farm on Dak being able to take this team to a championship soon.

What the Cowboys are NOT going to do is undermine Dak's potential success by elevating another QB to the same level of Dak within the immediate future. So wishing for it, and campaigning for it is like listening to a nagging wife. It is just tiresome, and gets old really, really fast. Some of you are like a gaggle of nagging wives who get together to complain about their husbands at the beauty shop. I hope you have fun complaining to each other, but I don't want to be a part of it.

I don't claim to know if Dak will be able to achieve Championship status in Dallas. I see the same faults some of you do. But the Cowboys are committed to him, and as a fan, I'm committed to support him despite his flaws. I don't see the point of constantly griping about his flaws. Yes, I see them. So what? Is pining for someone new going to change anything? Nope. It is a complete waste of time to do so.

So I implore the site administrators to set up a Dak Prescott chat space for ALL Dak Prescott complainers to go to to complain about Dak - kind of an online beauty parlor for the nagging nebobs of negativity to get together in a big circle jerk and pleasure each other. I can simply avoid clicking on that location, and enjoy the input of others without the constant refrain of Dak Prescott negativity.
I don't think many people in this forum believe Dak isn't going to get paid.
Maybe 2%

This stuff has been aired our a long time ago
 

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There are not 10 QBs in the nfl that even average 24m$ a year, as each guy who signed ~25 million a year still had a year left on their deal. Ergo, your logic must be applied to all and he does still land in the top 10

For how long? The last several QB contracts all reset the market.
  • 2011 - P.Manning - 5 years, $90M - avg 18M per season
  • 2012 - P.Manning - 5 years, $96M - avg 19.2M per season
  • 2012 - Brees - 5 years, $100M - avg $20M per season
  • 2013 - Flacco - 6 years, $120.6M - avg $20.6M per season
  • 2013 - Ryan - 5 years, $103.75M - avg $20.75M per season
  • 2013 - Rodgers - 5 years, $110M - avg $22M per season
  • 2016 - Flacco - 4 year, $66.4M - avg 22.13M per season
  • 2016 - Luck - 6 years, $140M - avg $23.3M per season
  • 2017 - Cousins - 1 year, $23.9M - avg. $23.9M per season
  • 2017 - Stafford - 5 years, $135M - avg $27M per season
  • 2018 - Garoppolo - 5 years, $137.5M - avg 27.5M per season
  • 2018 - Ryan - 5 years, $150M - avg $30M per season
  • 2018 - Rodgers - 4 years, $132M - avg $33M per season
  • 2019 - Wilson - 5 years, $175M - avg $35M per season
After Wilson signed this year, Roestlibergers signed a 2 year deal for $68M, avg $34M per year.

Dak Prescott may technically get a 6 year, $30M extension for seasons 2020-2025. But with his 2019 $2M salary, that is $182M over 7 years, an average of $26M per season. That is less than 75% of the $35M per season that Wilson will make. While he might be near the top of the scale temporarily, he'll be quickly surpassed by deals for Goff, Wentz, and Cam Newton next year. Phenom Mahomes, DeShaun Watson, and Mitch Trubisky to will pass Dak by two years from now.

By the 2021 season, Dak Prescott's average of $26M per season over 7 years will be exceeded by Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Jimmy Garoppolo, Matthew Stafford, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Cam Newton, Patrick Mahomes, DeShaun Watson, and Mitch Trubisky, making him the 13th highest paid QB in the NFL. And if the Cowboys get him for $28.5M per season, his actual average over 7 years will be under $25M per season. At the same time, over the next 7 years, the NFL expects the Salary CAP to increase at least $70-80M, meaning that the it will go up to about $260M-$270M per year. A deal where the starting franchise QB makes 10% or less of the overall CAP is a great deal for the Cowboys.

If you think Prescott is a slightly better than average, but not elite QB, then a 6 year contract extension paying him $168-180M from 2020-2025 is just about the right amount.
 

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Just wait until he wins an NFC championship game. it's hard to back track on negative after pursuing it for 3 years
Hope the COWBOYS win an NFC Championship game. And if Dak is the QB, that'd be cool too.
Dak himself isn't winning anything. Nor is Rodgers or any other single player.
 

