Peter King nuggets on Dak

WillieBeamen · May 14, 2019

Chuck 54 said:
Can't really disagree, but other than Brady, I'm not sure there's a QB in the league, including Wentz, Goff, Big Ben, and even Rodgers, so can win without a stud at WR. They have all had down years before having their skill positions improved dramatically.

I know Wilson isn't in the Rodgers or Brady level yet, but he does seem to make plays without total stars, though even he has had better playoff seasons with Lockett and when Baldwin has been healthy. It's rare for any QB to perform at a high level without at least 1 big-time go to guy.

What top 5 WR has won a Super Bowl in the last 15 years?

Because thats what Amari is going to be paid like

InTheZone · May 14, 2019

WillieBeamen said:
What top 5 WR has won a Super Bowl in the last 15 years?

Because thats what Amari is going to be paid like

Dream Team!!!

Little Jr · May 14, 2019

Sydla said:
These false options people keep setting up only make one look silly.

I doubt Risen wants a Carter or Leaf type as our QB. But that doesn't mean, hey, drop your pants and overpay for your QB because oh well, it could be worse.

That's such bizarre logic to me. When the justification of why we need to sign Dak Prescott to a contract that would make him one of the 3-5 highest paid QBs in football is "hey, we could end up with a Ryan Leaf type QB" and "his contract will be lower on the QB pecking order in 3 years", that really doesn't seem like a really strong argument to me.

It should make sense if you and others pay attention to how NFL contracts work, Especially at QB.

Dak will not get the top pay at QB, he'll get top 4-7. Being top 5 paid QB is what people can't grasp but I'm not sure why they cant grasp it if they pay attention. Carr was the highest paid when he signed his deal. Stafford was when he signed hia deal. Jimmy G was when he signed his deal. Cousins was when he signed his deal. Matt Ryan was when he signed his deal. Rodgers was when he signed his and he's the only one out of all them that can argue being the best in the NFL. Now its Wilson. He's good or even great but he's not the best in the NFL but he's the highest paid. Now big ben is 2 and hes not the 2nd best. Carr was the highest paid just 2 years ago and now he's 10. Cousins was just the highest paid a year ago and now he's 5th. Dak won't be the highest paid, 4th at best and he'll start dropping with in a year.

Again , I'm not sure what everyone has been watching over the past 20 years to not understand that this is how it's always been. People act like Dak is the first player to get top 5 money and not be top 5 at their position.

Goff, Watson, wentz if he stays healthy , mahomes, all will get 30m+ with in the next 2 years and all will get more than Dak. That's not counting the vets like rivers and luck that will get new contracts also and will also get 30m+ and more than Dak.

Sydla · May 14, 2019

Little Jr said:
It should make sense if you and others pay attention to how NFL contracts work, Especially at QB.

Dak will not get the top pay at QB, he'll get top 4-7. Being top 5 paid QB is what people can't grasp but I'm not sure why they cant grasp it if they pay attention. Carr was the highest paid when he signed his deal. Stafford was when he signed hia deal. Jimmy G was when he signed his deal. Cousins was when he signed his deal. Matt Ryan was when he signed his deal. Rodgers was when he signed his and he's the only one out of all them that can argue being the best in the NFL. Now its Wilson. He's good or even great but he's not the best in the NFL but he's the highest paid. Now big ben is 2 and hes not the 2nd best. Carr was the highest paid just 2 years ago and now he's 10. Cousins was just the highest paid a year ago and now he's 5th. Dak won't be the highest paid, 4th at best and he'll start dropping with in a year.

Again , I'm not sure what everyone has been watching over the past 20 years to not understand that this is how it's always been. People act like Dak is the first player to get top 5 money and not be top 5 at their position.

Goff, Watson, wentz if he stays healthy , mahomes, all will get 30m+ with in the next 2 years and all will get more than Dak. That's not counting the vets like rivers and luck that will get new contracts also and will also get 30m+ and more than Dak.

I understand how NFL contracts work.

Nowhere is it written or does it make sense that you overpay for a mediocre player NOW because in 3-4 years that player then won't have a Top 3-5 contract.

I mean why not pay Quinn a big DE contract now? Lock him up before he gets to FA in a year. It won't matter what you pay now because, hey, in a few years, his contract won't be a top DE contract anyway.

You list all those contracts like Carr and Stafford and Jimmy G and Cousins................ how many have worked out for their teams? Funny how you guys never mention that when talking about QB contracts. You point out all these teams that overpaid their QBs now (or then) under the same premise that hey, it's OK, those contracts won't seem so big in a few years............... great. How many teams can claim they got the return on those dollars?

