Fisher:The top five reasons to justify Dak as a $30M QB

OmerV

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If you want to spin it that way. But it's interesting that in listing 5 reasons why to sign Dak, one of them wasn't simply about how good a QB he was.

I don't see it as spin at all. How in the world do you think a person could claim the contract will be a bargain if he thinks the player isn't very good? Do you really think he would say $30 million will be a bargain in a year or two if the QB being discussed was Tyrod Taylor, CJ Beathard or Cody Kessler? Do you think he would say the roster is built to contend now if the he didn't feel the QB could win? Do you think he would say it would be hard to replace Dak if he thought Dak wasn't very good? All of that commentary is based on the idea that Dak is a quality QB.
 

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You sound like you have your own numbers in mind that the QB market should be following.

It also sounds like you’re basing those numbers on either 1) previous market values, or 2) absolutely nothing.

I don't know what you mean by that but I don't believe that any player should be making such a high percentage of the over all cap in a hard cap league. If that is what you mean, then yes, I guess that would be true. I definitely don't believe that a player who has won nothing should be getting paid at the top of the scale but that's really a different discussion. Why are you trying to turn this into a discussion over Dak?

What makes you an authority on what is or is not anything? When you say "previous market values", what exactly do you mean by that?
 

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I wasn't here for QC and Hutch, I just find it hard to believe anyone was defending either QB. I can see the Dez haters latching on the TO hate train, but I doubt it was non stop like Dak.

Trust me when I tell you, this discussion around Dak is nothing compared to the board wars around Quincy Carter.
 

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I wasn't here for QC and Hutch, I just find it hard to believe anyone was defending either QB. I can see the Dez haters latching on the TO hate train, but I doubt it was non stop like Dak.

It has always been like that for Cowboys QB's on this forum.

This thing with Dak is nothing new.

Romo started more wars then anyone. There was a group of people that thought he was just terrible and bought into the idea that he was the reason we lost most of our games.

Even in hindsight Romo gets more blame for our failures then he deserves and he was the only real reason we were even competitive.
 

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Ill keep in saying it. If Dak's open market value is 30m per year, then we should easily get 2 first round picks for him.

With up to 3 first round picks at our disposal we can draft any QB we want.
 

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Ill keep in saying it. If Dak's open market value is 30m per year, then we should easily get 2 first round picks for him.

With up to 3 first round picks at our disposal we can draft any QB we want.
The odds of drafting a QB even half as good as Dak aren’t great.

What’s Paxton Lynch doing nowadays? Shining his Lombardi Trophies?
 

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You might lose that bet.

- #1 was the silly "well in a few years his contract will be a bargain" reason.

- #3 talks about cap structure

- #4 talks about the overall Cowboys roster being a contender now

- #5 talks about what happens if you don't sign him now

#2 was the closest one to talking about what kind of QB he is.............. but in the context of this team has been built a certain way for him.

...Could have had Lynch or Conner instead of Dak I suppose...and REALLY sucking about now!
 

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The odds of drafting a QB even half as good as Dak aren’t great.

What’s Paxton Lynch doing nowadays? Shining his Lombardi Trophies?

Actually, the Odds of drafting a good QB in next years draft, early, are better then usual IMO. Next years QB Class is loaded.

Tua, Herbert, Fromm and Eason are all really highly rated prospects and there are like 5 more that could be drafted in the 1st or 2nd round. However, your point is valid, there are a lot of guys that don't make it but if we are being honest here, Dak hasn't proven that he's made it yet either, IMO. We all kinda talk as if he has but he really hasn't yet.
 

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Actually, the Odds of drafting a good QB in next years draft, early, are better then usual IMO. Next years QB Class is loaded.

Tua, Herbert, Fromm and Eason are all really highly rated prospects and there are like 5 more that could be drafted in the 1st or 2nd round. However, your point is valid, there are a lot of guys that don't make it but if we are being honest here, Dak hasn't proven that he's made it yet either, IMO. We all kinda talk as if he has but he really hasn't yet.
I think Dak’s already a top 12 QB with plenty of intangibles, and can still get better. You shouldn’t hit the reset button when you land a good one.
 

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I think some fans/posters are undervaluing/underappreciating how hard it is to be a consistent winning QB in the NFL. Strangely enough, Dak has done it with a head and offensive that nearly every poster believe should have been fired at least three years ago.
 

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I think Dak’s already a top 12 QB with plenty of intangibles, and can still get better. You shouldn’t hit the reset button when you land a good one.

