*** SPOILERS *** Game of Thrones Season 8

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Bran himself said he was no longer Bran Stark. He was the 3 eyed raven. So it really doesn't make sense for him to be king.
I mentioned that earlier, but he only said that one time, then started responding as if he was Bran again. ....weird.
 

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Everybody still alive escaped being murdered at some point, the only reason he survived North of the Wall was because people were carrying him around and they all died defending him, he didn't so much escape the Night king as sat there while Theon fought and then just stared at him until Arya could kill him, Jamie didn't look like he felt better about himself when he left Winterfell and it took Theon dying to get his approval.

Tyrion's story that we didn't get to hear the end of while sitting at the Small Council, about walking into a brothel with a donkey and a honeycomb, had the makings of a better story than Bran's.

Make the donkey king.
 

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I mentioned that earlier, but he only said that one time, then started responding as if he was Bran again. ....weird.

And what was that whole "why do you think I came all the way here" about? He's supposed to be some omniscient entity so detached from himself/the present because he's constantly traveling through every event that ever occurred simultaneously. Then all of a sudden he's Bran Stark who wants to be King.
 

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And what was that whole "why do you think I came all the way here" about? He's supposed to be some omniscient entity so detached from himself/the present because he's constantly traveling through every event that ever occurred simultaneously. Then all of a sudden he's Bran Stark who wants to be King.
Not that he necessarily wants to be king, but realizes he's the best option right now.
 

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well, it's over now. all the people who hated the final season for xyz reason can now begin saying why it sucked and how much better they could have done and what should have happened. i must admit there are some changes i'd make, but there always seems to be that. there comes a time you just put it down and listen to the story from someone else and be entertained, less so much the critic.

i tried to get into GoT early on and failed. it just didn't hit me to be much worth watching and to be honest, it was confusing. so many people always changing sides and dying just as you get to like them. then just before season 7 was to come about, it was the conversation at work and people couldn't believe i wasn't watching it. i mean, i wore a battle helm, pauldrons and leather gloves to a halloween party and was called "the hound" by most. so i took it upon myself to change this error in my ways and with about a month before season 7 started, i slammed 6 seasons of GoT.

of course in slamming you miss quite a bit. i've never been very good with names anyway and the slamming didn't help so i was constantly making up nick names for the characters just to try and talk at work and make sure i was understanding as best i could.

during the slamming i do believe hardhome became one of my favorite episodes still. that one was just intense and had me gripping the remote (at least i hope that's what that was) through the entire episode. but eventually i caught up and was able to have regular conversations with people in the final 2 seasons.

the final season has had its ups and downs to be sure. some guessed correctly, some were wrong, 500k+ people want a mulligan. 500k+ people are crazy. most are likely the run is over and while im sure it was the time of their lives in many ways, time to do something else now.

for the finale, i was happy with the way it ended. tyrian showed the most depth and acting ability and is my favorite character from the series. most were in it for themselves of some sort but he was truly out there for people. my "meh" moment was digging rocks off his brother and sister. with what was coming down i'm not sure how enough was left standing to walk through and they were more or less at the top of the pile. tons of rock fall on me i'm usually at the bottom of it. but let it go because the moment was so well done and emotional you roll with it.

in the end, i think they did a good job of putting everyone in their chosen place. people went where their characters dictated they would go if on their own and most except for greyworm got what they wanted out of life. the adventures of john and aryia are the most interesting at this point and while i hear they're doing a "prequel" - i'd almost rather see what those 2 do and not so much how it all came to be.

but well over a decade in the making, the final show of something so epic will leave so many wanting for a variety of reasons. the greater the series, the greater the voices when done. this is a hard one to let go of to be sure. through 70+ episodes and countless guesses at what is in store, i was very entertained. and that is the main reason to watch much of anything.

well done Game of Thrones, well done.
I think for it to have been done the best it possibly could, it should have lasted two more. However I can respect the fact that it was going to be too expensive. I was satisfied with the final two seasons
 

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I think it is the end of a Monarchy in Westeros..... I think they go a government or Parliament with equal voting rights to the 7 Kingdoms

How can anyone from the North ever go back to a King after beating the Army of the Dead and watching what Daeneryus just did

