Peter King nuggets on Dak

Nav22

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yes, they did and when given those weapons, they won superbowlS…..will Dak? he hasn't sniffed it yet.....not even close....so until he does win one...you need to hush!
Only a clown downgrades a successful QB because they had great weapons.

I never placed Dak on the level of those guys, NOW DID I???

But to strip Dak of credit for his (so far) successful career BECAUSE of Cooper/Zeke is the epitome of stupidity.
 

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You think this FO finds a sure-shot QB to take this team all the way in the next year, or three?
And I threw out a 5 year deal with an out by year 3.

Let's think, yes?
Im not worried about Dak hitting the open market because there isnt a big market for him. Teams see his success is directly related to having a stacked team around him. Right now other teams are developing their own QBs and not a lot of teams would be interested in giving Dak 28 mil a season. Miami has Josh Rosen right now and the Cards have Murray. The BIlls have Josh Allen. Jets with Darnold. If Jerry is willing to pay Dak 28-30 mil then he might as well let Dak test the market and see what he brings. Best case scenario he doesnt get any offers over 22 mil. Worst case he gets an offer for 32 mil. I would be willing to bet he doesnt get any offers over 22.
 

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We need to be honest here. Would we see any noticeable drop in production if the likes of Bortles, Ftizmagic, Tyrod etc were behind center in place of Dak?

We may not be able to get an elite QB right now, but that's no reason to pay out 30m. At least if we only spend 5m or less we retain the flexibility to sign an elite QB if one becomes available or else improve other parts of the roster.
 

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Be honest with yourself, Troy was a JAG after Emmitt, Irvin, and the OL got old or left. That’s why there was no championships after those 3 in 4 years. It’s also the reason Jerry foolishly went out and got Galloway.

Furthermore, elite QBs in the NFL, other than Brady have elite talent around them. Ben has those bums, Brown, Schuster and Bell to help him out. Bree’s always has had a Pro Bowl quality WR and had Graham at TE. His current WR and Camera are no slouches. Wilson is another who doesn’t have elite talent around him. Mahones has Hill and Kelci. Goff has Gurley and those WRs. The one things the elite QBs have that Dak doesn’t, is elite coaching.

All those guys are capable of beating defenses with their arm. Those elite QBs also call a lot of their own plays. Dak needs elite talent to just be average.
 

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We need to be honest here. Would we see any noticeable drop in production if the likes of Bortles, Ftizmagic, Tyrod etc were behind center in place of Dak?

We may not be able to get an elite QB right now, but that's no reason to pay out 30m. At least if we only spend 5m or less we retain the flexibility to sign an elite QB if one becomes available or else improve other parts of the roster.
Excellent point!
 

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The way I see it..

I honestly understand folks concern of Dak, but he’s no where near as terrible as some suggest and his record/stats reflect this. He has proven we can win with him under center. So, sign him before he gets even more expensive.

The hard fact is.. Dallas will have to pay a QB no matter how you slice it. Even if you draft the next ‘Aaron Rodgers’ Dallas will have to pay him within 2-3 years when the young QB has “proven” himself. This team has proven they can draft talented players. Signing Dak dosent stop Dallas from continuing to draft QBs. Maybe Mike White is a viable starter(sorry I purposely left Cooper Rush out).. maybe Dak thrives under Kellen Moore at OC, maybe we draft a QB ‘in waiting’ that will replace Dak in 3-4 years if Dak proves to be mediocre.

Bottomline, Dak is the man right now and has the right attitude, grit, and fellow players seem to love him. If Dallas allows him to walk and all we have is the next Quincy Carter or Drew Henson.. the pessimist will be hiding under a rock. And the only thing they will say is.. “I told you so”. Who cares what they say. I would rather have a guy that teammates would run through walls for. I’d rather have a player that our team has a chance to compete with.. a QB that is willing to do whatever it takes to win and build QB depth behind him. Dak has proven he can do all those things and it’s not fair as fans to not be atleast grateful of his accomplishments. No one can honestly say (without their own biases) what Prescott will accomplish within the next few years. His track record suggests he will stay healthy and be in the playoffs.. with the team Dallas has built around him, he has the potential to accomplish so much more.. even a SB. Anyone that says otherwise is just being short sighted. Nothing Dak has done so far in his short career suggest otherwise.

Amen!!!!!!!! PERFECTLY STATED!!!
 

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I'm in the middle on Dak.

I think he's a solid, slightly above average QB with a lot of intangibles like leadership, work ethic and high character. We can contend with him given the rest of the team is very good, like it is now.

I also don't think we should pay him $30 million like he's an elite QB because he clearly is not.

But that said, I think King is spot on here. Not having Dak means we roll the dice on a 1st round talent that is more likely to flame out. And we waste an elite O-Line, RB, and defense.

He's both worth the $30 million cause we need a guy we can contend with and the other options are not those guys, and not worth $30 million because he's clearly not in the same realm as Wilson, Rodgers, etc.
What about letting Dak play out his contract and bring in Mariota or Winston for 20 million and draft a quarterback next season? We keep the role players and potentially have better arm talent at Qb.
 

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Diss Cowboys legends because someone is criticizing this bum QB


Dumbest fanbase ever
BETTER go check out the philly website then try to tell us we have the dumbest fanbase. Those fans are a cross of hardcore criminals and forrest gump...but then again, don't wanna put down forrest.
 

