Stats Dak vs Wentz

HungryLion · May 19, 2019

charron said:
Easier to defend when multiple backs are used. Typically they have a general role used ie. Pass catching sproles etc. It goes along with the fact teams align to stop Zeke #1 and then coop and worry about Dak later. Thought Tate would have been a bigger threat with the sheggles but glad he wasn't.

Easier to defend yet they were third in the entire league?

Yeah that checks out.

HungryLion · May 19, 2019

PhillySpecial said:
I have to tell you, it sure seems like some posters are trying awfully hard to convince themselves that Prescott is better than Wentz.

In 2017 Wentz didn't play the 4th quarters of the Broncos and Bears games because the games were decided by then. He could've compiled more positive stats. (you're using career stats)

The next time Dallas wins a road game in which Prescott gets blitzed 24 times and gets defensive looks the opposing team has yet to put on tape will be the 1st time Dallas wins a game like that with Prescott. If Prescott got blitzed 24 times in one game he'd be shell-shocked for the rest of the season.

I've never seen a QB run out of bounds behind the LOS for a sack as often as Prescott does. What happens to his completion % if he throws those balls away for an incomplete pass? You know, because his attempts would increase and his completions would decrease.

Comments like these are so rich coming from an eagles fan, posting on a cowboys message board.

Yes, we are the insecure ones.

PhillySpecial · May 19, 2019

DakPresgoat said:
Comments like these are so rich coming from an eagles fan, posting on a cowboys message board.

Yes, we are the insecure ones.

Good rebuttal. Do I have to put sarcasm in parenthesis?

Kaiser · May 19, 2019

Hadenough said:
I think Wentz has the better chance of winning another SB when all is said and done. Especially once each guy gets paid.
I think Zeke is a fantastic player but Dallas should of traded up 2 spots to secure Wentz or Goff.

Like @cowboy_ron said, Wentz hasn't won his first one. And Philly sold out their drafts and cap to load up that year, Dallas is a younger team with more talent and cap room.

And the 2016 Dallas draft was one of the top 10 draft classes in history, top 20 at worst. LA traded 6 premium picks for Goff and Philly traded 4 for Wentz. Zeke was the best player in that draft and Dallas got him at 4, if you are unhappy with that you are one of the very few.

xwalker · May 19, 2019

PhillySpecial said:
I have to tell you, it sure seems like some posters are trying awfully hard to convince themselves that Prescott is better than Wentz.

In 2017 Wentz didn't play the 4th quarters of the Broncos and Bears games because the games were decided by then. He could've compiled more positive stats. (you're using career stats)

The next time Dallas wins a road game in which Prescott gets blitzed 24 times and gets defensive looks the opposing team has yet to put on tape will be the 1st time Dallas wins a game like that with Prescott. If Prescott got blitzed 24 times in one game he'd be shell-shocked for the rest of the season.

I've never seen a QB run out of bounds behind the LOS for a sack as often as Prescott does. What happens to his completion % if he throws those balls away for an incomplete pass? You know, because his attempts would increase and his completions would decrease.

Dak had 3 sacks in 2018 from going out of bounds.

Number of Times Sacked In 2018:
Dak 56
Wentz 31

xwalker · May 19, 2019

mattjames2010 said:
Yet you used ESPN's QBR because it favors Prescott. The eye test alone shows through the Colts game, Mahomes put them away early so he didn't have to do much and he was on another level Prescott won't even reach in his dreams in the second half of the Patriots game.

Tom Brady was also clutch not once, not twice, but three times in the Chiefs game - one time being so clutch he kept Mahomes from getting the ball again and put the game away to get to the Super Bowl where he was, yet again, also clutch getting his sixth ring.

Hadenough said:
So true! Those type of stats aren't recorded. Brady being able to play keep away when it really mattered most.

Brady had a higher QBR than Mahomes in that game:

Brady 82.6
Mahomes 74.8

Mahomes had a higher QBR than Luck in the KC-Colts game:

Mahomes 63.1
Luck 22.0

CalPolyTechnique · May 19, 2019

xwalker said:
Brady had a higher QBR than Mahomes in that game:

Brady 82.6

Mahomes 74.8

Mahomes had a higher QBR than Luck in the KC-Colts game:

Mahomes 63.1

Luck 22.0

Still refusing to answer the question about regular season QBR?

fishspill · May 19, 2019

I’m expecting this year to be the true litmus test for both. These two teams should be slugging it out for the East. Both have questions around them and both are about to get $30 million per year. Whoever loses can’t feel great about those contracts.

GMO415 · May 19, 2019

#2 overall my behind!

Alexander · May 19, 2019

The Eagles are negotiating with Wentz now. I don't do a deal with Prescott until that is done.

Birdgang · May 19, 2019

Kaiser said:
Like @cowboy_ron said, Wentz hasn't won his first one. And Philly sold out their drafts and cap to load up that year, Dallas is a younger team with more talent and cap room.

And the 2016 Dallas draft was one of the top 10 draft classes in history, top 20 at worst. LA traded 6 premium picks for Goff and Philly traded 4 for Wentz. Zeke was the best player in that draft and Dallas got him at 4, if you are unhappy with that you are one of the very few.

