Twitter: Helman makes his case for Dak as 4th highest paid QB

Idgit · May 9, 2019

Aerolithe_Lion said:
Why does it always feel like people are trying to convince themselves they like Dak in these threads? I won't dispute any of the compliments to him, mainly because they're mostly right, but you never see people profusely soapboxing their QB's 'intangibles' on any other board. Are you guys building a defensive imaginary wall for when the naysayers come in? Like shielding this thread, is that it?

Like this, for example. What does this even mean? Rex Grossman was all this, and he went to a super bowl. Are you saying you'd be proud if Dak was the next Rex Grossman? Of course not. So why even post this?

And the Dak vs Romo stuff. Who cares? Romo is retired, and he's not coming back. Dak has no competition right now, so it doesn't matter how much you need to convince anybody he's great. He's the QB one way or the other.

Other people don’t prop up a QBs leadership qualities because most QBs don’t have Dak’s leadership qualities. He’s pretty unique in that regard. And you don’t see questions about how he gets along with teammates like you did with Wentz. Dak’s more like Foles in that regard. His teammates love him.

He also followed a QB who was well loved in Dallas. One whose career ended abruptly.

It’s not really a great mystery why there are some issues post-Romo.

ESisback · May 9, 2019

Aerolithe_Lion said:
Why does it always feel like people are trying to convince themselves they like Dak in these threads? I won't dispute any of the compliments to him, mainly because they're mostly right, but you never see people profusely soapboxing their QB's 'intangibles' on any other board. Are you guys building a defensive imaginary wall for when the naysayers come in? Like shielding this thread, is that it?

Like this, for example. What does this even mean? Rex Grossman was all this, and he went to a super bowl. Are you saying you'd be proud if Dak was the next Rex Grossman? Of course not. So why even post this?

And the Dak vs Romo stuff. Who cares? Romo is retired, and he's not coming back. Dak has no competition right now, so it doesn't matter how much you need to convince anybody he's great. He's the QB one way or the other.

Rex Grossman?!? No, he WASN’T all that. Put down the pipe. Puff puff PASS!

Bullflop · May 9, 2019

Don't fight it, folks -- the FO loves them some Dak! It's like trying to stop a rolling train! Choo-choo! Didn't Jerry warn you? :grin:

DandyDon52 · May 9, 2019

kirk cousins isnt worth what he got , and I dont think matt ryan is either.
But dallas has to pay or trade him now, and no way they want to trade him now.
they think he is good enough, so they will sign him.
So I am hoping he gets more than kirk and maybe even ryan.

Fastpitch Dad · May 9, 2019

Mr_437 said:
Before the avalanche of extremely opposite opinions on Dak Cascade down upon this thread.

Fair question:
Is the amount $30M Dak may receive more a function of his play / the market or both?

Very good question.

I think it's the market. I really like Dak the leader, as a quarterback not as much. I am rooting for him to prove me wrong, I really want him to become the guy I don't think he's capable of being.

I just see warts that I don't think can be removed from his game. I just cringe sometimes when we are on offense. When it's 3rd and long I have no confidence we will move the chains.

But hey, what the heck do I know? I'm just an old guy sitting on the couch watching the game. Like I said, I really hopes over the next 10 years he makes me eat every word. i will do it happily because I don't know how you cannot root for a guy like Dak.

Swagger · May 9, 2019

As many have alluded to, the point is, would other teams pay Prescott $30+ million.

If yes, then given I can understand why the Cowboys would pay that (even though I personally don't think he is worth that much).

TwentyOne · May 9, 2019

Hawkeye0202 said:
Just me but he nails it IMO ( several fans/posters been preaching all THREE )

does this guy even think before he opens his mouth ?
god how i hate this stupid bargain in 18 months talk.

you can make this argument every season.

Cowboysheelsreds053 · May 9, 2019

Bobhaze said:
The Dak contract price should be no surprise to anyone paying attention to what NFL teams pay for the QB position. Even a guy like Sam Bradford, who has never done anything other than haul $129 million in earnings for having an 18-30-1 record as a starter and never even winning a playoff game.

So anyone saying Dak, with three straight winning seasons, two division titles and a playoff win isn’t worth tying up in a multi-year contract at market value is simply not paying any attention to the NFL market for QBs. Count me among those who are glad Dak Prescott will here for a while...at good market value.

Talk about a QB who robbed the NFL and will never go to jail, SB is the greatest gangster ever whom the FBI is not even looking for.

sunalsorises · May 9, 2019

I'd say the only gamble worth taking with Dak is to wait and give him the exclusive tag (the one where the team signing him gives up 2 first round picks). I imagine any team signing Dak would be drafting high. I would also imagine Dallas could put together a package to trade up and pick another QB high in the draft. Of course Dallas would have to hit with that QB and hit right away. This team is built to win the Super Bowl right now and to win it with Dak at QB. I don't know the risk/reward of the exclusive tag and I don't know the cap implications. I suspect it comes out to paying Dak is better than what is behind door number 2, especially if someone does sign Dak because Dallas would be cooked for that season and the next.