There's no need to pay Dak now.

JJHLH1 · May 14, 2019

kskboys said:
No, Brady needs them too. He put up all of 13 points in the super bowl. Not sure why you'd even make that claim!!!!!!

Because Brady has led his team to 9 Super Bowls, winning 6 of them. That’s why he’s the GOAT. And he did it during the era of free agency and salary caps which are specifically designed to keep one team from dominating, making his achievements even more impressive. Brady makes Cowboy castoffs like Danny Amendola look like world beaters.

DuncanIso · May 14, 2019

ItzKelz said:
I would argue that Dak is better than Cam and Wentz right now as we speak. Regardless what this clearly shows is you cant even bank on a 1st round pick to become a better than average QB. Sign the man

Except Dak played terrible in the Carolina game last season.

Remember ?

And the Skins game...where he butt fumbled in the end zone ...to cement the loss.

Remember ?

aikemirv · May 14, 2019

Hawkeye0202 said:
Nailed it........

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ing/?cid=fmiatwking#10-things-i-think-i-think

5. I think the Dallas Cowboys should take a deep breath and sign Dak Prescott—five years, $150 milion ($90 million guaranteed) sounds about correct—before he plays well enough this year to push him into Russell Wilson land. Prescott’s not a top-five quarterback, but you absolutely can win with him, and he can play well enough in and out of the pocket to be competitive in the biggest games on the schedule. And he is a very good face of the franchise, eminently trustworthy and a good leader. For those who swear he’s not worth it, ask yourself this question: What is the alternative, and are you willing to let Prescott walk away while the Cowboys go the draft-and-develop route in the near future?

Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott. (Getty Images)
6. I think some Cowboys fans would like, in part because of the financial sanity, the advantage to having a rookie quarterback not chew up your cap. But let’s look at the first-round quarterbacks in the most recent seven drafts, and let’s see how many are better than Prescott. I don’t include 2018 and 2019 because we don’t know the results of their play yet. We are not sure of all of these players, but we have a pretty good idea about most.

Quarterbacks drafted in the first round between 2011 and 2017, compared to Prescott

Total first-round QBs: 20.

Clearly not as good as Prescott … 11 of 20 (55 percent): Jake Locker (8th pick, 2011), Blaine Gabbert (10-2011), Christian Ponder (12-2011), Robert Griffin III (2-2012), Ryan Tannehill (8-2012), Brandon Weeden (22-2012), E.J. Manuel (16-2013), Blake Bortles (3-2014), Johnny Manziel (22-2014), Teddy Bridgewater (32-2014), Paxton Lynch (26-2016).

Too close to call right now, but Prescott has an edge … 3 of 20 (15 percent): Jameis Winston (1-2015), Marcus Mariota (2-2015), Mitchell Trubisky (2-2017).

Clearly better than Prescott … 3 of 20 (15 percent): Cam Newton (1-2011), Andrew Luck (1-2012), Patrick Mahomes (10-2017).

Better than Prescott, though with an injury asterisk … 1 of 20 (5 percent): Carson Wentz (2-2016).

Too close to call right now, but they look better than Prescott to me … 2 of 20 (10 percent):Jared Goff (1-2016), Deshaun Watson (12-2017).

So—and we’re sure to disagree on a few of these—I have Prescott with at least a slight edge on 14 of the 20 first-round quarterbacks picked between 2011 and 2017. So, Cowboy fans: Are you sure you want to roll the dice, cast Prescott aside in the near future, and take your shot with the next hot young first-rounder? I will remind you: In 2016, I covered the Cowboys draft, and I was inside their process, and Jerry Jones looked like his dog just died after he and his scouting group missed out on Paxton Lynch, and they were ticked off again to miss out on Connor Cook atop the fourth round, which left them with … Dak Prescott.

I agree with him except I am not sure we can win (playoffs and championships ) with him making 30 million.

Otherwise he is spot on. We definitely can win games - obviosuly but that 30 million is going to create a hole somewhere that HIS play cannot overcome!

Rayman70 · May 14, 2019

Cam Newton may not be elite, but the poor boy has little help except for McCaffrey. Hard to judge him based off of the trash he's had at WR. Point is, its a team game and even QB's as good as Cam must have weapons to get to and win the big Dance. SOME think he's a bus driver I guess lol...which is hilarious. Its he and McCaffrey...and that's it. The oline is a mixed bag of hot garbage in my opinion.

