Dak Prescott has higher ceiling than Carson Wentz

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Elway "carried" 3 subpar teams to super bowls before finally winning 2 in a row.

It's like saying a CB shuts down half the field. Just not to be taken literally.

If your QB has to carry your team, you're not going to win a super bowl. Need other guys to have outstanding performances.

Even Brady. Brady really didn't play all that well in the super bowl, but the NE D carried the team. 13 points, is what Brady led his team to. And that is a mostly losing score. In any game. Brady has never won a super bowl w/o a solid D. No, they weren't always ranked high, but the D has been a huge factor in every super bowl Brady has won.
No I get it, but it's important to address that some fans mean it literally in an attempt to fit their narrative.
 

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Elway "carried" 3 subpar teams to super bowls before finally winning 2 in a row.

It's like saying a CB shuts down half the field. Just not to be taken literally.

If your QB has to carry your team, you're not going to win a super bowl. Need other guys to have outstanding performances.

Even Brady. Brady really didn't play all that well in the super bowl, but the NE D carried the team. 13 points, is what Brady led his team to. And that is a mostly losing score. In any game. Brady has never won a super bowl w/o a solid D. No, they weren't always ranked high, but the D has been a huge factor in every super bowl Brady has won.

Great point.

And it brings up a funny thought. Detroit hired Matt Patricia after his defense directly caused the Patriots to lose that year's Super Bowl. And then, a year later, without a huge turnover of players, that same defense carries New England to the championship, and a near Super Bowl record shutout.

What a difference a year (and coach) makes?

And I guess that's why the Lions are the Lions?
 

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Hey, I'm just pointing out the facts to counter unsupported opinions
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I like it when people can stir it up with the simple truth and facts. Just like Romo, some people are just going to not like Dak. He could help win a SB and they will make excuses of why he shouldn’t get credit. Or he needed a whole team around him. Duhh. When you here from a brady while he is standing in the podium hoisting the trophy for the 50th time he always says it was a team effort. The players around him made plays, ST or defense makes a play here and there. His wr makes a play, a rb or the line gives him time.

Stats give a good idea into how good the player is and performs. Playoff stats let’s you know how he performs against better teams, but still a team game. I have very little doubt that in the rams game if we got the same performance from our Defense as we did most of the year and the same performance from our RB and O-Line that we win that game. Dak played a good game but I am sure made a few mistakes. When the rest of the team aren’t playing up to standards then a QB ain’t carrying you all game long. He can’t stop the run that’s our Defenses job. LOL.
 

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If he's "better", why does Dak have the better numbers after three years?
:huh:
Because Wentz was hurt. No doubt if he played all season he would have had finished with better numbers. Just like Wentzs second year, which blows Dak out of the water, but also didnt even play the full season.
 

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Because Wentz was hurt. No doubt if he played all season he would have had finished with better numbers. Just like Wentzs second year, which blows Dak out of the water, but also didnt even play the full season.

Exactly the point!
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Thanks for pointing out Wentz's issues with staying healthy and on the field.
 

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Because Wentz was hurt. No doubt if he played all season he would have had finished with better numbers. Just like Wentzs second year, which blows Dak out of the water, but also didnt even play the full season.
So you'd rather have a QB that can't play an entire season?
One that has no postseason experience or success?
 

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Are you saying Wentz will never play an entire season for the rest of his career?
A touch dramatic.
Incorrect, I am not.
My post was two very basic questions.
I'm not using what ifs, could have or should haves. Just using hindsight to illustrate up to this point Prescott hasn't missed a single game and had 2 pretty solid playoff games.
To me that is refreshing.
 

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Ceiling? How does anyone call that as it speaks to improvement by the player? And Wentz has already found his durability floor.

There are several areas that Prescott can improve on like release time on the ball, pocket awareness and protecting the ball inside the pocket. The accuracy issue is the big question but what's fixable about that is the fact he's inconsistent. It's not as if he's inaccurate because we seen him drop dimes but that inconsistency shows up with what should be a simple pass for NFL QB's.

Given the choice so far, it's no choice, Dak wins on durability alone. Until Wentz can play the entire season, can't make a fair comparison but when it comes to being valuable to his team, the old Woody Allen rule applies, 80% of it is just showing up.

Between the two teams extending their QB's, I'd be very apprehensive if I were the Eagles. Wentz hasn't proven he can show up.
 

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This thread......

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#truththread
 

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Because Wentz was hurt. No doubt if he played all season he would have had finished with better numbers. Just like Wentzs second year, which blows Dak out of the water, but also didnt even play the full season.
But Dak staying healthy his whole career is a huge part of the comparison as well
 

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Ceiling? How does anyone call that as it speaks to improvement by the player? And Wentz has already found his durability floor.

There are several areas that Prescott can improve on like release time on the ball, pocket awareness and protecting the ball inside the pocket. The accuracy issue is the big question but what's fixable about that is the fact he's inconsistent. It's not as if he's inaccurate because we seen him drop dimes but that inconsistency shows up with what should be a simple pass for NFL QB's.

Given the choice so far, it's no choice, Dak wins on durability alone. Until Wentz can play the entire season, can't make a fair comparison but when it comes to being valuable to his team, the old Woody Allen rule applies, 80% of it is just showing up.

Between the two teams extending their QB's, I'd be very apprehensive if I were the Eagles. Wentz hasn't proven he can show up.
I think your post covered all my Wince issues besides even when healthy Dak finds a way to win
 

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Can we just get over the fact that Wentz is a better QB? Doesnt make Dak bad but why do this to ourselves?
not to be trite here but nothing I have seen to date, tells me without a doubt, that Wentz is better than Dak. It hasn't materialized.How many playoff games has Dak been to and won compared to Wentz? Just sayin... WORSE CASE...Dak IS just as good or slightly better than Wentz. Considering where each guy was drafted, I like Dak's upside ahelluva lot more.
 

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not to be trite here but nothing I have seen to date, tells me without a doubt, that Wentz is better than Dak. It hasn't materialized.How many playoff games has Dak been to and won compared to Wentz? Just sayin... WORSE CASE...Dak IS just as good or slightly better than Wentz. Considering where each guy was drafted, I like Dak's upside ahelluva lot more.
To each their own, but Im hoping Dak blows Wentz out of the water every year!
 

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Remember when a bunch of his teammates came out after the story and also said it was BS?

(I do!)
That was adorable!

Fractured locker room where some think Wentz is a good leader and some think he isn’t. Exactly what the original report said.

Dak’s a tremendous leader so he doesn’t know what that feels like.

Dak doesn’t know what missing games due to injury feels like.

Dak doesn’t know what a losing season feels like. Wentz has done that TWICE.
 

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I really don't understand the Dak love. I have been a fan of sports for a really long time and I have never seen a player where my evaluation of him is so far off other people's.

When I watch the Cowboys, I see:
- Dak routinely missing open receivers
- Dak not throwing downfield
- Opposing teams loading up the box as a result, making life really hard on the RB's and the Oline.

Dak isn't all bad. He is durable, seems like a good guy and can run. He doesn't make gobs of boneheaded throws. That said, he is mediocre. Treating a mediocre player like a superstar gets teams in trouble. Dallas can win big with him as a QB but only with an excellent team around him. If he goes up against a top QB and that team around the guy equals the Cowboys, that team will win.
 
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