That of course is contingent on Arya/Jon killing Dany and the Dragon

I think @Nightman and I are the only ones thinking that no one will sit on the throne. After all that has happened, all the struggles for power, all the issues with the single monarch, there will be no single king/queen. Jon may be the heir, but he doesn't want it and don't know if they could decide on a single person to sit upon the throne so it will be ruled as group, a council. I have been advocating calling it the "Iron Council" for quite awhile, melt down the Iron Throne and build a large table from it where all the delegates from each kingdom can sit and make decisions as equals. I could see a scenario that Jon would agree to act as a Chairman to oversee and help arbitrate disagreements, but think that Tyrion would be suited to this role. Each kingdom has it's own king/queen and rule their own kingdom with the "Iron Council" working as group to work out trade agreements, settle disputes, organize the kingdoms in a time of crisis, etc.
We were pretty close

I knew it had to be the end of a traditional Monarchy and more of a Democracy

It was great seeing all the old faces that survived like Robyn and Edmure turn up

Gendry and Bronn being Lords and politicians is hilarious but after a decade of war and death like they had in Westeros any kind of peace was needed
 

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I mentioned that earlier, but he only said that one time, then started responding as if he was Bran again. ....weird.
He also told Tyrion he wasn't the Lord of Winterfell. Tyrion asked him, you don't want it? He told him. I don't really 'want' anymore.

And the previous 3 eyed raven was a crazy old man who lived like a tree. It just makes no sense for the 3 eyed raven to be king. The writers jumped the shark.
 

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I'm OK with the way it ended because the surprise was that they didn't off as many as we anticipated based on 8 seasons of surprise deaths. I was expecting more and wondering how they would get it and by who's hand and Jon killing Dany for the greater good made sense because he's the only one that could have out of love except Grey Worm. And I think that's how Grey Worm made peace with the fact Jon would live. He had no motive for killing Dany because everyone killed for power in the GoT. Plus the fact he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer and always has the look of a kid that tasted their own earwax for the first time.

I think it is really funny how so many have been caught up in this and turned on the show in the last season. The cinematographer, director and writers have been under attack from the fans when nothing of this magnitude and scope has ever been produced for TV. As far as things unexplained or resolved, isn't that real life? They left enough mystery for discussion. I can't be overly critical for something that took me on an 8 season ride anymore than I could be of Lord of the Rings. Look for the warts and you can always find them.

And after watching episode 5 again prior to the finale, I caught something I missed the first time and wondered why they showed that white horse fall, what was the significance of that? Until I saw that same horse arrive for Arya to ride out on.

And I should have seen the part about Bran becoming King. Who was the Night King's target all along? His connection to another realm gives him keen insight like assigning Tyrion as his Hand as a form of restitution for his wrongs. Who else would be satisfied with the 6 Kingdoms?

And after all of the slaughter of animals and people, how could I not feel everything's OK, Jon was loving on Ghost and I think he was such a sensitive man that hugging him when he was leaving would have been too much for him so I forgive him for that. Ghost was the first being to ever show him love.
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I loved the whole ride..... thank you George Martin, Dan and Dave and the Cast and Crew

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Think back to the first season.

1. Bran was always climbing to the top of things. To the point they had Cat telling him to quit climbing because it was not safe. Later he climbed to the tower and Jamie pushed him off. However at the very end Bran climbed to the top of the world by becoming the king. Something you knew, as the three eyed raven, he knew was going to happen.

2. In the first season. Jon Snow wanted to go to the wall. He was not forced to go and some even tried to talk him out of it but he WANTED to go there. Later he and Ygritte said something along the lines of just staying in the north (specifically the hot water springs). The king beyond the wall liked Jon and you could tell Jon like him. Later he and danny had the avatar dragon flight together and one of them said something along the lines of staying there for a thousand years. So when Jon went back and Tormund was there waiting...you just had to know they were going to go north to be free of it all and live the life he would want to live and become king beyond the wall.

3. Sansa from day one made it clear she wanted to be a princess and eventually a Queen. She finally got her wish. She is now Queen of the north.

4. Arya was never going to be a lady of noble house. She wanted to live a life of adventure. Actually of all the stories going forward hers might be the most interesting.
1 Chaos is a Ladder

2 He wants to live amongst the Free Folk and have little red headed babies with Ygritte II

3 After everything she went thru she would never bend the knee

4 Arya discovers Amerayra
 

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What is the point of the Wall and the Night's Watch if the night king and the White Walkers are dead. The wall and the Night's Watch entire reason for being there was the protection from the Night King and White Walkers.

What are they supposed to be doing now?

...another failure of the season eight storyline.
 

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They ruined the show in season 8.

Seasons 1-7 was an epic journey.

I really don't know what I was watching in Season 8.

