Where do you stand on Garrett and why?

Big_D

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Can't wait til he's gone. I'm looking forward to a new coach who isn't the owners pet project. This has gone on for too long.
 

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Sadly this won't change even when garrett gets blown out. Hopefully the next spineless pet has more coaching ability


Probably, but when Garrett was hired you just knew Jerry's intentions from day one. I don't see another candidate who will get this kind of time to make things happen. Specially with Jerry at 76. Clocks ticking. I'm betting there will be more urgency unless they want to waste this roster too.
 

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Lol! Outta sight, outta mind.

No because you have a take on something everyone should feel as you do? I have meant people I thought were jerks yet other people like them and vise versa. You come in here call out a member and saying this is a serious question? No it is not a serious question it is the same BS threads of trashing the team or coach like there is not a thousands of them already.
 

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Garrett’s a so-so head coach; a company man who stoically perseveres despite an ego-centric meddling “owner/GM” who goes so far as to dictate many — if not most — of the coaching staff hires/fires.

Garrett’s lasted so long under Jerry Jones because JG will never make waves regarding the Cowboys’ organizational structure, won’t complain when Jerry publicly disagrees with the JG’s assessment of the team and appears to be comfortable with Jerry and Stephen giving the majority of the press statements.

As long as the team is reasonably competitive, Jerry will bend over backwards to keep Garrett as HC.
 

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Garrett’s a so-so head coach; a company man who stoically perseveres despite an ego-centric meddling “owner/GM” who goes so far as to dictate many — if not most — of the coaching staff hires/fires.

Garrett’s lasted so long under Jerry Jones because JG will never make waves regarding the Cowboys’ organizational structure, won’t complain when Jerry publicly disagrees with the JG’s assessment of the team and appears to be comfortable with Jerry and Stephen giving the majority of the press statements.

As long as the team is reasonably competitive, Jerry will bend over backwards to keep Garrett as HC.

I think if Jerry felt that way he would have extended the contract.
 

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JG is a great coach. You see the Jimmy Johnson and Nick Saben traits. This is his year.....hate or love him. Predicting another Coach of the Year and his first Superbowl.

So your saying he's gonna end up taking credit for Kellen Moores's work/innovation? Sounds about right....:popcorn:
 

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No because you have a take on something everyone should feel as you do? I have meant people I thought were jerks yet other people like them and vise versa. You come in here call out a member and saying this is a serious question? No it is not a serious question it is the same BS threads of trashing the team or coach like there is not a thousands of them already.
Ya, ya, ya,keep crying. You know a lot behind your keyboard!! Who and what are you to question me? Have you ever met this idiot? I think not!!! Lol!
 

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No because you have a take on something everyone should feel as you do? I have meant people I thought were jerks yet other people like them and vise versa. You come in here call out a member and saying this is a serious question? No it is not a serious question it is the same BS threads of trashing the team or coach like there is not a thousands of them already.
Keep kissing his butt, maybe he'll crap a diamond some day!
 

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Most if you know I think Garrett sucks, and those of you that have been around for a while know my reasoning. In a nutshell, I think he's arrogant, back stabbed Wade, and has no clue how to properly manage the flow of a game and much less during crunch time. @Idgit is on the other side of the spectrum. He loves his red headed Jesus. Why? I have no clue. Where do you stand and why?

I think you are right: @Idgit is on the one side of the spectrum and you are on the other side. Fundamentalists or extremists are never right. The truth is complex and can be found in the middle of the poles.

But to admit that it takes a rational approach. Most of the time you have to take your own ego in question. For some people thats the hardest thing to do. So its easier to find an extreme stance. Switch off the brain when you are confronted by arguments that will question your point of view. To some thats easier to live with. I respect that too.
 

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I think you are right: @Idgit is on the one side of the spectrum and you are on the other side. Fundamentalists or extremists are never right. The truth is complex and can be found in the middle of the poles.

But to admit that it takes a rational approach. Most of the time you have to take your own ego in question. For some people thats the hardest thing to do.
Most of my hate is in jest. Garrett does some good things, I just wish he would do great things. We are the Dallas Cowboys and we should expect greatness.
 

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Most of my hate is in jest. Garrett does some good things, I just wish he would do great things. We are the Dallas Cowboys and we should expect greatness.

And you are right.

Garrett has its negatives. He is a bad OC and has no feel for the game. But i think in his role as a manager he has great value for us.

I dont think that if we had another HC we had that great scouting departement and SJ as our new GM in place. And i dont think SJ would have listend to the salary cap decissions we made. And therefore i dont think we would have been in that great shape moneywise.

Maybe i am wrong about Garrett and that is not all his merit. I just cant help to think it is. He manages to surround us with a great staff and somehow knows how to let the FO listen to the people who actually know how to manage a successfull NFL franchise.
 

