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Eanwen · May 20, 2019

I'm not reading this whole thread but does anyone see the ball hit the ground at any point. I've watched it several times and imo it's not clear that it did.

Fire407 · May 20, 2019

Tusan_Homichi said:
And honestly, even if the catch were upheld, we've left too much time. It's almost better if he just goes down and we make them burn timeouts while we pound it into the endzone.

I agree. There were over 4 minutes left in the game and I have no doubt that Rodgers would have gotten the Packers in field goal range to win, or maybe even a TD. Our best hope was to have Dez ruled down at the one and burn at least some time before we scored.

DandyDon52 · May 20, 2019

Hardline said:
Montana to Clark is still my most painful Cowboys memory

The saddest thing about the Dez"no catch" is he could've secured that ball for a certain catch instead of shifting the ball to the other hand to stretch for the end zone

That is what I thought at the time, dez was thinking personal glory of a td for him.
And he isnt that bright, on 4th down the smart play is just to make the catch like you say, dont worry about anything else.
Also they only needed 1 yard, they could have ran , or beasely was open too, so Romo made a bad decision to throw it up on a risky pass.

Also what they needed was just a couple of yds and slowly drive it in for td, then rodgers has no time to score .

I also blame poor coaching , as they were not properly prepared for that scenario, score too quick and rodgers still beats you.

Garrett called a timeout, when witten was short of first down, but ref called it a first. I saw it was short, and was thinking
snap it quick and hand off to murray, but dumb dumb JG calls a TO lol then they looked at it and made it 4th and 1.

On the Murray fumble, people ignore several things,
1. Martin was the OL that peppers made a fool of to get to murray , had he been blocked better he would never get to murray.
2.Murray had a broken hand, so should he have even been playing? what if they had went to Randal??
3.it wasnt a fumble, it was a strip from behind, Murray wasn't expecting anything from behind.
4.as with all 6 or 7 of Murrays fumbles that year, some were strips not fumbles, none were recovered by another cowboy player
Which kinda suggest they didnt practice recovering their own fumbles and were not very good at it. I remember one where 2 cowboys had clear shot
at the ball but a Commander db comes in and gets it.
5. Defense wasnt great, but they were not bad either, GB and rodgers were just good, and they moved the ball on other teams too, thats
why they were in the playoffs too lol. Also marinelli and his zone defense just doesnt work good against rodgers, same thing in 2016.

So bad coaching set them up to fail and they did. but GB was pretty good that year, and should have went to sb, but they had coaching
flaws next game with seattle.

Jake · May 20, 2019

Eanwen said:
I'm not reading this whole thread but does anyone see the ball hit the ground at any point. I've watched it several times and imo it's not clear that it did.

On the Dez play? Of course it did - that's when it popped up out of his hands. He had already possessed it before lunging, though.

Just a stupid rule.

Silly · May 20, 2019

Jake said:
On the Dez play? Of course it did - that's when it popped up out of his hands. He had already possessed it before lunging, though.

Just a stupid rule.

Yeah. It was a catch and the fumble. But the Refs burned the saints last season too. I don't know who the genius was that decided to turn the NFL into an episode of Judge Judy was, but I hope they find him and kick his ***.

Hennessy_King · May 20, 2019

I would rather slit my wrist than rewatch that game

Cannibal_Cowboy · May 20, 2019

DandyDon52 said:
That is what I thought at the time, dez was thinking personal glory of a td for him.
And he isnt that bright, on 4th down the smart play is just to make the catch like you say, dont worry about anything else.
Also they only needed 1 yard, they could have ran , or beasely was open too, so Romo made a bad decision to throw it up on a risky pass.

Also what they needed was just a couple of yds and slowly drive it in for td, then rodgers has no time to score .

I also blame poor coaching , as they were not properly prepared for that scenario, score too quick and rodgers still beats you.

Garrett called a timeout, when witten was short of first down, but ref called it a first. I saw it was short, and was thinking
snap it quick and hand off to murray, but dumb dumb JG calls a TO lol then they looked at it and made it 4th and 1.