I was ok with it up until the point the night king died then I gave them the benefit of the doubt that they would come back in the next episode and Bran would explain things.

Instead we got one of the worst episodes in the series, then another, and another.
They spent years building up for the big Night King battle only to end it in one episode abruptly.

Even then, they should have ended the series there and simply put up text screens after it saying, ".. and then this happened, this happened, that happened and that happened .. THE END" and it would be have been just as (not) entertaining without all of the wasted walking, staring and burning filler scenes.

They could have even said, "The story will continue in GGRM books in the future!" and that would have been fine.
 

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Unlike many people, I did not care who actually won the throne. My only interest was in the great story that was being told in the early seasons.

Unfortunately, that changed in the last two seasons as they rushed the story along. The last season alone felt like it was several seasons compacted into 6 episodes.

The story could have played out the same and been fine, but the details of the journey is what made GoT special, not the "who got it?" ending.

The last season played out more like a highlight reel than an actual story.
 

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Unlike many people, I did not care who actually won the throne. My only interest was in the great story that was being told in the early seasons.

Unfortunately, that changed in the last two seasons as they rushed the story along. The last season alone felt like it was several seasons compacted into 6 episodes.

The story could have played out the same and been fine, but the details of the journey is what made GoT special, not the "who got it?" ending.

The last season played out more like a highlight reel than an actual story.
yea, i think there are things that could have been better and it does seem strange to end EPIC on a "better than average" tone while leaving starbucks cups and water bottles on the set.

but then i got reminded of dexter and this cracked me up -

some of you GoT nerds clearly never watched dexter drive a boat into a hurricane with his dead sister on board after carrying her lifeless body out of the hospital while leaving his young son in the care of a known serial killer so he could become a lumberjack...

...and it shows.
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and am happy they didn't go to that extreme just to have the "explosions" close out the show.

everyone found their calling in life via those years and experiences then went back to doing them.
 

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Unlike many people, I did not care who actually won the throne. My only interest was in the great story that was being told in the early seasons.

Unfortunately, that changed in the last two seasons as they rushed the story along. The last season alone felt like it was several seasons compacted into 6 episodes.

The story could have played out the same and been fine, but the details of the journey is what made GoT special, not the "who got it?" ending.

The last season played out more like a highlight reel than an actual story.
And a lot of the problem is along that great story they had details/prophesies and reveals that ended up not having any importance to the story. I got to believe those things will mean something in the actual book. With Jon not looking pathetic in the actual battles and whose importance was only to kill the new queen.
 

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And a lot of the problem is along that great story they had details/prophesies and reveals that ended up not having any importance to the story. I got to believe those things will mean something in the actual book.
Sometimes people lie. Let that be a lesson to ya! :grin:
 

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Unlike many people, I did not care who actually won the throne. My only interest was in the great story that was being told in the early seasons.

Unfortunately, that changed in the last two seasons as they rushed the story along. The last season alone felt like it was several seasons compacted into 6 episodes.

The story could have played out the same and been fine, but the details of the journey is what made GoT special, not the "who got it?" ending.

The last season played out more like a highlight reel than an actual story.


Yep..

Game of thrones was all about the journey and how we got to where we got last night is a tragedy for this show and it just ends up making no sense.

The Daenerys twist could've been as big if not bigger then Ned but how they got there on the show was not even believable at all for her character and they are expecting fans to take a huge leap to believe that.

Since the show and books aren't tied together they should've just let Dany live without that tragedy and figured out another way for her character to not sit on the iron throne if that was their mission. Just let her realize Westeros wasn't for her and go back to Maureen. That's an easy and more believable get out.

This is far and away the most popular show in the world and I don't get how HBO agreed to this.

All of these people worked on the best show on TV and somehow they just got to decide that they were done and they were just going to put a quick bow on it and shove it out to the millions of fans.

It's just said. The story, characters, and fans deserved much better then this.

If D&D wanted out they should've let them go and hired George to finish it.
 

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I also hate all of the leaks that were coming out.

I heard that Bran Stark had Vegas odds as the favorite to sit on the Throne and once I heard that I knew it would be him because it made no sense at the time.

I guess people were leaking around episode 2 or 3 that Dany would go mad and I heard about that but thought there is no way it could be true and they were just faking out the audience like they did in season 7 with Arya and Sansa being at odds.
 

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Season 8 felt like another show completely. Grrm is gonna have a field day writing his book now. Even if he finishes in the same exact place...his journey will be 100× better. These guys have zero clue without the book.

And they're gonna go and further ruin star wars..
 
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