Peter King nuggets on Dak

G2 · May 14, 2019

There is somewhat of a divide on the forums as there are some who just will not submit to the idea of Prescott getting signed and continuing his career as the franchise QB.
Most here get that he's legit and the vast majority of experts, analysts, coaches, players etc. understand he's going to get a deal.
It's just not worth worrying about, it's going to happen regardless of what any of us think.

Scotman · May 14, 2019

I personally think Dak is the one making a mistake. What happens to his marketability if he signs an extremely team friendly deal? Like...REALLY team friendly. Let's say he signs for 5 years, 80 million...all guaranteed. In the current market, 16 mil a year is really low. And, I would have a press conference talking about how good a guy Dak is. He cares more about winning and his team mates...and he would still be a ridiculously wealthy young man.

Am I missing something? Would he not end up making as more of more? And STILL BE A RICH MAN NO MATTER WHAT?

When you get into these kind of numbers, it isn't about taking care of your family any more.

I think he's going to get market value and it'll be around 30 per year. But if I'm him, I take much less and market that.

CowboysFaninHouston · May 14, 2019

Nav22 said:
Only a clown downgrades a successful QB because they had great weapons.

I never placed Dak on the level of those guys, NOW DID I???

But to strip Dak of credit for his (so far) successful career BECAUSE of Cooper/Zeke is the epitome of stupidity.

so you are admitting to your own stupidity....that's a good start...now you are on your way to healing....its going to be a very long road for you and painful

:lmao:

CowboysFaninHouston · May 14, 2019

408Cowboy said:
Irvin?

great. that's one. who else?

CowboysFaninHouston · May 14, 2019

rocyaice said:
Doesn’t matter who he played with. According to you he made Jimmy.

he didn't make jimmy. I never said that it wasn't a symbiotic relationship. I made a general statement, which you are now trying to take out of context. I said, great players also help make coaches. coaches don't do it alone. Michael Jordan was a great player. Jackson was a great coach. together they were fantastic. ….. but with that said, I did mention, when Jimmy didn't have Aikman he couldn't accomplish his vision. in order to accomplish your vision you need the right players. the question is do you have the right vision and right approach.

get it? you Dak lovers are so naïve.

CowboysFaninHouston · May 14, 2019

rocyaice said:
What championship does Wentz, Goff, Mahomes, Winston or Mariota have? Or Kirk Cousins or Garopolo?

not sure if this is related to the response I had to the OP. why bring in Cousings or Garapolo. btw, Garapolo in SF made a huge difference when he was acquired from NE. went on a 7 game win streak, with the same group that had one win prior. he lifted that team. Mahomes been to AFCG. went to over time against the GOAT QB and GOAT coach. wentz has a superbowl ring. goff has been to superbowls… I don't like Winston. I am cold on Mariota. never really liked him

kento40 · May 14, 2019

Rayman70 said:
exactly...if we don't sign him, whats the solution? See the problem? I agree with you. I hate the big bucks these guys command, but its the market.

That's the problem that you run into when you don't draft competition. Now you have to pay him big bucks because you have no fall back plan.

CowboysFaninHouston · May 14, 2019

JJHLH1 said:
And it wasn’t enough to carry his team, which is the point. Rodgers is great but even he needs good players around him if he hopes to win. All QBs do, except maybe Brady.

I don't disagree. its what you can do with those players when you have them. even without those type of players around him, he still was among the better QBs in the league, elevating those players around him.

kento40 · May 14, 2019

InTheZone said:
when we struggle on offense for half the year I'm only going to focus on the contract and the amount of games we have left before it's up lol. You know how it is when the stadium is quiet because the pass game is unbelievable bad. Short term memory?

We experienced it for three games where the dude couldn't throw a TD to save his life but, was able to fumble, throw a pick six and 5 interceptions in that same time span. 30 mil though? Must be nice to get paid due to necessity instead of skill

kento40 · May 14, 2019

Redball Express said:
The thing about DAK is..

we will pay him all this money..

and he will continue having the same issues..

Accuracy issues..

holding onto the ball too long..

taking sacks or running for his life.

He has been very protective of himself so far and staying healthy.

But I wonder with all his new money..

if he will be taking more risks now trying to play up to his salary increase.

Or will he become even more conservative to protect himself.?

Curious.

Nah, Jerry will continue to protect him and the fanbase will continue to blame everyone, but him.

Little Jr · May 14, 2019

Scotman said:
I personally think Dak is the one making a mistake. What happens to his marketability if he signs an extremely team friendly deal? Like...REALLY team friendly. Let's say he signs for 5 years, 80 million...all guaranteed. In the current market, 16 mil a year is really low. And, I would have a press conference talking about how good a guy Dak is. He cares more about winning and his team mates...and he would still be a ridiculously wealthy young man.

Am I missing something? Would he not end up making as more of more? And STILL BE A RICH MAN NO MATTER WHAT?

When you get into these kind of numbers, it isn't about taking care of your family any more.

I think he's going to get market value and it'll be around 30 per year. But if I'm him, I take much less and market that.