On the Murray fumble, people ignore several things,
1. Martin was the OL that peppers made a fool of to get to murray , had he been blocked better he would never get to murray.
2.Murray had a broken hand, so should he have even been playing? what if they had went to Randal??
3.it wasnt a fumble, it was a strip from behind, Murray wasn't expecting anything from behind.
4.as with all 6 or 7 of Murrays fumbles that year, some were strips not fumbles, none were recovered by another cowboy player
Which kinda suggest they didnt practice recovering their own fumbles and were not very good at it. I remember one where 2 cowboys had clear shot
at the ball but a Commander db comes in and gets it.
5. Defense wasnt great, but they were not bad either, GB and rodgers were just good, and they moved the ball on other teams too, thats
why they were in the playoffs too lol. Also marinelli and his zone defense just doesnt work good against rodgers, same thing in 2016.

So bad coaching set them up to fail and they did. but GB was pretty good that year, and should have went to sb, but they had coaching
flaws next game with seattle.

I have to disagree with everything written here. You have to try for a touchdown every chance you get. Field goals are not guaranteed, nor is hammering the ball in goal line each down and hoping you get it in. Remember, this is the 2010's we're in and not the 1950's ( although there were teams that would sling it even back then

).

Hennessy_King · May 20, 2019

DandyDon52 said:
Garrett called a timeout, when witten was short of first down, but ref called it a first. I saw it was short, and was thinking
snap it quick and hand off to murray, but dumb dumb JG calls a TO lol then they looked at it and made it 4th and 1.

I totally forgot about that. JG doing JG things

percyhoward · May 20, 2019

ScipioCowboy said:
The Dez catch, if it had been upheld, was destined to be a historic moment that saw frequent replay. If Dallas wins, Dez is another Dwight Clark. If Dallas loses, we get a last minute, game winning drive, and Aaron Rodgers is Joe Montana.

Instead, we get neither and years of controversy regarding what qualities as a catch, and the competitive legitimacy of the sport is challenged.

The league had to endure 3 years of "upright long enough to become a runner" from 2015-17, and it was all because they reversed the call on this play and then changed the rule to try to justify their overturn.

This one play affected dozens of other plays, games, and teams (so, hundreds of players and coaches...millions of fans) for the next three seasons, until the rule was changed back for 2018.

percyhoward · May 20, 2019

Jake said:
Just a stupid rule.

In 2014, the rule was as it is today -- that you could complete the catch process and become a runner without having to be upright. The call on the field was correctly based on this rule.

The overturn was incorrect, not the rule or the call on the field.

Point-of-the-Star · May 20, 2019

Beaker42 said:
I was 12 when GD Jackie Smith dropped a sure TD in the end zone against the Steelers in the SB. *^%#.

I was 12 when Bart Starr sneaked a 3rd down from 2 feet out and seconds left.

There are a few teams I totally despise (I despise the word "hate). GB, Pissburg, Philthy. I passionately despise them!

DFWJC · May 20, 2019

Crazed Liotta Eyes said:
He freaking caught it! Damn, that still pisses me off. I lost my voice that day.

Straw that broke camels back for me after that game.
I'm still a fan, but my passion for it is nowhere near what it once was.
Maybe that's healthy
:laugh:

Jake · May 20, 2019

DandyDon52 said:
That is what I thought at the time, dez was thinking personal glory of a td for him.
And he isnt that bright, on 4th down the smart play is just to make the catch like you say, dont worry about anything else.
Also they only needed 1 yard, they could have ran , or beasely was open too, so Romo made a bad decision to throw it up on a risky pass.

Also what they needed was just a couple of yds and slowly drive it in for td, then rodgers has no time to score .

I also blame poor coaching , as they were not properly prepared for that scenario, score too quick and rodgers still beats you.

Garrett called a timeout, when witten was short of first down, but ref called it a first. I saw it was short, and was thinking
snap it quick and hand off to murray, but dumb dumb JG calls a TO lol then they looked at it and made it 4th and 1.

