Peter King nuggets on Dak

erod

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Still not sure what all this Dak hate is about --

Does he need to improve -- Yes
Has he displayed the drive and desire to improve - Yes
Does he have all the leadership qualities for a QB - Yes
Is he clutch and does he win games - Yes
Is the 30 mil avg salary what the market bears for him -- Yes
Has he improved in his 3 years? No.
Has he played well without Zeke? No.
Can he run a pass-first type of offense like elite QBs? Hell no.
 

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The term Elite is relative and subject to different opinions / definitions. I don't really care about it much.. I just want my team to win.

Don't really care much either about all the back n forth dialogue on Dak either. Bottom line is the front office is gonna extend him. History will prove out if that was a right or wrong decision.

But for Grins --

Last game against the Giants showed what #4 can do without Zeke and in a wide open pass based attack. And I don't buy into the Giants didn't play hard theory. It was a division game at home for them.

And I am sure people will find games to support your argument.

But in coaching / scouting - if you see a player do it once -- you know they can do it, now the task it have them do it consistently.
 

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Last game against the Giants showed what #4 can do without Zeke and in a wide open pass based attack. And I don't buy into the Giants didn't play hard theory. It was a division game at home for them.
Independent of whatever Dak can be, this is untrue. They were not playing hard, and they were playing a JV roster, to boot. That game is not indicative of anything.
 

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I know Eli & Saquon played. and they put up 35 points on our defense.

True enough - It was just my opinion the Giants played hard. I could be wrong.

Because I am sure both teams did not play all their starters on both sides of the ball.
 

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Did you just compare Dak Prescott to Troy Aikman?

I'm not saying you shouldn't want great players everywhere but in this salary cap league you simply can't pay everyone. You can pay even less if you're giving your bus driver QB who needs stars around him 30 million of cap space.

So if the Cowboys were going to make the huge commitment of spending 30 million a year on a long term deal for a QB it should come with the luxury of not needing to resign their WR to top money and their RB to the richest deal in the history of the position. If that QB is worth that money he shouldn't need an all star squad that's not realistic under the cap. You shouldn't be handing out a contract like that and then looking to overcome his shortcomings. If he's got those shortcomings why the hell are you paying him 30 million a year?

It'll be the worst contract in the history of the league the moment it's signed. A QB who can't throw an out route. 30 million per. An abomination of epic proportions.

...Not a great alternative to Dak as QB at present...the Russell Wilson contract for 35MIL raised the anite for QBs...and Dak (a 4th RND Draft Pick) with the 2nd most wins in the NFL at this point in his career...IMO...deserves the 30MIL deal. Get the deal done now...an up and coming Patrick MaHomes deal will definitely raise prices again.
The cowboys have done fantastic with the cap...They will sign all their key players...anyway the contract will probably be front loaded with all the guaranteed money paid out in the first 3 years...if wonder boy falters the FO has an out.
 

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If you understood that then why did you imply King was contradicting himself? I'll quote "He suggests Dak will mimic Russell Wilson and then says he's not a top 5 QB."

Pretty much show that you didn't understand it. sport!!!
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I appreciate the effort, but if King suggests it's time to pay Dak before he plays like Russell Wilson, he believes Dak is capable of playing like RW. Then he goes on to say that he doesn't think Dak is top 5. Russell Wilson is in the top 5. No points off for trying!
 

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It's not doom it's realistic, this isn't Madden. It was 25% only if you could pick every 1st rd QB, out of 7 years only 5 would have been an improvement, which means there will be years that there is 0 QBs that would be worth the pick and risk. Since as you said, JJ is not good at evaluating QBs, it makes matters even worse. Too many delusional fans seem to think it's just that easy to just draft an elite QB, much less find an improvement on the current one.

Browns have been searching for decades since Kosar, Miami decades since Marino, Bills decades since Kelly. Have the Texans ever had a QB better than Dak before Watson, it sure wasn't Schaub. What about Mahomes and the Chiefs.... Alex Smith wasn't any better than Dak and before that, have to go back to a couple good years from Montana in the mid '90's? Washington just got Haskins, who knows how he'll turn out, but they did get a a few years of RG3 and Cousins, hard to think of that as a success since they're both already gone. Seahawks got Wilson, didn't take them long, just since Hasselbeck, Kitna, Mirer, Krieg? Rams got Goff, it didn't take them long to find him if you consider Bradford a success. Bears found Mitch who isn't as good, but didn't take them long if you think Cutler or Grossman were elite QBs. Point is teams don't willingly put themselves in a QB draft lottery when they have success and win games with their current starter.