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Just a few days ago, I googled head coach rankings, and also searched all the major sports/football sites I know. There are several rankings. Garrett was ranked between 10th in the league, and 18th in the league.

On the one hand, someone could say he is about average, and is not adding a lot of wins. On the other hand, one could argue that Garrett would be a coaching upgrade for half the teams in the league.
 

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Just a few days ago, I googled head coach rankings, and also searched all the major sports/football sites I know. There are several rankings. Garrett was ranked between 10th in the league, and 18th in the league.

On the one hand, someone could say he is about average, and is not adding a lot of wins. On the other hand, one could argue that Garrett would be a coaching upgrade for half the teams in the league.
Or a downgrade for the upper half
 

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I've been through this so many times before, but since this is a more or less serious thread on the topic, I'll chime in again. I like Garrett. I think he's specifically a good fit for this team and this market. I don't necessarily love everything about him, but he offers far more good than bad and he's become the reactionary whipping boy for the organizations' failures despite overseeing a period of the most stability and success we've had in Dallas going back to Jimmy Johnson.

What I don't like about the guy: I'm not a particular fan of his passing offense. I appreciate a good conservative approach to a game plan, but I think he errs on the side of not taking risks too often specifically when he's got a good team (though he *is* more aggressive when he's got a team he trusts, for sure. He's still not aggressive enough for my liking). He's a very middling game-day coach. And even though he's had a lot of success teaming up with Stephen in managing Jerry's roster haymakers and the traveling circus he brings with him wherever he goes, he hasn't been able to restrain all of those impulses, and it's hurt the roster composition a bit (drafting Gregory is an example. Keeping Greg Hardy on the roster a full season is another).

He does a great job building the culture, though. He's obviously very organized when it comes to the development plan for how the season is structured. You know he does a good job managing his staff and keeping them on the schedule. I like how he's built the team from the lines out. I like how he puts an emphasis on straight up out-executing the other team (I know a ton of people hate that, but it's a perfectly legitimate way to prepare a team). He revamped the scouting department when he took over, integrated player selection tighter with his position coaches, the organization elevated McClay twice during that period, and he's overseen the best drafting we've had, again, since Jimmy. I know everybody loves to pretend that Jerry just changed is mind in a vacuum and that we did the 180 on the terrible drafting we did under Wade coincidentally, but that's obviously just a fantasy. However much credit you give Jason for his influence in selecting the players he wants on his team, it was a dramatic departure from what we had been doing right before he was made HC.

I love how he handles the Dallas media, because the Dallas media sucks and is only looking for something incendiary to write about so that the circus stays in town. I like how he's set a culture of not talking and instead just working hard. I like that he runs public interference for his coaches even when privately they're having discussions about who to let go and why. I like that he never publicly blames players and rarely slips up (like he did with Callahan) and blames anybody at all when things don't go well.

He's just a good, solid coach. Which is evidenced by how his staff and his team feels about him and by the number of games he's managed to win--with two different starting QBs--since he's put his team together. He's got his faults, but he's brought stability to an organization that was a riot before he got here. He's still looking for more success, despite an owner who comes with his own mixed bag of issues and who doesn't think twice about throwing his coaches under a bus.

Fans hate him, because he's boring and sort of creepy and he looks and acts externally like a 'yes' man who's been neutered by his boss. It doesn't matter that pretty much everybody who ever gets behind the veil says that's completely not the case. They won't hear anything different. They're already trying to raise Kellen Moore up to get the credit for any success we might have in what feels like a pretty competitive season. They guy is literally in a no-win situation as far as the fans go, which is just fine by him because the people who actually know what's-what are probably going to end up extending him again because the facts are, the guy knows what he's doing whether you want to admit it or not.

So, there's that. I'm not going to defend the points here, because I know what's going to happen when I hit Post Reply and I have no desire to dodge monkey-poo for the next three hours or so. But at least it's out there again so you can all tell me I'm crazy again as we continue to rack up wins and improve the team some more. Have at it.
 

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Most of my hate is in jest. Garrett does some good things, I just wish he would do great things. We are the Dallas Cowboys and we should expect greatness.


You do understand that Garrett will be here for life? If Jerry relieves him of Head Coaching duties, he will just promote him to the Front Office. There's been a Garrett employed by this organization since 1987, Jason is a legacy, he ain't going anywhere.
 

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Most if you know I think Garrett sucks, and those of you that have been around for a while know my reasoning. In a nutshell, I think he's arrogant, back stabbed Wade, and has no clue how to properly manage the flow of a game and much less during crunch time. @Idgit is on the other side of the spectrum. He loves his red headed Jesus. Why? I have no clue. Where do you stand and why?

His record speaks for itself. 2 playoff wins in 9 years. Would get any other coached not named Marvin Lewis fired.
 
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