Richard - I think he's why we don't draft safeties

Hennessy_King · May 4, 2019

atlantacowboy said:
How would we know? Secondary hasn't been feared since Darren Woodson retired.

Hence our defense and pass defense specifically has been sub par since then

atlantacowboy · May 4, 2019

Hennessy_King said:
Hence our defense and pass defense specifically has been sub par since then

Possibly. The team is like a ship with holes. Who knows which one is most responsible for sinking it. Name your favorite cowboy secondary the past 20 years........quick. lol

Hennessy_King · May 4, 2019

atlantacowboy said:
Possibly. The team is like a ship with holes. Who knows which one is most responsible for sinking it. Name your favorite cowboy secondary the past 20 years........quick. lol

player or as a team? 2006 was the last time I felt ok about our secondary. Probably anthony henry was our biggest playmaker against the pass.

Zekeats · May 4, 2019

buybuydandavis said:
It does matter to teams behind you a few spots in the draft order. It mattered to us when Seattle snagged Unger.

Unger? 10 years ago, lol. Nobody was worried about us drafting in the back end of the 2nd round.

ColoradoCowboy · May 4, 2019

GenoT said:
Dude’s been a DC assistant coach for ONE flippin’ season and he’s why we don’t draft safeties??!?

The fun part of threads like this is seeing how long it will be before someone crushes the OP with the obvious. And while Doomsay alluded to it earlier, you spelled it out. OP's premise is full of blarney.

HoplessCowboysFan36 · May 4, 2019

Hennessy_King said:
This is not 100% true especially with our bend dont break style defense. We play off and keep everything in front of us. Mediocre secondary play allows QBs to get rid of the ball faster due to our trash scheme of playing off and not being aggressive. It's actually counterintuitive

You watched the Saints game?

Cowboys1fan · May 4, 2019

Hennessy_King said:
What I'm saying is if we get pressure and ppl are open it wont equate to anything different

If you get pressure it’s easier to stay with a wide receiver for under 2-3 seconds. You can have the best players in league in the secondary and if they’re getting 4-5 seconds to throw they’ll eat you alive every down

tyke1doe · May 4, 2019

CF74 said:
He hasn’t been here long enough to make that determination. The last early pick I can recall is a third on Wilcox and then even further back, a first on Roy Williams...

We chose Roy Williams over Ed Reed. Granted most teams likely would have because Roy Williams was such a terror in college. But it's interesting how that turned out, i.e., Reed being the better pick. Just goes to show you the consensus pick isn't always the best pick.

PUSHfold · May 5, 2019

I am baffled....we've cringed for years watching our d-line be subpar and FINALLY AND I MEAN FINALLY the team appears to want to build this part of the team into an elite group and all people can do is ***** and complain about not drafting a safety high....it's never gonna matter what this team or FO does people are gonna ***** just because.

Buzzbait · May 5, 2019

PUSHfold said:
I am baffled....we've cringed for years watching our d-line be subpar and FINALLY AND I MEAN FINALLY the team appears to want to build this part of the team into an elite group and all people can do is ***** and complain about not drafting a safety high....it's never gonna matter what this team or FO does people are gonna ***** just because.

I'm with ya Push. It's high time they give some priority to that DL. Oh it'd be great if we could address every position of need all at the same time with high draft picks, but it doesn't work that way. I have a REALLY hard time finding fault with building the DL.

Hennessy_King · May 5, 2019

HoplessCowboysFan36 said:
You watched the Saints game?

We played the saints in the playoffs?

Melonfeud · May 5, 2019

nickjamesw43 said:
I've gotten the sense we value free safeties who have the athleticism to play single high. That's why they were in on Earl Thomas and that's why they drafted Byron Jones over Landon Collins.

I don't think we place much value on strong in the box type safeties. Much like the 3 tech vs the 1 tech. They will take players like that but only in the late rounds of the draft or as low tier free agent signings.

