Stats Dak vs Wentz

CalPolyTechnique · May 19, 2019

DakPresgoat said:
Yet in 2017, the eagles’ only had 55 less rushing yards than the cowboys and had the same YPA.

If you remove the QB rushing yards. They were actually almost exactly the same.

In 2016 and 2018?

CalPolyTechnique · May 19, 2019

xwalker said:
I said in post #88 in this thread that QBR was created by ESPN and that there are multiple sources for getting the QBR stats.

You posted an extensive list of stats, yet you didn’t include regular season QBR which is based off a larger sample size and therefore a more accurate rating.

Why?

HungryLion · May 19, 2019

CalPolyTechnique said:
In 2016 and 2018?

Look up the stats yourself. Although you probably know the answer. My response was to a specific comment Made by charron to point out that the eagles haven’t had a poor rushing game all 3 seasons and for at least one, had a rushing game just as good.

The cowboys had the better rushing game. Then again, it’s easy to argue the Eagles had a much stronger receiving Corp in 2018 and for sure a better coaching staff since 2016.

Hadenough · May 19, 2019

Kaiser said:
Here is my favorite Dak and Wentz stat:

Cost in draft picks for acquiring Wentz:

#1
#1
#2
#3
#4

Cost to acquire Dak:

#4

That's a lot of picks but Wentz has one ring already and possibly could get more.

CalPolyTechnique · May 19, 2019

DakPresgoat said:
Look up the stats yourself. Although you probably know the answer. My response was to a specific comment Made by charron to point out that the eagles haven’t had a poor rushing game all 3 seasons and for at least one, had a rushing game just as good.

The cowboys had the better rushing game. Then again, it’s easy to argue the Eagles had a much stronger receiving Corp in 2018 and for sure a better coaching staff since 2016.

Precisely.

Kaiser · May 19, 2019

Hadenough said:
That's a lot of picks but Wentz has one ring already and possibly could get more.

The Philly Long Snapper got a ring that year, does that justify giving up multiple premium picks for him?

HungryLion · May 19, 2019

CalPolyTechnique said:
Precisely.

I don’t necessarily think Dak is better than Wentz. That being said, I do think it’s a fair comparison.

Which is a good thing.

CalPolyTechnique · May 19, 2019

DakPresgoat said:
I don’t necessarily think Dak is better than Wentz. That being said, I do think it’s a fair comparison.

Which is a good thing.

Fair enough.

I’m not arguing Wentz > Dak.

It’s just the arguments intended to deride Wentz are laughable.

Imagine if it was Dak instead of Wentz that went 11-2 in 2017, helping set up his team for the postseason winning their division and their eventual Super Bowl run. Do you think for one second the same Dak blowhards trying to discredit Wentz from any contribution to that Super Bowl season would make the same arguments against Dak?

Hadenough · May 19, 2019

Kaiser said:
The Philly Long Snapper got a ring that year, does that justify giving up multiple premium picks for him?

I think Wentz has the better chance of winning another SB when all is said and done. Especially once each guy gets paid.
I think Zeke is a fantastic player but Dallas should of traded up 2 spots to secure Wentz or Goff.

cowboy_ron · May 19, 2019

Hadenough said:
I think Wentz has the better chance of winning another SB when all is said and done. Especially once each guy gets paid.
I think Zeke is a fantastic player but Dallas should of traded up 2 spots to secure Wentz or Goff.

Wentz has the better chance to win ANOTHER SB? When did he win his 1st one?

Hadenough · May 19, 2019

cowboy_ron said:
Wentz has the better chance to win ANOTHER SB? When did he win his 1st one?

Last I checked the dude had 30 td and 7 int. And as a bonus got a ring.

mattjames2010 · May 19, 2019

xwalker said:
I said in post #88 in this thread that QBR was created by ESPN and that there are multiple sources for getting the QBR stats.

Yet you used ESPN's QBR because it favors Prescott. The eye test alone shows through the Colts game, Mahomes put them away early so he didn't have to do much and he was on another level Prescott won't even reach in his dreams in the second half of the Patriots game.