Rayman70 · May 14, 2019

DuncanIso said:
Except Dak played terrible in the Carolina game last season.

Remember ?

And the Skins game...where he butt fumbled in the end zone ...to cement the loss.

Remember ?

yes, he did, but lets give Carolina some credit for a good defense.

CCBoy · May 14, 2019

Since Dak became the starting quarterback, Week One of the 2016 season, Prescott has done nothing but put himself in rare air.

Only the Patriots Tom Brady (38) and the Steelers Ben Roethlisberger (33), have more regular season wins than Prescott’s 32.

Prescott’s 86 total touchdowns since 2016 ranks eighth best. Of the other seven quarterbacks above him, only Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers (15) and Brady (21) have less than Dak’s 25 interceptions.

Let’s also take this moment to remind you that Prescott turns 26 in July. Brady is 42, while Roethlisberger and Rodgers are both 36 or older. All of this points to the fact that Prescott is about to get a huge contract. What he deserves and what the Dallas Cowboys will pay him are probably not that far from each other...

https://thelandryhat.com/2019/05/14/dallas-cowboys-must-extend-dak-prescott/

Be careful in undervaluing Dak Prescott.

G2 · May 14, 2019

Sydla said:
I understand how NFL contracts work.

Nowhere is it written or does it make sense that you overpay for a mediocre player NOW because in 3-4 years that player then won't have a Top 3-5 contract.

I mean why not pay Quinn a big DE contract now? Lock him up before he gets to FA in a year. It won't matter what you pay now because, hey, in a few years, his contract won't be a top DE contract anyway.

You list all those contracts like Carr and Stafford and Jimmy G and Cousins................ how many have worked out for their teams? Funny how you guys never mention that when talking about QB contracts. You point out all these teams that overpaid their QBs now (or then) under the same premise that hey, it's OK, those contracts won't seem so big in a few years............... great. How many teams can claim they got the return on those dollars?

There's no need to pay Dak now.

Sure you get it.

Sydla · May 14, 2019

Streetwise said:
Sure you get it.

It's really a simple concept.

You don't pay a non-elite player an elite contract simply because in a few years his contract won't be as high on the positional pecking order. That's how teams end up with bad contracts and cap issues. Because even if Dak's $30MM a year ends up only being the 10th highest AAV in 3 years, he's still eating up roughly 15% of the team's cap space most likely. And if he's just 10-12ish ranked QB, that's not a great thing.

And you especially don't do it when you don't have to, like the Cowboys don't have to do anything with Dak right now. This rush to get what some of you think will be a "bargain" contract doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Little Jr · May 14, 2019

Sydla said:
I understand how NFL contracts work.

Nowhere is it written or does it make sense that you overpay for a mediocre player NOW because in 3-4 years that player then won't have a Top 3-5 contract.

I mean why not pay Quinn a big DE contract now? Lock him up before he gets to FA in a year. It won't matter what you pay now because, hey, in a few years, his contract won't be a top DE contract anyway.

You list all those contracts like Carr and Stafford and Jimmy G and Cousins................ how many have worked out for their teams? Funny how you guys never mention that when talking about QB contracts. You point out all these teams that overpaid their QBs now (or then) under the same premise that hey, it's OK, those contracts won't seem so big in a few years............... great. How many teams can claim they got the return on those dollars?

There's no need to pay Dak now.

And no where has any one said, you pay Dak now 30m because in 2-3 years he won't have top 3-5 contract as the REASON you do it. People use the 2-3 years down the road to try to explain to people, who obviously think this will be the first time that a player not in the top 5 gets top 5 money, that's how it works and how it ALWAYS has worked.

As far as the return on the contracts that I mentioned, what returns are we talking about ?

Sydla · May 14, 2019

Little Jr said:
As far as the return on the contracts that I mentioned, what returns are we talking about ?

Wins, championships, etc.

What have Derek Carr, Stafford, Jimmy G, Cousins, Bortles (another QB paid too much by a team desperate to try to lock him into what they viewed as a bargain or fair contract), etc. won? Shoot, Bortles might be the most accomplished on that list as he actually played in a champ game.

And your comment about Top 5 money is a total strawman. No one arguing against paying Dak now claims or thinks that only Top 5 players get Top 5 money. It happens all the time........... often with limited results, which is why people are arguing that paying Dak that kind of money might not be the wisest move at this point in time.

Scotman · May 14, 2019

Little Jr said:
16m a year or 30m a year, it won't change his marketability. He'd be passing up on 14m a year and that would just be dumb. Especially in a sport(business) that tomorrow isn't guaranteed.

