Fisher:The top five reasons to justify Dak as a $30M QB

StarBoyz83 · May 20, 2019

Hes a top 15 qb. Dallas has no choice but to pay him tbh. Is he worth 30 mil? No but they have no choice

risco · May 20, 2019

Hawkeye0202 said:
LOL....looking, I'll take that bet. The 5 reasons have everything to do with how good of QB he is for the Cowboys, NOT 31 other teams, but the Cowboys.

That can be said for most QBs. I think system and talent go together. One without the other can drastically affect the other.

CouchCoach · May 20, 2019

CATCH17 said:
Feasible alternative is to draft.

You may say that is ridiculous but what is just as ridiculous is paying mediocre talent elite money just because he is the only option at the time.

His 20ish TD's that he passes for will be easy to replace.

OK, what do you think it would take to move up for one of these unproven at the pro level blue chippers? Think a rookie QB coming in and performing is the norm? We got a ridiculous exception to the rule.

When it comes to the QB, Prescott is the proverbial "bird in the hand" player. And he is not the sole reason the team didn't advance in the playoffs, it was not about him in thise two playoff losses.

CouchCoach · May 20, 2019

StarBoyz83 said:
Hes a top 15 qb. Dallas has no choice but to pay him tbh. Is he worth 30 mil? No but they have no choice

Who in the hell is worth almost 2M a game? One and he takes half that 30M because he can and he wanted to stay with that team.

StarBoyz83 · May 20, 2019

CouchCoach said:
Who in the hell is worth almost 2M a game? One and he takes half that 30M because he can and he wanted to stay with that team.

Very good points. Lol it's sad. Hes a 20 mil qb at best but like I said they have no choice.

CouchCoach · May 20, 2019

risco said:
That can be said for most QBs. I think system and talent go together. One without the other can drastically affect the other.

Agree, take Aikman and Montana and put them in each other's system and they're not nearly as effective.

Elway probably doesn't get rings if they do not change the system and the reverse for Marino.

The one thing I would say about Prescott's system is that the designers didn't watch enough Miss St game film to max out his talent. He is one of the top 3 dual threat QB's in the NFL and underutilized and I do not expect that to change paying him 30M with these two backups.

CATCH17 · May 20, 2019

CouchCoach said:
OK, what do you think it would take to move up for one of these unproven at the pro level blue chippers? Think a rookie QB coming in and performing is the norm? We got a ridiculous exception to the rule.

When it comes to the QB, Prescott is the proverbial "bird in the hand" player. And he is not the sole reason the team didn't advance in the playoffs, it was not about him in thise two playoff losses.

I think the rookie can come in and perform at a much higher level then they normally would if you can provide pass protection and an elite run game.

If we're bad for a year with a rookie QB then so be it.

The goal is to win a Superbowl and if the team falls apart around Dak because of his contract then what is the point? This isn't a QB that will carry us. Romo as good as he was still needed a team around him.

Elite QB's on cheap contracts and QB's on rookie deals are the guys winning Superbowls.

The goal is to win a superbowl and the recipe is playing out in front of us every year. The teams with these monster QB contracts are suffering.

CATCH17 · May 20, 2019

StarBoyz83 said:
Very good points. Lol it's sad. Hes a 20 mil qb at best but like I said they have no choice.

They do have a choice.

The can easily replace his 20ish Touchdown passes if they choose to.

Our Oline and Zeke will allow a Ryan Fitzpatrick type to come in and produce at a similar level to Dak.

You could probably trade for Trevor Simien and he could do the job at a similar level to Dak. The money saved would make it worth whatever we lose in ability.

CouchCoach · May 20, 2019

StarBoyz83 said:
Very good points. Lol it's sad. Hes a 20 mil qb at best but like I said they have no choice.

About to get sadder because this is hitting 40M soon. The agents all know they have the leverage with the owners, the owners are patsies in this game.

I agree, he'd be a good 20M QB but it's not his fault that it's risen to the point it has and truth be told, he'd be ecstatic with 20M. But the name of the game for the agents and QB's is push the envelope because they're not getting much push back from the owners.

The other side of this coin is that it's too damned hard to build a team around the QB, especially the D and keep it together for long.

I do not overestimate Prescott's talent, been watching him for 5 seasons and he is what he is but I also do not pick his bad plays as representative of his talent. He is inconsistent, just like his predecessor was, and that is my only real problem with his game. There is that "where the hell is it going" feeling just like there was with Romo and he'd be getting 30M+ if he was up right now.

TexasHillbilly · May 20, 2019

Aerolithe_Lion said:
The only one that matters:

You have no alternative on a team built to win now.

That's good. The eagles are really in the same boat. A lot of teams are not even in the "no alternative" situation.

I mean seriously, isn't everyone in the "win now" mode. That is what has happened to the game. Windows don't last multiple years like they used to. In just a couple of years player turnover can be what, 60% or more?

ABQCOWBOY · May 20, 2019

Seems to me as if the discussion should not revolve around best chance to win now. I mean, what if your best chance to win is only middle of the pack? Do you then sacrifice your future cap stability by locking yourself into a bad contract because your best chance to win is only an average chance or possibly worse? That whole line of thought only works if you believe that the chance to win is valid. To me, it's just not a good way to approach such an important financial decision. The question should really be, is the player really good enough to be the guy who leads your team to a championship, not a premise set around, "Well, he's the best we've got so lets go ahead and pay him 30 million dollars a year to play QB." To me thats just the wrong way to approach this kind of thing.