Half the regular starters in the NFL are above average . While the ultra elite QBs are hard to find, most NFL teams have starting quality QBs who can make the vast majority of the throws needed. If it werent that way, most NFL teams would be old style run or wishbone teams. The facts are that the current NFL is a passing league.

I just dont buy the argument that we cant get a serviceable starter and have to overpay for less.
 

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Its imperative Dak is resigned this year. Wentz and Mahommes will absolutely reset the market next year and if Dak has another good year, his number will swell up.

Dak will look like a super bargain if its done soon.
 

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When you pay a QB 30 million a year, you shouldn't have to also pay a WR 16 million and a RB another 16. That QB shouldn't need it. He should simply make stars of the next batch of skill players because he should be great. He's getting paid like it.

Prescott needs it and more.

What an absolute disgrace that contract will be.
Dak doesn't make everyone around him better, he has to have elite talent around him to succeed.
 

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Nailed it........

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ing/?cid=fmiatwking#10-things-i-think-i-think


5. I think the Dallas Cowboys should take a deep breath and sign Dak Prescott—five years, $150 milion ($90 million guaranteed) sounds about correct—before he plays well enough this year to push him into Russell Wilson land. Prescott’s not a top-five quarterback, but you absolutely can win with him, and he can play well enough in and out of the pocket to be competitive in the biggest games on the schedule. And he is a very good face of the franchise, eminently trustworthy and a good leader. For those who swear he’s not worth it, ask yourself this question: What is the alternative, and are you willing to let Prescott walk away while the Cowboys go the draft-and-develop route in the near future?

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Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott. (Getty Images)
6. I think some Cowboys fans would like, in part because of the financial sanity, the advantage to having a rookie quarterback not chew up your cap. But let’s look at the first-round quarterbacks in the most recent seven drafts, and let’s see how many are better than Prescott. I don’t include 2018 and 2019 because we don’t know the results of their play yet. We are not sure of all of these players, but we have a pretty good idea about most.

Quarterbacks drafted in the first round between 2011 and 2017, compared to Prescott

Total first-round QBs: 20.

Clearly not as good as Prescott … 11 of 20 (55 percent): Jake Locker (8th pick, 2011), Blaine Gabbert (10-2011), Christian Ponder (12-2011), Robert Griffin III (2-2012), Ryan Tannehill (8-2012), Brandon Weeden (22-2012), E.J. Manuel (16-2013), Blake Bortles (3-2014), Johnny Manziel (22-2014), Teddy Bridgewater (32-2014), Paxton Lynch (26-2016).

Too close to call right now, but Prescott has an edge … 3 of 20 (15 percent): Jameis Winston (1-2015), Marcus Mariota (2-2015), Mitchell Trubisky (2-2017).

Clearly better than Prescott … 3 of 20 (15 percent): Cam Newton (1-2011), Andrew Luck (1-2012), Patrick Mahomes (10-2017).

Better than Prescott, though with an injury asterisk … 1 of 20 (5 percent): Carson Wentz (2-2016).

Too close to call right now, but they look better than Prescott to me … 2 of 20 (10 percent):Jared Goff (1-2016), Deshaun Watson (12-2017).

So—and we’re sure to disagree on a few of these—I have Prescott with at least a slight edge on 14 of the 20 first-round quarterbacks picked between 2011 and 2017. So, Cowboy fans: Are you sure you want to roll the dice, cast Prescott aside in the near future, and take your shot with the next hot young first-rounder? I will remind you: In 2016, I covered the Cowboys draft, and I was inside their process, and Jerry Jones looked like his dog just died after he and his scouting group missed out on Paxton Lynch, and they were ticked off again to miss out on Connor Cook atop the fourth round, which left them with … Dak Prescott.
i'm not a dak fan but this is one of the more compelling arguments i've seen made.
 

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You have two young WR's, a young RB. An old man at TE that can hopefully still contribute. And a fairly young OL that has some top spots in their respective positions. A young , up and coming defense that should only be better.

So, let's see that they waste all the talent and time around them and start over at QB.

Yea, cause that makes sense.

Pay the man, and, hopefully the others will fall into place.

The problem is...Dak will go through games where he does NOT play well.