On the Murray fumble, people ignore several things,
1. Martin was the OL that peppers made a fool of to get to murray , had he been blocked better he would never get to murray.
2.Murray had a broken hand, so should he have even been playing? what if they had went to Randal??
3.it wasnt a fumble, it was a strip from behind, Murray wasn't expecting anything from behind.
4.as with all 6 or 7 of Murrays fumbles that year, some were strips not fumbles, none were recovered by another cowboy player
Which kinda suggest they didnt practice recovering their own fumbles and were not very good at it. I remember one where 2 cowboys had clear shot
at the ball but a Commander db comes in and gets it.
5. Defense wasnt great, but they were not bad either, GB and rodgers were just good, and they moved the ball on other teams too, thats
why they were in the playoffs too lol. Also marinelli and his zone defense just doesnt work good against rodgers, same thing in 2016.

So bad coaching set them up to fail and they did. but GB was pretty good that year, and should have went to sb, but they had coaching
flaws next game with seattle.

The levels of idealism and hindsight displayed here are off the charts.

Pantone282C · May 20, 2019

Hardline said:
Montana to Clark is still my most painful Cowboys memory

The saddest thing about the Dez"no catch" is he could've secured that ball for a certain catch instead of shifting the ball to the other hand to stretch for the end zone

Painful game end. Thought we had Montana sacked.

eromeopolk · May 20, 2019

Alexander said:
Will let you all know if he catches it this time.

About 9 minutes left in the 1st Quarter.

Dez did not catch the ball.

Dez scored a TD (after catching the ball).

Saints fans know your pain.

MarcusRock · May 20, 2019

Idgit said:
The league still should have gotten it right. The fact is, we’ll never know. We saw the team stop Drew Brees in a very similar situation last season. Or Rodgers might have scored quickly and given the ball back to Romo with a little bit of time left and some timeouts.

It’s academic, what might have happened. The problem of having officials determining the outcome of a post-season game with a bad call they didn’t have to make and didn’t get right.

The weird Unsportsmanlike Conduct call on Butler that killed a home drive early in 2016 actually bugs me more than the Dez catch call. And the blown PI v the Saints last year is much worse than both. It’s a huge issue for the league. They’re advancing the wrong teams to the championship games on obvious mistakes.

Sorry, but the league did get it right with the rules at the time. The "Going to the Ground Rule" took precedence over regular catch rules which is why the relaxing of that GTG rule NOW makes the Dez play a legal catch (AND Calvin Johnson's. AND Jesse James').

Jake said:
On the Dez play? Of course it did - that's when it popped up out of his hands. He had already possessed it before lunging, though.

Just a stupid rule.

Yes, could absolutely be argued that the rule was dumb but the call was indeed correct by said dumb rule as explained above. His possessing the ball only mattered if he could hold on through contact with the ground. He could have bobbled it as much as he wanted as long as he kept the ball off the ground but he didn't and that killed the play.

Idgit · May 20, 2019

MarcusRock said:
Sorry, but the league did get it right with the rules at the time. The "Going to the Ground Rule" took precedence over regular catch rules which is why the relaxing of that GTG rule NOW makes the Dez play a legal catch (AND Calvin Johnson's. AND Jesse James').

Agree to disagree on it. Not worth the back and forth on it so many years after it happened, but that was a blown call by any reasonable interpretation of the review rules at the time as far as I'm concerned.

MarcusRock · May 20, 2019

Idgit said:
Agree to disagree on it. Not worth the back and forth on it so many years after it happened, but that was a blown call by any reasonable interpretation of the review rules at the time as far as I'm concerned.

Not as far as the unbiased are concerned. It was textbook, honestly. Mike Pereira made the call on the broadcast before it was announced by the official Steratore. He knew the rule. The common football fan didn't and the controversies caused them to get rid of the GTG part.

Whirlwin · May 20, 2019

I just got through watching the Patriots beat Seattle in the Super Bowl. Seattle coach blew that game. 2 ft to go and you pass the ball when you have Marshawn Lynch. Last year's playoffs Sean Payton blew that game. Blamed everybody under the sun. Garrett didn't blame anybody Windows didn't get the right call. That's why I like him. Take your beatings and move on

Whirlwin · May 20, 2019

Idgit said:
Agree to disagree on it. Not worth the back and forth on it so many years after it happened, but that was a blown call by any reasonable interpretation of the review rules at the time as far as I'm concerned.

I truly believe it was lack of respect for our team.

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