Dak Prescott has higher ceiling than Carson Wentz

zenmastersauce · May 9, 2019

JJHLH1 said:
I would argue that playing well during the playoffs is an excellent measure of how good a QB is, since that is when pressure and competition is at its most intense. Obviously Rodgers and Wilson are great QBs since they have both won Super Bowls. That makes the fact that Dak outperformed them in the playoffs even more meaningful. We just need the rest of the team to play as well as Dak and we will be good.

The thing is that if Dak was to win a SB, some would say that he still has a lower ceiling than Wentz due to his natural talent. The game is more than just that though

CowboyRoy · May 9, 2019

JJHLH1 said:
According to Greg Jennings, who obviously is very knowledgeable and shows excellent judgement. Dak has already proven he’s a stud. We are fortunate to have him as our QB. We couldn’t ask for a better face for the franchise: great leader, loved by his teammates and coaches, never embarrasses himself, tough as nails, and of course extremely clutch. Get the deal done Jerry.

Two different QB's. I have always liked Wentz, but his injuries have been the story thus far.

atlantacowboy · May 9, 2019

stasheroo said:
You can't deny the huge factor that injury vs reliability plays in the assessment.

There little upside if a guy can't stay on the field.

That is literally not what is meant by "upside". Wentz is all about potential. Dak is about as good as he's ever going to get.

Denim Chicken · May 9, 2019

Hadenough said:
Numbers look great! But they came in the opening drive and then the 2nd half. This just goes to show you how misleading stats are! Goff didnt have very good game but they were running so well he didnt have to have a good game. Dak went right down the field and scored a TD and that was it for the first half. The Rams were up 20-7. Yeah Dak made a valiant effort in the 2nd half but the damage was done.
Numbers dont always tell the true story. These numbers here make it look like Dak was fine and dandy and that it was just the defense and running game that was the problem.
Technically your right he did have better QBR but in reality he went cold when it most mattered. The defense was helping him out all year but when it came time for Dak to help the defense out by sustaining drives so they could catch their breath he just went cold as ice!

Well, by that rational Zeke was as cold as ice too. Where's the hate for him? He didn't even break 50 yards!

Sydla · May 9, 2019

Nav22 said:
Remember when Wentz’s teammates called him out this offseason for his lack of leadership ability?

(I do!)

Remember when a bunch of his teammates came out after the story and also said it was BS?

(I do!)

Stash · May 9, 2019

atlantacowboy said:
That is literally not what in meant by "upside". Wentz is all about potential. Dak is about as good as he's ever going to get.

How is it "not"?

"Can't help the club in the tub", and you can't have "upside" if you can't stay on the field.

And how exactly is Dak "about as good as he's ever going to get"?

Looks like you're seeing exactly what you want to see here.

Sydla · May 9, 2019

erod said:
Wentz has a much higher ceiling.

But he's apparently made of glass.

This year is make or break for him, literally.

I am hoping they lock him into a big deal in the next couple of months and it bites them in the butt down the road.

Stash · May 9, 2019

Sydla said:
Remember when a bunch of his teammates came out after the story and also said it was BS?

(I do!)

Yeah, I remember, a 50-50 split. Still not good.

Boyzmamacita · May 9, 2019

Bullflop said:
I don't care who has the higher ceiling. The Eagles can go flip themselves! My most compelling concern is if Cowboys succeed or not.

QFT.

Boyzmamacita · May 9, 2019

mattjames2010 said:
Well, we have to face them twice a year.

Sweep.

pansophy · May 9, 2019

408Cowboy said:
I'll take a lower QBR if it means we advance.

Romo had the highest QBR in the league in 2014 and Rodgers still won the MVP in a landslide because Romo had the league leading rusher and therefore had about 80 less attempts. I love the QBR statistic, but it still doesn't account for how much of the offensive load is on a guy.

TexasHillbilly · May 9, 2019

glimmerman said:
We shall see soon. I think they both had a good to great rookie year. After that it’s been injury for him.

If Carson goes out again with a season ending injury in 2019, are the eagles going to keep paying him or is it time to move on? Guess it depends on the injury. Going to be interesting. I would imagine that he will be a little better at protecting his body. Carson is a competitor and when he can't pass he runs and he has paid the price. This ain't college. I would imagine his coaches have emphasized this fact. I am sure an eagles fan will chime in on this conversion.

kskboys · May 9, 2019

Rayman70 said:
Its certainly not Wentz. He cant stay on the field. By default,its Dak. He is durable and has actually be solid. The best trait he has is his availability.

Definition of ceiling, in regards to an NFL player: The best that a player can be.

Very simple. Wentz has the ability to be better than Dak. He may never reach it due to durability issues, but that doesn't mean his potential isn't higher.

kskboys · May 9, 2019

robertfchew said:
Not really the rams scored 3 points in the superbowl. I think the nfl is like the nba a few years ago. NFC has all the good teams and they take a toll on each other but the 1 good team in the AFC is just really good because of 1 player.

Not at all true. They are good because of one coach.

kskboys · May 9, 2019

robertfchew said:
When has rodgers done that?

Rodgers has always carried his team(Except in 11), but he's also always failed in crunch time.

CowboyRoy · May 9, 2019

atlantacowboy said:
That is literally not what is meant by "upside". Wentz is all about potential. Dak is about as good as he's ever going to get.

Says who? You? You are making the determination that Dak cant get better?

And we should all listen to you? LOL

Dak has all the makings of a QB that will get better and get much better. Its obvious.

kskboys · May 9, 2019

Hadenough said:
Numbers look great! But they came in the opening drive and then the 2nd half. This just goes to show you how misleading stats are! Goff didnt have very good game but they were running so well he didnt have to have a good game. Dak went right down the field and scored a TD and that was it for the first half. The Rams were up 20-7. Yeah Dak made a valiant effort in the 2nd half but the damage was done.
Numbers dont always tell the true story. These numbers here make it look like Dak was fine and dandy and that it was just the defense and running game that was the problem.
Technically your right he did have better QBR but in reality he went cold when it most mattered. The defense was helping him out all year but when it came time for Dak to help the defense out by sustaining drives so they could catch their breath he just went cold as ice!

Losing teams almost always have more passing yards. Nature of the game. Counting passing yardage to compare Qb's in one single game means pretty much nothing. To compare using that stat, one would have to guess at how well Goff would've done if he had been required to pass. As it was, our run D was so completely horrific, nothing else can really be judged in the game.

kskboys · May 9, 2019

stasheroo said:
How is it "not"?

"Can't help the club in the tub", and you can't have "upside" if you can't stay on the field.

And how exactly is Dak "about as good as he's ever going to get"?

Looks like you're seeing exactly what you want to see here.

Injury generally has nothing to do w/ upside/ceiling. Sort of a different conversation.

Stash · May 9, 2019

kskboys said:
Injury generally has nothing to do w/ upside/ceiling. Sort of a different conversation.

Maybe for you it is, but you can't have upside if you can't play. It then becomes "unrealized potential".

Boyzmamacita · May 9, 2019

Hadenough said:
I agree! What bothers me the most about this match up is when the Cowboys were a little banged up in 2017 the Eagles completely monkey stomped them but when the tables were turned in 2018 the Cowboys needed over time to beat them and Wentz was playing with a broken back. Plus Dak has the best RB in the game helping him vs Wentz has a bunch of back ups helping him. But now the Eagles have Jordan Howard who is no where near as good as Zeke but he is a starter.
Basically if both teams are healthy I would say the Eagles because of Wentz have a better team.

I've had enough.

Dak Prescott has higher ceiling than Carson Wentz

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