I don't necessarily disagree but having said that, top 12 does not make him championship and there is no guarantee that he is ever anything more then what he is today. While I don't think you should have to send your QB packing, per say, I also don't think that you should be forced to pay a middle of the pack QB like he was one of the 3 to 5 best in the game either. Intangibles are great but at some point, you gotta be able to overcome certain things and raise yourself to the next level. Dak hasn't accomplished that yet and it's probably make or break time for him this season.

JMO
 

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I think some fans/posters are undervaluing/underappreciating how hard it is to be a consistent winning QB in the NFL. Strangely enough, Dak has done it with a head and offensive that nearly every poster believe should have been fired at least three years ago.

I'll go one better for you, whatever Dak has accomplished, he's done it with a Head Coach and an OC that I never thought should have been hired as HC and OC to begin with. Having said that, he's also done it with more talent then just about any team in the league on Offense IMO and that's part of the problem. Teams still Blitz Dak to death and at some point, he's got to be able to take advantage of that. He hasn't learned to do that consistently and that's gonna have to happen soon. JMO
 

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No... I know what his value is. That is why I have a problem with him getting a big contract.

Just like Kirk Cousins. It's clear what he is worth. IF some team wants to pay Dak more then he is actually worth then let them be stupid like Minnesota was.
lol its going to be a long 3 or 4 years for you because its going to happen
 

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I don't necessarily disagree but having said that, top 12 does not make him championship and there is no guarantee that he is ever anything more then what he is today. While I don't think you should have to send your QB packing, per say, I also don't think that you should be forced to pay a middle of the pack QB like he was one of the 3 to 5 best in the game either. Intangibles are great but at some point, you gotta be able to overcome certain things and raise yourself to the next level. Dak hasn't accomplished that yet and it's probably make or break time for him this season.

JMO
before 2 years ago did you think foles was a championship QB? I know i didnt
 

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If anyone here can show ma a feasible alternative to Prescott as the QB, and letting him play out his contract is not an option as the cat was thrown out of the bag on that.

If I have the facts correct, then I say just leave 2019 as is and franchise him the next 2 seasons and it will cost approximately $59,790,000 total over 3 years if the % increase in the franchise tag for QBs stays close to the % increase form 2018 to 2019.

This gives the cowboys leverage imo since there's no pressure to pay him $30+ million now when they can average paying him less than $20 million per year by leaving 2019 as is and franchising him back to back in years 2020 & 2021. This gives them a 3 year look with maximum flexibility and a reasonable average cost of $20 mill/year. They could also do a contract now that guarantees the $60 million they're projected to pay under this scenario which would give Dak a nice, fat insurance check and the team a potential 4th or 5th year option added to the deal.

The only downside I see is they'll be forced to part ways or pay him big in 2022 if he turns out to be a stud because the franchise tag $$ will be so bloated, it will no longer be an option. However, if he really blossoms in 3 years, I don't think anyone will mind giving him a big deal. Seems like the CBA is up in 3 years too so it might be nice not to have too much tied up without knowing how that goes.

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I don't necessarily disagree but having said that, top 12 does not make him championship and there is no guarantee that he is ever anything more then what he is today. While I don't think you should have to send your QB packing, per say, I also don't think that you should be forced to pay a middle of the pack QB like he was one of the 3 to 5 best in the game either. Intangibles are great but at some point, you gotta be able to overcome certain things and raise yourself to the next level. Dak hasn't accomplished that yet and it's probably make or break time for him this season.

JMO
There’s a laundry list of QBs who weren’t top 12 in the league and still won a Super Bowl. Eli Manning did it twice.

Dak’s plenty good enough. He’s played great football in all 3 of his career playoff games too.

The market changes are why Dak will be a “top 3-5 paid” QB. That’s not being overpaid, that’s the reality of a QB’s options once he hits the open market in 2019.

If EVERY NFL QB was a free agent this summer, Dak wouldn’t be one of the top 3-5 paid.
 

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The odds of drafting a QB even half as good as Dak aren’t great.

What’s Paxton Lynch doing nowadays? Shining his Lombardi Trophies?

Paxton Lynch was an obvious bust. The tape doesnt lie. GMs need to trust what they and their scouts see rather than falling for the media hype that usually follows the 'athlete' QBs with all the off field measurements. No amount of brilliant combine scores and measurements can substitute for the fact that a QB simply isnt good enough at playing the position.
 

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before 2 years ago did you think foles was a championship QB? I know i didnt

You are talking to the wrong guy here. I'm on record, I wanted to sign Foles and Draft a QB a few years ago. Heck, this season, I discussed the idea of signing Foles and trading Dak if a contract could not be agreed upon. So yeah, I've always thought more of Foles then most Cowboy Fans but if you are asking if I thought he was a sure fire Championship QB, no. I never thought that he was a can't miss QB.
 
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