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It is what it is. It’s like Facebook. Sometimes you’re better off scrolling on thru. Or just make your comment and move on. Seldom can you have civil or meaningful discussions.
Facebook and Twitter are *designed* to limit meaningful discussion. Gets in the way of keeping people addicted to rage clicks and rants.
 

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I've got 5 people on <ignore>. Block people you ding annoying. Think win-win.

It's better to light a candle than curse the darkness.

https://cowboyszone.com/account/ignored

Yeah. I think I only have two people on ignore. If you're a regular here, you probably know who they are.

CZ might be the best football fan forum on the interwebs. A community this size, you're inevitably going to get a few of the "stupids". Why are the loudest people often the dumbest? The internet nowadays is like a constant game of "Schrodingers dbag". It's really just a numbers game.

Generally, everyone here is pretty legit, even if sometimes you want to punch them in the face. Not too shabby.
 

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If Dak Prescott signs a 6-year contract extension for $28.5M per season, which is about 81.5% of the top rate, that will be reported as a 6 year, $171M deal. But since it will last through the 2025 season, it will really be a 7-year, 173M deal - which is an average of $24.7M/year over the next 7 seasons - a full $10M/year below the top rate. Even if he signs a 6-year deal for $180M, it will average $26M per season over the next 7 years, a full $9M per season less than the top QB makes. In two years time, $26M per season will be an average to below average salary for a QB in the NFL. Top 10? Not really.
When you initially posted this a few weeks ago I actually agree with it. It’s not a bad deal considering . If we’re only committed 3 years , I can live with that.

And I realize our FO is all in on Dak. And get it. But we don’t have to totally like it. And we can call out the issues it can present . Even you said you have several concerns.

What happens though just like with any subject matter is there will always be different threads which spur the same discussions. That’s just the nature of the beast.
 

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Those on this fansite who are actively campaigning against Dak Prescott being given a big money contract extension are just wasting everyone's time. The Cowboys ARE going to give him a contract extension, and it will be a HUGE contract. That is already decided by the Jones family. They are only negotiating over how HUGE it will be, not if he will get an extension.

The Cowboys aren't going to franchise tag Dak next year. They are going to give him a long-term deal this year, and he WILL BE the Cowboys QB for at least the next three seasons - the prime years for most of the star players on this roster. They are going to bet the farm on Dak being able to take this team to a championship soon.

What the Cowboys are NOT going to do is undermine Dak's potential success by elevating another QB to the same level of Dak within the immediate future. So wishing for it, and campaigning for it is like listening to a nagging wife. It is just tiresome, and gets old really, really fast. Some of you are like a gaggle of nagging wives who get together to complain about their husbands at the beauty shop. I hope you have fun complaining to each other, but I don't want to be a part of it.

I don't claim to know if Dak will be able to achieve Championship status in Dallas. I see the same faults some of you do. But the Cowboys are committed to him, and as a fan, I'm committed to support him despite his flaws. I don't see the point of constantly griping about his flaws. Yes, I see them. So what? Is pining for someone new going to change anything? Nope. It is a complete waste of time to do so.

So I implore the site administrators to set up a Dak Prescott chat space for ALL Dak Prescott complainers to go to to complain about Dak - kind of an online beauty parlor for the nagging nebobs of negativity to get together in a big circle jerk and pleasure each other. I can simply avoid clicking on that location, and enjoy the input of others without the constant refrain of Dak Prescott negativity.


You are not spitting in the wind, you are spitting against it.

;-)
 

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It consumes our time and energy trying to slice and dice our points for the "correct" forum. It inhibits full discussion of topics whenever the QB is relevant to the discussion. And it embroils us in appeals to and arguments with the hall monitors.

Mods: Can you create a Dak prefix for threads? Can people set a preference to ignore particular prefixes?

Web forum software is really sad. Usenet and email lists in the mid 90s had much better facilities for filtering what you did and didn't want to see.
It’s really easy to scroll down and move on . And avoid and or ignore. I participate in a very small percentage of threads overall. You just cant let yourself get too engulfed. Especially with an anonymous site.
 
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