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Is Dak really worth 25M per year? When Zeke is not around or having a good game, I seldom see Dak carry the team throwing the football. I would let Dak play out the season without an extension, if he performs well and wine he gets franchised and then we can talk about a long term contract.
 

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Is Dak really worth 25M per year? When Zeke is not around or having a good game, I seldom see Dak carry the team throwing the football. I would let Dak play out the season without an extension, if he performs well and wine he gets franchised and then we can talk about a long term contract.
that's certainly a option, but its a gamble.
 

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Nailed it........

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ing/?cid=fmiatwking#10-things-i-think-i-think


5. I think the Dallas Cowboys should take a deep breath and sign Dak Prescott—five years, $150 milion ($90 million guaranteed) sounds about correct—before he plays well enough this year to push him into Russell Wilson land. Prescott’s not a top-five quarterback, but you absolutely can win with him, and he can play well enough in and out of the pocket to be competitive in the biggest games on the schedule. And he is a very good face of the franchise, eminently trustworthy and a good leader. For those who swear he’s not worth it, ask yourself this question: What is the alternative, and are you willing to let Prescott walk away while the Cowboys go the draft-and-develop route in the near future?

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Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott. (Getty Images)
6. I think some Cowboys fans would like, in part because of the financial sanity, the advantage to having a rookie quarterback not chew up your cap. But let’s look at the first-round quarterbacks in the most recent seven drafts, and let’s see how many are better than Prescott. I don’t include 2018 and 2019 because we don’t know the results of their play yet. We are not sure of all of these players, but we have a pretty good idea about most.

Quarterbacks drafted in the first round between 2011 and 2017, compared to Prescott

Total first-round QBs: 20.

Clearly not as good as Prescott … 11 of 20 (55 percent): Jake Locker (8th pick, 2011), Blaine Gabbert (10-2011), Christian Ponder (12-2011), Robert Griffin III (2-2012), Ryan Tannehill (8-2012), Brandon Weeden (22-2012), E.J. Manuel (16-2013), Blake Bortles (3-2014), Johnny Manziel (22-2014), Teddy Bridgewater (32-2014), Paxton Lynch (26-2016).

Too close to call right now, but Prescott has an edge … 3 of 20 (15 percent): Jameis Winston (1-2015), Marcus Mariota (2-2015), Mitchell Trubisky (2-2017).

Clearly better than Prescott … 3 of 20 (15 percent): Cam Newton (1-2011), Andrew Luck (1-2012), Patrick Mahomes (10-2017).

Better than Prescott, though with an injury asterisk … 1 of 20 (5 percent): Carson Wentz (2-2016).

Too close to call right now, but they look better than Prescott to me … 2 of 20 (10 percent):Jared Goff (1-2016), Deshaun Watson (12-2017).

So—and we’re sure to disagree on a few of these—I have Prescott with at least a slight edge on 14 of the 20 first-round quarterbacks picked between 2011 and 2017. So, Cowboy fans: Are you sure you want to roll the dice, cast Prescott aside in the near future, and take your shot with the next hot young first-rounder? I will remind you: In 2016, I covered the Cowboys draft, and I was inside their process, and Jerry Jones looked like his dog just died after he and his scouting group missed out on Paxton Lynch, and they were ticked off again to miss out on Connor Cook atop the fourth round, which left them with … Dak Prescott.

Those who appreciate Prescott for what he is will like. Those who don't, who cares
 

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If wins, game winning drives, playoff appearances, best rookie season ever, durability, STATS, ain’t enough to at least acknowledge Dak is ABOVE average, then there’s nothing more to discuss.
When did this “he needs elite players around him just to be average “ nonsense even start?

No one says that anywhere but HERE. The group think, and the amount of ignorance I’m seeing is astounding.

The cap is going up, Daks price will continue to rise with it. If I had to bet money on it, I’d say he’s going to continue to progress. You need to pay him before guys like Goff and Wentz sign their extensions and drive up the price.

We are a playoff team with Dak as our QB, why the hell would you start breaking this up???
Get past your own egos for a sec, and think logically. The logical move is to pay Dak, extend Cooper, tag Zeke....twice, and continue to draft well.

And like it or not, this is exactly what’s about to happen.
 

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When you pay a QB 30 million a year, you shouldn't have to also pay a WR 16 million and a RB another 16. That QB shouldn't need it. He should simply make stars of the next batch of skill players because he should be great. He's getting paid like it.

Prescott needs it and more.

What an absolute disgrace that contract will be.

Remember the complaints from a few years ago where we had too much money tied up in the offense?

We are repeating that again.
 

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We need to be honest here. Would we see any noticeable drop in production if the likes of Bortles, Ftizmagic, Tyrod etc were behind center in place of Dak?

We may not be able to get an elite QB right now, but that's no reason to pay out 30m. At least if we only spend 5m or less we retain the flexibility to sign an elite QB if one becomes available or else improve other parts of the roster.
Yes there would be a huge difference between Dak and Bortles/Fitz/Tyrod. Flexability if an "elite" QB becomes available? :lmao2: Yes because elite QBs are available all the time to just sign, teams are always cutting "elite" QBs right and left.

It really is like people don't watch any other games outside of the Cowboys or any games at all and just form opinions from reading forums.
 

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Rodgers has had back to back losing seasons so he clearly isn’t carrying his team.

Aaron Rodgers is 35 and likely on the downside of his career. In his prime, he was much better than Dak Prescott.
 
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