Forget Dak, he's not the problem

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How have Brees and Rodgers done in that area? How many times are the elite QB's not in the playoffs?

Of course the same person will not go to the SB every year but take Brees or Rodgers on this team and this team would be odds on favorite to make it to the SB this year

Cowboys are in the conversation to win because they're the cowboys not because of Dak

GB and NO are in the conversation because of Brees and Rodgers
 

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It's a trend and is going to continue with Mahomes and Mayfield as well.

The fuse was lit when the Skins started tagging Cousins. That became the expected number for QB's and the agents had him as a benchmark. The QB salary made a huge jump after that, we were complaining about Romo's 19M and that will now jump by 50% and more with Wilson's deal. It's a runaway situation and none of these owners know how to stop it.


It keeps going up as the salary keeps going up. It's the same for all positions, defenders are signing for $20+, WRs will be at $20 very soon too.
 

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Of course the same person will not go to the SB every year but take Brees or Rodgers on this team and this team would be odds on favorite to make it to the SB this year

Cowboys are in the conversation to win because they're the cowboys not because of Dak

GB and NO are in the conversation because of Brees and Rodgers
The Saints went 7-9, 4 out of 5 seasons with Brees. It takes more than a QB to be in the conversation.
 

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The Saints went 7-9, 4 out of 5 seasons with Brees. It takes more than a QB to be in the conversation.

And I agree with you
I'm not arguing you don't need a better team, of course you do
My point is that to seriously contend on a consistent basis and to have a realistic chance to win a SB you need a great/elite QB. You can win one in a blue moon with an average QB but not contend consistently.
 

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There was a time after Irvin that Aikman had the crappiest receivers in the league. He trusted none of them to protect the ball. He was reluctant tpo throw, and if the receiver allowed a pick, he would be hard pressed to throw to them again.

This is Dak's problem in a way. Either he doesn't trust his accuracy, or he doesn't trust the receivers on downfield throws. Or. he sees the window too late.

Moore, or someone needs to convince him to sling it and let the receiver do their thing. You get Dak throwing mid to deep, and that backs up the defense. Then you will see Zeke blow this league up.

This is my opinion.
 

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OK, I was feeling left out and haven't had a Dak thread so this is my only one. But I thought I would combine a Ranching thread with this so what are you eating while reading and responding?

Who lost that Green Bay playoff game and the one in LA? It is a trick question because it's like a Dr. Seuss book, it was a lot of who's, like an entire team of them.

Dak Prescott played well enough to win both of those games and brought them back in that Green Bay game very smartly for a rookie QB. The D in one gets 18 points down and in the other lets the opposing team run it up the gut and limit Dak's time with the ball and opportunities. Those were team losses.

Hey, I agree about the inconsistent accuracy being a challenge but I've also seen enough accuracy from him that I know he can play the position. And let's assume he and the coaching staff are aware of that issue as well and are working on that together.

What's the most important trait for a QB, any player? What do you think Eagles fans would say it is for a QB? Durability, doesn't matter how good a player is if he can't show up consistently and we've got a Tier 1 when it comes to that and he plays a little contact as well. Of all the teams, we can be the least concerned about the backup QB. And the Eagles?

It isn't about Prescott like it wasn't about Romo, it was about the teams they led and how their perceived their part in that. Romo was more risk because he felt he had to do something on every possession because he didn't have that first best friend, a D, but he proved how good he could be with that second best friend, a RB. Prescott has both best friends and they're better than Romo ever had.

And let's forget this "carrying the team" nonsense about these other QB's like Brady, Brees and Rodgers, do they really carry their teams or do they get the ball in the hands of the playmakers just like Aikman and Montana used to do? They do not carry the team, they execute the plays and it is the team that carries the team.

For whatever reason, fans take a liking to a player or not and the QB seems to catch most of that. No matter what the QB does, if someone doesn't like him, it's never going to be good enough and the weight of the load goes on his back.

This team will go as far as the team can take itself, not as far as the QB can take it. It's funny how Brady gets the GOAT tag, and he's pretty damned good, but ever notice every year he wins it, his run game and D are in the top 10, that's every year he's won it. Maybe Brees and Rodgers would have won more than that if their teams had done that and maybe Rivers could get to one.
It’s all about what you do with it.

When those other QB’s have that top 10 defense, 1RB and receiver , they take it to the house.

All great QB’s need surrounding support. It’s what they do with it that separates them from the pack.
 
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On our offense Dak is the 6th best starter out of 11, and his position is most important.
On defense there are only 3 positions we really need help at.

Because of the QB position I give it more weight to hold him responsible for a lot of issues, but sure he's not the worst player on the team. Doesn't mean we shouldn't pass on an opportunity to find someone else either. And I keep hearing market bs to justify his next contract, there better be little guaranteed for an average player on this team.
 

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And I agree with you
I'm not arguing you don't need a better team, of course you do
My point is that to seriously contend on a consistent basis and to have a realistic chance to win a SB you need a great/elite QB. You can win one in a blue moon with an average QB but not contend consistently.

That's where the problem begins, there are only a handful of great or elite QBs. Even if you do have one, you aren't going to contend consistently unless you can build a complete team around them consistently. Too much blame and praise is heaped on QBs. In our last couple playoff losses, it wasn't the QB that was the problem.
 

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It's a trend and is going to continue with Mahomes and Mayfield as well.

The fuse was lit when the Skins started tagging Cousins. That became the expected number for QB's and the agents had him as a benchmark. The QB salary made a huge jump after that, we were complaining about Romo's 19M and that will now jump by 50% and more with Wilson's deal. It's a runaway situation and none of these owners know how to stop it.
True and why it’s so critical in Cap era to have a more Elite QB because it’s easier to surround them and maintain the support.

We’ll know more of what we have with Dak in the coming years once we make the difficult decisions in cutting loose some of the support.

Unfortunately, we’ve already had a taste of what that might look like and why some of us are more concerned,

And why it’s so critical to win with him now. We may never have a better team around him.
 

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That's where the problem begins, there are only a handful of great or elite QBs. Even if you do have one, you aren't going to contend consistently unless you can build a complete team around them consistently. Too much blame and praise is heaped on QBs. In our last couple playoff losses, it wasn't the QB that was the problem.
If you only follow the ball he might not appear to be the problem . But when you consider the Rams defense was able to shut Elliott down in part because they could crowd the LOS without as much concern with Dak going over the top.

And take into consideration how we weren’t able to convert 3rd downs going 1 for 10 which stalled drive after drive early on leaving our defense out there to be shredded and falling behind so far we were forced out of our strength.

There’s always more to it than what the eye sees.
 
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