America's Cowboy · May 9, 2019

Idgit said:
Other people don’t prop up a QBs leadership qualities because most QBs don’t have Dak’s leadership qualities. He’s pretty unique in that regard. And you don’t see questions about how he gets along with teammates like you did with Wentz. Dak’s more like Foles in that regard. His teammates love him.

He also followed a QB who was well loved in Dallas. One whose career ended abruptly.

It’s not really a great mystery why there are some issues post-Romo.

BOOM!

PS: "Wince" :muttley:

Silly · May 9, 2019

I don't have a problem signing Dak. But let the season unfold and see what he does in a new offense first.

Toruk_Makto · May 9, 2019

This idea that Dak becomes a bargain in 18 months is a myth. It's oversold.

So let's say he comes in at 4th. How many qb contracts are happening in the next 18 months that make him a bargain? Lets say 3 or 4? So he goes from 4th highest paid to 7th? 8th? Wow sooo cheap!

America's Cowboy · May 9, 2019

Toruk_Makto said:
This idea that Dak becomes a bargain in 18 months is a myth. It's oversold.

So let's say he comes in at 4th. How many qb contracts are happening in the next 18 months that make him a bargain? Lets say 3 or 4? So he goes from 4th highest paid to 7th? 8th? Wow sooo cheap!

Dak will be a bargain when another 4 - 8 QB contracts happen at higher prices 2 years from now.

DallasEast · May 9, 2019

Hawkeye0202 said:
Just me but he nails it IMO ( several fans/posters been preaching all THREE )

lol at the added "You don't have to like it, but no one cares that you don't."

Obviously, some people care that others continuously and vehemently say they do not like Prescott cashing in. Otherwise, there would not be as much continuous and vehement counterargument stating why Prescott should cash in.

Heck. Practically every sports talk host I have listened to discussing the topic cares that others care that they say do not care for Prescott landing a huge contract. Irony.

Sydla · May 9, 2019

OmerV said:
I agree they have the option to wait, but the price tag isn’t likely to change for the better. Im sure they don’t want to wait until after the season because then their backs will be against the wall to make something happen. I’m no expert on the salary cap, but I saw someone mention that by signing him now some of the cap hit may be absorbed this year, leaving more cap space next year for Zeke and others.

It might not change for the better.

But in my mind, I'd rather pay a $4-5MM premium after seeing him kill in 2019, then hand over a $28MM AAV contract now and Dak goes out and plays like a just above average QB in 2019. Then you are looking at a scenario where you now are paying a QB that wouldn't be a Top 10 QB a Top 4-5 contract.

That's not smart no matter how many ways you guys want to slice it.

I am not opposed to paying Dak. I am opposed to doing it now.

Sydla · May 9, 2019

DasSchnitzel said:
In one year we're probably discussing low 30s per year and that's not factoring in that bidding wars happen on the open market every offseason.

Barring a career ending injury or a total collapse this season, Dak is going to be a Cowboy for the next few years at least. Do it now and save. Just my opinion.

You don't have to let him get to the open market. You could tag him.

To me, if you are totally OK with signing Dak for say $28-30MM now, then you should have no problem paying him $33-35MM next year if he plays this year out under his existing deal and has a great season.

Sydla · May 9, 2019

Idgit said:
Other people don’t prop up a QBs leadership qualities because most QBs don’t have Dak’s leadership qualities. He’s pretty unique in that regard. And you don’t see questions about how he gets along with teammates like you did with Wentz. Dak’s more like Foles in that regard. His teammates love him.

He also followed a QB who was well loved in Dallas. One whose career ended abruptly.

It’s not really a great mystery why there are some issues post-Romo.

How unique?

Denim Chicken · May 9, 2019

Toruk_Makto said:
This idea that Dak becomes a bargain in 18 months is a myth. It's oversold.

So let's say he comes in at 4th. How many qb contracts are happening in the next 18 months that make him a bargain? Lets say 3 or 4? So he goes from 4th highest paid to 7th? 8th? Wow sooo cheap!

All have one or two years left on current contract:

Wentz
Goff
Newton
Rivers
Winston
Maritoa
Eli (maybe)

OmerV · May 9, 2019

Sydla said:
It might not change for the better.

But in my mind, I'd rather pay a $4-5MM premium after seeing him kill in 2019, then hand over a $28MM AAV contract now and Dak goes out and plays like a just above average QB in 2019. Then you are looking at a scenario where you now are paying a QB that wouldn't be a Top 10 QB a Top 4-5 contract.

That's not smart no matter how many ways you guys want to slice it.

I am not opposed to paying Dak. I am opposed to doing it now.

I understand your point, and part of me feels the same. But we also have to recognize the team leadership can and apparently does have a different perspective. They know Dak much better than we do, they work with him in practice, they are aware of every incremental improvement, they study game film, they see his intangibles in action etc .. so it's natural that they have formed a more solid opinion than those of us that watch on TV and listen to or read media reports. All the team leaders can do is act on what they see and believe. I can't fault that.

Sydla · May 9, 2019

Denim Chicken said:
All have one or two years left on current contract:

Wentz
Goff
Newton
Rivers
Winston
Maritoa
Eli (maybe)

Wow. There are some really tough calls on that list, particularly Winston and Mariota.

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