How are the Cowboys not a top 10 offense?

DenCWBY · May 8, 2019

Whyjerry said:
Why? That is easy...

Stash · May 8, 2019

rocyaice said:
Exactly. Using stats to judge this offense is meaningless.

Really? What's a better method? Hope?

Kage · May 8, 2019

Dak is still a question mark at this point. He could be an A, or a C.
Zeke is an A
WR should be an A, but Cobb is a question mark, and Gallup "should" improve, but thats just a guess.
O line should be an A, but depends on health of Frederick, Smith, and Martin.

Stash · May 8, 2019

kskboys said:
The most important aspect of winning is scoring more than the other team. Scoring is far from the most important offensive stat, however. TOP, YPC, TO's, TD's per drive, those are all just as important, if not moreso.

Diehardblues · May 8, 2019

conner01 said:
To me the most important offensive stat is scoring
That’s the only one that really matters
And we struggled bad in the redzone last year
That is one area Moore has to get fixed
Convert one more of those FG to TD and you are in the top 10. Convert 2 more and you are in the top 5

Scoring can be misleading as defenses score on turnovers and special teams score on returns which might not reflect the effectiveness of a defense or offense.

And why total yards has always been the official measurement the NFL uses to measure offenses and defenses rankings.

Kevinicus · May 8, 2019

Jipper said:
per nfl.com the cowboys don’t have a top 10 offense despite having a top rb, top tier wr, top tier oline and top 10 qb...boggles the mind

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...10-offenses-saints-colts-eagles-best-of-bunch

Top 10 QB?

BigD_95 · May 8, 2019

cowboy_ron said:
Which certainly explains his lack of 4th quarter comebacks....

The defense keeping you in a game for 3 plus quarters and then Dak having a 4th quarter comeback does not help Dallas become a top 10 offense ... which is what the thread was about.

BigD_95 · May 8, 2019

Sydla said:
It's homerism because the team was the 22nd ranked offense last year (only like the 19th with Cooper) and now have an OC that has never called a game before in his life, never built a game plan himself and has one year under his belt of coaching AT ANY LEVEL.

Frederick alone isn't good enough to overcome that. I am not sure why people are surprised that in looking forward, people aren't dropping their pants in excitement over the Cowboys offense.

Maybe they will be downright awesome offensively in 2019. But right now, if one is being rational, there are some real serious questions for an offense that wasn't all that good just a year ago.

Great post! I'm not sure why people have confidence in Moore and think he will save this offense. Hope I'm wrong and Moore turns out to be great but if Im a betting man Im all in that this is going to be a mess. Maybe if you had a Romo type QB that could makeup for the lack of coaching but we know Dak isnt able to.

kskboys · May 8, 2019

stasheroo said:

It really does.

Think about it, Stash. There have been a pile of teams who tried to win using points as the emphasis. They pretty much all lost to ball control D teams. SD and MINN in the 70's, BUFF in the 90's, ATL year before last, DEN before the ywent D, Oilers, INDY w/ PManning, GB w/ Rodgers. Using points as the emphasis will win your division and get you to the playoffs, but then you will fizzle out as the ball control teams win it.

Sydla · May 8, 2019

rocyaice said:
The offense was ranked that bad because of going scoreless in that Colts game.

And yeah like I said above......I’m not hyping up the Cowboys offense I just don’t think nothing special of the Colts and Eagles offense. I’ve seen the Cowboys offense look solid last season with Linehan looking terrible.

Even if you take out that Colts game.......... they then averaged 22.6 points per game which puts them around 18th. So no, the Colts game is not significantly weighing down their average, that's a myth.

And if we adjust out the bad game for the Cowboys, shouldn't we adjust ALL the teams for their bad games too? For example, the Eagles were 18th in scoring. But they only scored 7 points against the Saints, so let's adjust their scoring average for that game, right?

Again, we aren't talking about "solid". The premise of this thread is people perplexed as to why this team isn't listed as a potential Top 10 offense in 2019.

In reality, what's really perplexing is the people that think the Cowboys are being disrespected by not being called one of the Top 10 offenses heading into the season.

Diehardblues · May 8, 2019

cowboy_ron said:
Which certainly explains his lack of 4th quarter comebacks....