Yet ignore what really happened LOL. In the end, Eagles did what they set out to do .... win a Superbowl. All while having a QB on a cheap rookie deal. I think you should also look at the total cost of the trade before/ after as a trade is not always 1 dimensional. Its no surprise yet again its you spewing no factual BS. You can wish all you want the Eagles screwed the pooch. The Eagles have a real GM whose job is based on the performance of a team. The Cowboys have on running the family business where $$ is the goal. In the end, Wentz cost the Eagles a 3rd round pick which both almost also got washed out. They also made huge cap space 20 million getting out of bad contracts from Chip Kelly, which led to bringing Foles back. BOOM Sb win.
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelp...de-carson-wentz-doesnt-look-so-costly-anymore

xwalker · May 19, 2019

CalPolyTechnique said:
Still refusing to answer the question about regular season QBR?

I posted regular season QBR in the original post and again in response to your question (i.e. When I posted both Raw and Total QBR).

From my original post:

These are career stats for Dak and Wentz.
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The following are regular season only unless otherwise noted:
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QBR
Wentz 63.8
Dak 69.0

My response to your question about QBR (post #86 in this thread):

xwalker, Today at 11:40 AM

You can get QBR from ESPN (they created the stat) or from multiple other sources.

There is a Raw QBR and a Total QBR (Opponent Adjusted).

I used Raw QBR but there's not a big difference.

Career Raw QBR / Total QBR

Dak 69.0 / 68.4
Wentz 63.8 / 63.2

Super_Kazuya · May 19, 2019

xwalker said:
I posted regular season QBR in the original post and again in response to your question (i.e. When I posted both Raw and Total QBR).

From my original post:

These are career stats for Dak and Wentz.
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The following are regular season only unless otherwise noted:
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QBR
Wentz 63.8
Dak 69.0

My response to your question about QBR (post #86 in this thread):

xwalker, Today at 11:40 AM

You can get QBR from ESPN (they created the stat) or from multiple other sources.

There is a Raw QBR and a Total QBR (Opponent Adjusted).

I used Raw QBR but there's not a big difference.

Career Raw QBR / Total QBR

Dak 69.0 / 68.4

Wentz 63.8 / 63.2

There's no such thing as "career" QBR, literally for the reasons you just posted above. Maybe that's the number you got when you added up yours and Dak's IQ and then multiplied by 50.

Little Jr · May 19, 2019

PhillySpecial said:
I have to tell you, it sure seems like some posters are trying awfully hard to convince themselves that Prescott is better than Wentz.

In 2017 Wentz didn't play the 4th quarters of the Broncos and Bears games because the games were decided by then. He could've compiled more positive stats. (you're using career

Dak didn't play for 3 qts in 2016 week 17 vs the eagles because the season was decided by then.

xwalker · May 19, 2019

Super_Kazuya said:
There's no such thing as "career" QBR, literally for the reasons you just posted above. Maybe that's the number you got when you added up yours and Dak's IQ and then multiplied by 50.

Russell Wilson has a 100.7 career Passer Rating.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

How do you think they calculated that number?

It's the average of his yearly Regular Season Passer Rating.

How do you think his career QBR would be calculated?

It's the average of his yearly Regular Season QBR.

Super_Kazuya · May 19, 2019

xwalker said:
Russell Wilson has a 100.7 career Passer Rating.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

How do you think they calculated that number?

It's the average of his yearly Regular Season Passer Rating.

How do you think his career QBR would be calculated?

It's the average of his yearly Regular Season QBR.

But you can't do that, it doesn't work that way. It's very much a per game and season weighted stat. What do you see on Dak's page where his career QBR should be? Nothing, even ESPN who created the stat doesn't have an answer for it. It doesn't make sense mathematically.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/2577417/dak-prescott
Maybe the closest thing you could do is average his QBR rank for each year.

Birdgang · May 19, 2019

Little Jr said:
Dak didn't play for 3 qts in 2016 week 17 vs the eagles because the season was decided by then.

Its really hard to compare Dak and Wentz in 2016, its like apples and oranges because of each team/ Qbs situations. Personally, I don't get the fighting and arguing, both teams have made out quite well with their choices. Both teams are more than capable to win Superbowls with current Qbs.

Little Jr · May 19, 2019

Birdgang said:
Its really hard to compare Dak and Wentz in 2016, its like apples and oranges because of each team/ Qbs situations. Personally, I don't get the fighting and arguing, both teams have made out quite well with their choices. Both teams are more than capable to win Superbowls with current Qbs.

I wasn't comparing their 2016 seasons. One of your fellow fans pointed out 2 qts in Wentz career that he didnt play because the game was over. He said that was 2 qts he could've padded his stats. I pointed out the same thing for Dak.

CalPolyTechnique · May 19, 2019

xwalker said:
Russell Wilson has a 100.7 career Passer Rating.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

How do you think they calculated that number?

It's the average of his yearly Regular Season Passer Rating.

How do you think his career QBR would be calculated?

It's the average of his yearly Regular Season QBR.

Which way has Dak’s regular season QBR been trending since 2016?

PAPPYDOG · May 19, 2019

CalPolyTechnique said:
Which way has Dak’s regular season QBR been trending since 2016?

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There are no Dak haters just Cowboy lovers!!!