No amount of money is too much money. It's called capitalism. It might not be about taking care of their family as far as a roof over their head or food in their stomach but it is about setting up multiple generations and there is nothing wrong with that.

You're not wrong. And I just threw numbers out there. But I would honestly negotiate it differently if I were in that position.

ItzKelz · May 14, 2019

DuncanIso said:
Except Dak played terrible in the Carolina game last season.

Remember ?

And the Skins game...where he butt fumbled in the end zone ...to cement the loss.

Remember ?

Or leading 3-5 counted out Dallas Cowboys to a 10-6 finish and playoff birth and victory against the 35 million dollar man...............Remember?

northerncowboynation · May 14, 2019

Hawkeye0202 said:
Nailed it........

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ing/?cid=fmiatwking#10-things-i-think-i-think

5. I think the Dallas Cowboys should take a deep breath and sign Dak Prescott—five years, $150 milion ($90 million guaranteed) sounds about correct—before he plays well enough this year to push him into Russell Wilson land. Prescott’s not a top-five quarterback, but you absolutely can win with him, and he can play well enough in and out of the pocket to be competitive in the biggest games on the schedule. And he is a very good face of the franchise, eminently trustworthy and a good leader. For those who swear he’s not worth it, ask yourself this question: What is the alternative, and are you willing to let Prescott walk away while the Cowboys go the draft-and-develop route in the near future?

Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott. (Getty Images)
6. I think some Cowboys fans would like, in part because of the financial sanity, the advantage to having a rookie quarterback not chew up your cap. But let’s look at the first-round quarterbacks in the most recent seven drafts, and let’s see how many are better than Prescott. I don’t include 2018 and 2019 because we don’t know the results of their play yet. We are not sure of all of these players, but we have a pretty good idea about most.

Quarterbacks drafted in the first round between 2011 and 2017, compared to Prescott

Total first-round QBs: 20.

Clearly not as good as Prescott … 11 of 20 (55 percent): Jake Locker (8th pick, 2011), Blaine Gabbert (10-2011), Christian Ponder (12-2011), Robert Griffin III (2-2012), Ryan Tannehill (8-2012), Brandon Weeden (22-2012), E.J. Manuel (16-2013), Blake Bortles (3-2014), Johnny Manziel (22-2014), Teddy Bridgewater (32-2014), Paxton Lynch (26-2016).

Too close to call right now, but Prescott has an edge … 3 of 20 (15 percent): Jameis Winston (1-2015), Marcus Mariota (2-2015), Mitchell Trubisky (2-2017).

Clearly better than Prescott … 3 of 20 (15 percent): Cam Newton (1-2011), Andrew Luck (1-2012), Patrick Mahomes (10-2017).

Better than Prescott, though with an injury asterisk … 1 of 20 (5 percent): Carson Wentz (2-2016).

Too close to call right now, but they look better than Prescott to me … 2 of 20 (10 percent):Jared Goff (1-2016), Deshaun Watson (12-2017).

So—and we’re sure to disagree on a few of these—I have Prescott with at least a slight edge on 14 of the 20 first-round quarterbacks picked between 2011 and 2017. So, Cowboy fans: Are you sure you want to roll the dice, cast Prescott aside in the near future, and take your shot with the next hot young first-rounder? I will remind you: In 2016, I covered the Cowboys draft, and I was inside their process, and Jerry Jones looked like his dog just died after he and his scouting group missed out on Paxton Lynch, and they were ticked off again to miss out on Connor Cook atop the fourth round, which left them with … Dak Prescott.

When I was a kid, we called boogers nuggets especially when a kid had his finger jammed up his nose.... in going with the Peter Kings nugget thing :muttley:

Sydla · May 14, 2019

ItzKelz said:
Or leading 3-5 counted out Dallas Cowboys to a 10-6 finish and playoff birth and victory against the 35 million dollar man...............Remember?

When he got a #1 WR.

Dak didn't hoist this team on his shoulders himself at 3-5 and "will" them to the division title.

csirl · May 14, 2019

I dont get this "his contract will not be elite in 3-5 years" argument.

In 3-5 years Dak is more likely to be sitting in a bench in the XFL or some other startup league than starting in the NFL.

Hawkeye0202 · May 14, 2019

northerncowboynation said:
When I was a kid, we called boogers nuggets especially when a kid had his finger jammed up his nose.... in going with the Peter Kings nugget thing

LOL ....too funny

Peter King nuggets on Dak

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