Those comebacks represent he’s a clutch performer. The bigger question might be why are we needing to come from behind so often?

Sydla · May 8, 2019

BigD_95 said:
Great post! I'm not sure why people have confidence in Moore and think he will save this offense. Hope I'm wrong and Moore turns out to be great but if Im a betting man Im all in that this is going to be a mess. Maybe if you had a Romo type QB that could makeup for the lack of coaching but we know Dak isnt able to.

I view Moore this way - I don't have a ton of confidence in a first time OC with only one year of coaching at any level being able to hit the ground running and design and call a great offense........... however, his resume and the belief he's bringing college spread ideas to the team makes it a fascinating story to follow.

Sydla · May 8, 2019

Oh this new tactic of trying to downplay our offensive ineptitude in 2018 by claiming it's ball control and that's what happens and that's why you can't use stats to judge them is bull..............

Our "ball control" offense in 2016 was 5th in NFL scoring that year. So no, our nature of offense does not preclude us from being a top scoring offense.

Diehardblues · May 8, 2019

kskboys said:
It really does.

Think about it, Stash. There have been a pile of teams who tried to win using points as the emphasis. They pretty much all lost to ball control D teams. SD and MINN in the 70's, BUFF in the 90's, ATL year before last, DEN before the ywent D, Oilers, INDY w/ PManning, GB w/ Rodgers. Using points as the emphasis will win your division and get you to the playoffs, but then you will fizzle out as the ball control teams win it.

Yep

There’s a reason the NFL uses yards as official measurement for team rankings. More yards translates into moving the chains, first downs and more opportunity to score.

Same on defense. Less yards translates into not moving the chains, less first downs and less opportunities to score.

Scoring is obviously an important component. Football is afterall a sum sport but why turnovers are such a critical stat which can often decide the outcome from a more dominant team.

conner01 · May 8, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Scoring can be misleading as defenses score on turnovers and special teams score on returns which might not reflect the effectiveness of a defense or offense.

And why total yards has always been the official measurement the NFL uses to measure offenses and defenses rankings.

I look just at offensive scoring
But all stats can be misleading over a whole season
But if you have a solid defense and can score 28 points a game you will win lots of gsmes

ABQCOWBOY · May 8, 2019

Well, in 2018, our Offense was ranked 22nd in the league. I mean, that's bordering on the bottom third of the league. Honestly, I don't know how anybody could complain much about not looking at our team as a top 10 Offense, at this point. At some point, you gotta put up results.

kskboys · May 8, 2019

Sydla said:
Oh this new tactic of trying to downplay our offensive ineptitude in 2018 by claiming it's ball control and that's what happens and that's why you can't use stats to judge them is bull..............

Our "ball control" offense in 2016 was 5th in NFL scoring that year. So no, our nature of offense does not preclude us from being a top scoring offense.

Not me. No tactics here, just what I've observed over many many years of too much football watching!!!!(Ask the wifey!!).

I have no idea what to think about our O. There's been so much crapp around it, I can't judge it at present. I generally don't take sides in these silly argument which always come down to "Dak suck", "Dak is awesome". That bores me. I'm simply pointing out that counting points is not what wins super bowls. D and ball control wins super bowls.

Looking at points, what's most important is points per drive and no TO's.

Diehardblues · May 8, 2019

Sydla said:
I view Moore this way - I don't have a ton of confidence in a first time OC with only one year of coaching at any level being able to hit the ground running and design and call a great offense........... however, his resume and the belief he's bringing college spread ideas to the team makes it a fascinating story to follow.

That’s the first I’ve heard of Moore bringing in a college spread offense . Interesting

kskboys · May 8, 2019

conner01 said:
I look just at offensive scoring
But all stats can be misleading over a whole season
But if you have a solid defense and can score 28 points a game you will win lots of gsmes

Absolutely. However, if you score too quickly, you'll gas your D and will lose late in the game. Scoring is only one part of the equation.

TheMarathonContinues · May 8, 2019

stasheroo said:
Really? What's a better method? Hope?

Using your eyes and common sense. A team that is run first and wants to control the clock is going to have worse stats then someone who is pass first and have more offensive possessions.

stasheroo said:
Really? What's a better method? Hope?

How are the Cowboys not a top 10 offense?

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