* just to refresh my memory, exactly who/where is Landon Collins playing for now?

Melonfeud · May 5, 2019

Seven said:
F.A.L.S.E.

*,,,er,,,F.A.L.S.E. like in that pressing defensive front we put up against K.C. a minute before the halftime gun went boom in 2017,,,er,,,or F.A.L.S.E. in other ways ,Inspector Callahan?

northerncowboynation · May 5, 2019

buybuydandavis said:
I like Richard's philosophy for the secondary. SS in the box, CBs playing press and underneath, FS protecting all over the top.

This strategy calls for and *allows* bigger, stronger, longer, but maybe not so fast, at all DB positions but FS. That's also *cheaper* at all positions but FS.

If an Earl Thomas comes along for FS, we might try for him. We did, in fact. But I doubt any of the safeties at 58 and beyond were supposed to be Earl.

Looking at the guys we took, I see size and *long arms*, and guys we didn't have to spend premium picks on.
CB - Mike Jackson - 6-1 32 1/2
SS - Donovan Wilson - 6-0 33 3/8
CB - Mike Westry - 6-4 33 3/4

Everything is going exactly as planned. Teams thinking we were going to pick a safety high served our interests.

But not taking strong safeties or CBs early is a feature and benefit of a Richard secondary. Get used to it.

EDIT: I would change the title to "Richard - Not picking SSs or CBs early is a feature, not a bug"

A few fans have stated that the draft was a Mari draft and Richard had no voice. I suppose it's possible but Richard seems to be fairly expressive. He has a knack for finding "his guys" late in the draft too

northerncowboynation · May 5, 2019

Maybe I'm missing something but isn't S the last line of defense. Yes, Woodson was our best defensive player back in the late 90's and early 2000's BUT the D line was weak and the CB's weaker. I thought we would pick a S higher in the draft too but my thoughts and thousands of others obviously didn't get teleported to the office

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As far as ET, he had some nice players beside him in Chancellor and Sherman. ET was not the sole creator of the "legion of boom". I would take a Kam Chancellor type any day and he was drafted in the 6'th round.

cnuball21 · May 5, 2019

Hennessy_King said:
Hence our defense and pass defense specifically has been sub par since then

I think our CB group is as good as it’s been in the last decade.

Problem is, we haven’t had a good S in the last decade so teams can still exploit the middle of the field on us with ease.

links18 · May 5, 2019

We once drafted Roy Williams at #8 in the hopes he would be the next Ronnie Lott, but he never lived up to that draft status. Since then, we have gone cheap at the position hoping to get lucky.

xwalker · May 5, 2019

tyke1doe said:
We chose Roy Williams over Ed Reed. Granted most teams likely would have because Roy Williams was such a terror in college. But it's interesting how that turned out, i.e., Reed being the better pick. Just goes to show you the consensus pick isn't always the best pick.

The first 3 years it appeared that Roy was the better player, then Woodson retired, Roy got fat and it went downhill from there.

The NFL also implemented the Horse-collar rule specifically because of RW and that seemed to psych him out.

RW was the hardest hitter without a running start that I've ever seen. In 1 or 2 steps he could unload into the ball carrier with more force than many players what had a 10 yard running start.

tyke1doe · May 5, 2019

xwalker said:
The first 3 years it appeared that Roy was the better player, then Woodson retired, Roy got fat and it went downhill from there.

The NFL also implemented the Horse-collar rule specifically because of RW and that seemed to psych him out.

RW was the hardest hitter without a running start that I've ever seen. In 1 or 2 steps he could unload into the ball carrier with more force than many players what had a 10 yard running start.

I agree. He was a destroyer his first two seasons, at least. I don't remember his third season.
But something happened after then. It was the strangest, unexplained drop off I can ever remember seeing.

Dre11 · May 5, 2019

Hennessy_King said:
So unless we have an all pro safety our secondary will suck? That sounds great

No our dL will enhance our secondary.

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