Tom Brady was also clutch not once, not twice, but three times in the Chiefs game - one time being so clutch he kept Mahomes from getting the ball again and put the game away to get to the Super Bowl where he was, yet again, also clutch getting his sixth ring.

Hadenough · May 19, 2019

mattjames2010 said:
Yet you used ESPN's QBR because it favors Prescott. The eye test alone shows through the Colts game, Mahomes put them away early so he didn't have to do much and he was on another level Prescott won't even reach in his dreams in the second half of the Patriots game.

Tom Brady was also clutch not once, not twice, but three times in the Chiefs game - one time being so clutch he kept Mahomes from getting the ball again and put the game away to get to the Super Bowl where he was, yet again, also clutch getting his sixth ring.

So true! Those type of stats aren't recorded. Brady being able to play keep away when it really mattered most.

CalPolyTechnique · May 19, 2019

Hadenough said:
I think Wentz has the better chance of winning another SB when all is said and done. Especially once each guy gets paid.
I think Zeke is a fantastic player but Dallas should of traded up 2 spots to secure Wentz or Goff.

Don’t bother. These guys are fanboys not football fans.

This group’s trying to figure out a way to photoshop Dak into Mike Saxon’s #4 jersey in the team photos from the 90s Super Bowl run to try and give him credit for a few rings.

Hadenough · May 19, 2019

Watching Dak getting skunked against the Colts was just awful. Just because the running game gets shut down doesnt mean the game is over except in Dallas. You can't pay a QB 30 mil that lays eggs when his running game is smothered.

HungryLion · May 19, 2019

CalPolyTechnique said:
Fair enough.

I’m not arguing Wentz > Dak.

It’s just the arguments intended to deride Wentz are laughable.

Imagine if it was Dak instead of Wentz that went 11-2 in 2017, helping set up his team for the postseason winning their division and their eventual Super Bowl run. Do you think for one second the same Dak blowhards trying to discredit Wentz from any contribution to that Super Bowl season would make the same arguments against Dak?

There’s definitely extreme arguments on both side. Can’t argue that.

PhillySpecial · May 19, 2019

xwalker said:
I said in post #88 in this thread that QBR was created by ESPN and that there are multiple sources for getting the QBR stats.

I have to tell you, it sure seems like some posters are trying awfully hard to convince themselves that Prescott is better than Wentz.

In 2017 Wentz didn't play the 4th quarters of the Broncos and Bears games because the games were decided by then. He could've compiled more positive stats. (you're using career stats)

The next time Dallas wins a road game in which Prescott gets blitzed 24 times and gets defensive looks the opposing team has yet to put on tape will be the 1st time Dallas wins a game like that with Prescott. If Prescott got blitzed 24 times in one game he'd be shell-shocked for the rest of the season.

I've never seen a QB run out of bounds behind the LOS for a sack as often as Prescott does. What happens to his completion % if he throws those balls away for an incomplete pass? You know, because his attempts would increase and his completions would decrease.

charron · May 19, 2019

DakPresgoat said:
What’s it matter if it’s one back doing it or multiple backs doing it? There’s really no difference.

And it’s been noted in this thread that Dak went into a slump the second half of that season. If not for that slump, Dak’s total stats would dwarf Carson’s.

That’s what makes it a fair comparison.

Easier to defend when multiple backs are used. Typically they have a general role used ie. Pass catching sproles etc. It goes along with the fact teams align to stop Zeke #1 and then coop and worry about Dak later. Thought Tate would have been a bigger threat with the sheggles but glad he wasn't.

C42 · May 19, 2019

DakPresgoat said:
What’s it matter if it’s one back doing it or multiple backs doing it? There’s really no difference.

I think the difference would be in the game planning of the opponent. Teams aren’t game planning to stop Josh Adams/Wendell Smallwood (last year’s backs) as compared to Zeke. They are likely dropping back in coverage vs. stacking the box.

C42 · May 19, 2019

charron said:
Easier to defend when multiple backs are used. Typically they have a general role used ie. Pass catching sproles etc. It goes along with the fact teams align to stop Zeke #1 and then coop and worry about Dak later. Thought Tate would have been a bigger threat with the sheggles but glad he wasn't.

Beat me to it.

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