Sometimes it will go on for several games... for example the 3-5 start. The butt fumble in the endzone vs the Skins. The Carolina game. etc. etc.

Sometimes for a season. 2017.

Then he will play well. 7-1 finish to the 2018 season.

He also have problems throwing the freaking football.

That's why some of us are not solid on Dak. He has issues.
 

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The thing about DAK is..

we will pay him all this money..

and he will continue having the same issues..

Accuracy issues..

holding onto the ball too long..

taking sacks or running for his life.

He has been very protective of himself so far and staying healthy.

But I wonder with all his new money..

if he will be taking more risks now trying to play up to his salary increase.

Or will he become even more conservative to protect himself.?

Curious.
You must be not reading all the other threads, didn't you know all Dak's faults are easily fixable, they hired a high school coach to coach him up and made the one that couldn't fix him the new OC because of his familiarity with the Scott Linehan offense. So next season Dak will not have any of the problems you are worried about.
 

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I appreciate the effort, but if King suggests it's time to pay Dak before he plays like Russell Wilson, he believes Dak is capable of playing like RW. Then he goes on to say that he doesn't think Dak is top 5. Russell Wilson is in the top 5. No points off for trying!

Again I'll try to help your inability to understand what was written. King described Prescott's 1st three seasons as not being top 5, BUT, that huge word, BUT, King thinks that this season Prescott will play like a top 5 QB and will move himself into the Wilson range.
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I agree...YET lets look at the theory when it came to Aikman. He had Emmitt and IRVIN ,Moose and Novacek….just sayin...we had to pay those guys around Troy some big bucks. Was Troy a bus driver? Just askin...
Good point but I don't think there was a cap back then so that makes a difference by today's situation.
Brady goes on record of saying that if winning is the highest objective, then being one of or the highest paid QB in the league has to be secondary because you have to pay other positions to win consistently. Now Brady has the luxury of a wife who's occupation can pay the bills and he also admits that.
Solution: Dak need to find a rich wife and problem solved.
 

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The problem is...Dak will go through games where he does NOT play well.

Sometimes it will go on for several games... for example the 3-5 start. The butt fumble in the endzone vs the Skins. The Carolina game. etc. etc.

Sometimes for a season. 2017.

Then he will play well. 7-1 finish to the 2018 season.

He also have problems throwing the freaking football.

That's why some of us are not solid on Dak. He has issues.

Name a QB that hasn't had a bad play and or game. Then you TRY to put the entire blame for the rough start last season on Prescott instead on the entire team. You van verify that EVERY other Cowboy on the field during that rough start carried out their assignments perfectly on every play. Lastly like so many who TRY by cherry picking a play here or they make it look like there are so many by the etc. etc. All you've done is prove you're don't like Prescott BUT, that huge word again, BUT, failed to convincingly proved anything.
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Good point but I don't think there was a cap back then so that makes a difference by today's situation.
Brady goes on record of saying that if winning is the highest objective, then being one of or the highest paid QB in the league has to be secondary because you have to pay other positions to win consistently. Now Brady has the luxury of a wife who's occupation can pay the bills and he also admits that.
Solution: Dak need to find a rich wife and problem solved.

One of the reasons we can't compare the 90's Cowboys with today's is the fact that there was no cap. Jones was paying backups starter money who after the cap started went to other teams and started. That made it easy to rotate players and keep the starters fresher. Also people using Brady's salary are being a little disingenuous. Brady had a small base salary and that is what people keep bringing up but they forget about all the bonus money he also got.
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When you pay a QB 30 million a year, you shouldn't have to also pay a WR 16 million and a RB another 16. That QB shouldn't need it. He should simply make stars of the next batch of skill players because he should be great. He's getting paid like it.

Prescott needs it and more.

What an absolute disgrace that contract will be.
You’d think 2017 without Elliott and 2018 without Cooper would be enough evidence?

Apparently our FO must be planning on signing both of them which means they must be planning on letting the OL go at some point or key defensive players.
 

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Winning is a team stat. Unless the QB is the driving force behind winning I'm not paying him 30 million a year.

When you play the Cowboys the last thing you worry about is the QB beating you. He's a bus driver, bro. You don't pay bus drivers like they are franchise QBs and you can't put the supporting cast around him that he needs if you do. Guys like Rodgers and Brady don't need elite WRs and RBs. They are the reason why they win. They don't have to be carried. This QB has to be carried.

What's your back up plan?
 
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