JMO

OmerV · May 20, 2019

Sydla said:
You might lose that bet.

- #1 was the silly "well in a few years his contract will be a bargain" reason.

- #3 talks about cap structure

- #4 talks about the overall Cowboys roster being a contender now

- #5 talks about what happens if you don't sign him now

#2 was the closest one to talking about what kind of QB he is.............. but in the context of this team has been built a certain way for him.

All of those things except #3 are directly tied to his a good QB, and building the team around him doesn't matter if he isn't a good QB. None of those points would apply with a QB that isn't a good QB.

Sandyf · May 20, 2019

You could ask anyone to name 10 QBs currently starting who are better than Dak and the betting would be you could find the fan bases of those teams tell you how they aren't that great just like the debate here on Dak. Heck even the Green Bay bloggers have half of them wanting to get rid of Rodgers. No fan bases is going to be 100 percent behind their QB especially week to week during the season. The reality is Dak is going to be the Dallas QB for at least the next 5 years. Is he as bad as some of the posters on this board believe? Absolutely NOT. Is he as good as some of the posters believe on this board? Absolutely NOT.

What is he? He is the Dallas Cowboys current and more than likely future Dallas Cowboys QB. As a fan, I really don't care who's opinion is close on him, I just want he and the Cowboys to win and make the playoffs and make the Super Bowl and win the Super Bowl, NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.

CouchCoach · May 20, 2019

CATCH17 said:
They do have a choice.

The can easily replace his 20ish Touchdown passes if they choose to.

Our Oline and Zeke will allow a Ryan Fitzpatrick type to come in and produce at a similar level to Dak.

You could probably trade for Trevor Simien and he could do the job at a similar level to Dak. The money saved would make it worth whatever we lose in ability.

The one thing you are overlooking with Prescott vs Fitzpatrick or Simien or Keenum or any other journeyman QB's is that he wins. He has a 66% winning % in the last 3 seasons and has proven he can lead his team as well as bring the team back.

I do think you are really undervaluing him as a NFL QB and think he is too easily replaced. Is he Tier 1? No, but he could move up from lower Tier 2 to high Tier 2 and with the way this team is being built, that could be good enough to get you your SB.

CATCH17 · May 20, 2019

CouchCoach said:
The one thing you are overlooking with Prescott vs Fitzpatrick or Simien or Keenum or any other journeyman QB's is that he wins. He has a 66% winning % in the last 3 seasons and has proven he can lead his team as well as bring the team back.

I do think you are really undervaluing him as a NFL QB and think he is too easily replaced. Is he Tier 1? No, but he could move up from lower Tier 2 to high Tier 2 and with the way this team is being built, that could be good enough to get you your SB.

No... I know what his value is. That is why I have a problem with him getting a big contract.

Just like Kirk Cousins. It's clear what he is worth. IF some team wants to pay Dak more then he is actually worth then let them be stupid like Minnesota was.

CouchCoach · May 20, 2019

Is Dak Prescott a good QB? That's the simple question. The money doesn't matter because they're all eventually overpaying for that position because they designed it that way.

Think back on the last great team we had and that QB. Was it him or was it what was around him? Was he the same without Emmitt in the game or after Irvin had to retire and how about Novacek? And while I am there, how about Stepnowksi? Forget the different he made leaving and returning?

Ya know I made a statement about QB's that lift their teams and need to be lifted and I think I was full of ****. Do Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Rivers, Rodgers or Rothliesberger really lift their teams? If they do, why do they struggle when missing some key pieces?

They all do what Aikman did and what I do think Prescott can do with the right team around him, get the ball to the playmakers. That's what Bradshaw and Montana did. And those two and Aikman also shared something else besides multiple rings, great defenses.

Nav22 · May 20, 2019

CATCH17 said:
Could you point me to the reason that had something to do with his high skill as a player?

I just see a bunch of other reasons that have nothing to do with his ability. Maybe I missed it.

Reason #1: In five years his contract will look like a bargain.

You don’t see how it’s a major compliment to a QB’s ability to say that in 5 years, $30 mil/year for him will look like a bargain?

If he wasn’t a good QB, would that be the case?

CouchCoach · May 20, 2019

CATCH17 said:
No... I know what his value is. That is why I have a problem with him getting a big contract.

Just like Kirk Cousins. It's clear what he is worth. IF some team wants to pay Dak more then he is actually worth then let them be stupid like Minnesota was.

MIN did that because that's what they had to do, they didn't want to give him that contract but show me the team with any leverage with their QB. The Cowboys are no different, they have to pay to play and his jersey is #2 in sales and don't think that doesn't play into it.

CATCH17 · May 20, 2019

Nav22 said:
Reason #1: In five years his contract will look like a bargain.

You don’t see how it’s a major compliment to a QB’s ability to say that in 5 years, $30 mil/year for him will look like a bargain?

If he wasn’t a good QB, would that be the case?

That's a reach but if you want to interpret it that way then go ahead.

I look at it as the market will be much higher in 5 years so Dak's 30 mill wont be as bad as it will be when he signs it.

Nobody said he isn't good. Of course Dak is good.

Nav22 · May 20, 2019

CATCH17 said:
That's a reach but if you want to interpret it that way then go ahead.

I look at it as the market will be much higher in 5 years so Dak's 30 mill wont be as bad as it will be when he signs it.

Nobody said he isn't good. Of course Dak is good.

“Won’t be as bad as it will be when he signs it”

LOL he specifically used the word “bargain.”

You’re the one twisting his words around, not me.

Fisher:The top five reasons to justify Dak as a $30M QB

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