16m a year or 30m a year, it won't change his marketability. He'd be passing up on 14m a year and that would just be dumb. Especially in a sport(business) that tomorrow isn't guaranteed.

No amount of money is too much money. It's called capitalism. It might not be about taking care of their family as far as a roof over their head or food in their stomach but it is about setting up multiple generations and there is nothing wrong with that.

csirl · May 14, 2019

Roadtrip635 said:
Yes there would be a huge difference between Dak and Bortles/Fitz/Tyrod. Flexability if an "elite" QB becomes available? Yes because elite QBs are available all the time to just sign, teams are always cutting "elite" QBs right and left.

It really is like people don't watch any other games outside of the Cowboys or any games at all and just form opinions from reading forums.

There's this thing called the NFL Draft that happens every April. It has QBs in it. Some of them - normally 2-3 per year - go on to become long term NFL starters.

I'm not sure that people here even watch Cowboys games - seem to influenced more by media hype than what is plain to see i.e. Dak cannot make all the throws expected of an elite QB.

Question - JJ has been shown to be a very poor judge of QBs. Hensen, Carter, Leaf, Hutchison etc. The article at the start of this thread even mentions JJ being gutted he couldnt get 2 x QBs who are in the aforementioned company. JJ loves Dak. Does that worry you?

Sandyf · May 14, 2019

Risen Star said:
When you pay a QB 30 million a year, you shouldn't have to also pay a WR 16 million and a RB another 16. That QB shouldn't need it. He should simply make stars of the next batch of skill players because he should be great. He's getting paid like it.

Prescott needs it and more.

What an absolute disgrace that contract will be.

So I guess you would be fine with Quincy Carter or a Ryan Leaf type or Matt Cassel. Certainly glad the front office and coaching staff isn't because on any team, you only go as far as the QB can take you. You know first a winning season, then division championship, then playoff victory and then hopefully a Super Bowl.

Sydla · May 14, 2019

Sandyf said:
So I guess you would be fine with Quincy Carter or a Ryan Leaf type or Matt Cassel. Certainly glad the front office and coaching staff isn't because on any team, you only go as far as the QB can take you. You know first a winning season, then division championship, then playoff victory and then hopefully a Super Bowl.

These false options people keep setting up only make one look silly.

I doubt Risen wants a Carter or Leaf type as our QB. But that doesn't mean, hey, drop your pants and overpay for your QB because oh well, it could be worse.

That's such bizarre logic to me. When the justification of why we need to sign Dak Prescott to a contract that would make him one of the 3-5 highest paid QBs in football is "hey, we could end up with a Ryan Leaf type QB" and "his contract will be lower on the QB pecking order in 3 years", that really doesn't seem like a really strong argument to me.

InTheZone · May 14, 2019

Sydla said:
These false options people keep setting up only make one look silly.

I doubt Risen wants a Carter or Leaf type as our QB. But that doesn't mean, hey, drop your pants and overpay for your QB because oh well, it could be worse.

That's such bizarre logic to me. When the justification of why we need to sign Dak Prescott to a contract that would make him one of the 3-5 highest paid QBs in football is "hey, we could end up with a Ryan Leaf type QB" and "his contract will be lower on the QB pecking order in 3 years", that really doesn't seem like a really strong argument to me.

Chuck 54 · May 14, 2019

Risen Star said:
When you pay a QB 30 million a year, you shouldn't have to also pay a WR 16 million and a RB another 16. That QB shouldn't need it. He should simply make stars of the next batch of skill players because he should be great. He's getting paid like it.

Prescott needs it and more.

What an absolute disgrace that contract will be.

Can't really disagree, but other than Brady, I'm not sure there's a QB in the league, including Wentz, Goff, Big Ben, and even Rodgers, so can win without a stud at WR. They have all had down years before having their skill positions improved dramatically.

I know Wilson isn't in the Rodgers or Brady level yet, but he does seem to make plays without total stars, though even he has had better playoff seasons with Lockett and when Baldwin has been healthy. It's rare for any QB to perform at a high level without at least 1 big-time go to guy.

JoeKing · May 14, 2019

Peter King ranked the Cowboys at 16 recently. He makes no sense if he believes that much in Dak. How can he think the rest of the team is that bad?

Sydla · May 14, 2019

JoeKing said:
Peter King ranked the Cowboys at 16 recently. He makes no sense if he believes that much in Dak. How can he think the rest of the team is that bad?

LOL. He must think the rest of the roster is mediocre junk.

sean10mm · May 14, 2019

OL is very good if healthy, which has been hit or miss
Great RB of course
Cooper is the only good WR or TE I can see, Witten is a rotting corpse, the rest are unknowns or career scrubs
D just got clowned on by a Rams team that only scored 3 in the Super Bowl so ehhhh at ranking them anything higher than "pretty good"

Hawkeye0202 · May 14, 2019

csirl said:
We need to be honest here. Would we see any noticeable drop in production if the likes of Bortles, Ftizmagic, Tyrod etc were behind center in place of Dak?

We may not be able to get an elite QB right now, but that's no reason to pay out 30m. At least if we only spend 5m or less we retain the flexibility to sign an elite QB if one becomes available or else improve other parts of the roster.

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