Peter King nuggets on Dak

OmerV · May 17, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Unless you only extend him 3 years as I suggested. Then you could come back if he had more success and open up the checkbook so to speak before that contract was over.

I really don’t believe at this point Dak would fetch top dollar in Free Agency.

But you aren’t going to be able to extend him for 3 years at $20 MM per. It’s likely going to take $28-30 MM for any extension. And there will have to be significant guaranteed money

Diehardblues · May 17, 2019

OmerV said:
But you aren’t going to be able to extend him for 3 years at $20 MM per. It’s likely going to take $28-30 MM for any extension. And there will have to be significant guaranteed money

Do you think Dak would turn down that type of contract?

OmerV · May 17, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Do you think Dak would turn down that type of contract?

$20 MM/year? Yes, he would turn it down without hesitating for a second.

Diehardblues · May 17, 2019

OmerV said:
$20 MM/year? Yes, he would turn it down without hesitating for a second.

I’d like to find out.

gjkoeppen · May 17, 2019

Cowfan75 said:
"Reading between the lines" is you taking what he said a certain way. It's your opinion, in other words. First you claim something is said specifically, then backtrack and say it's between the lines. If you don't see a contradiction there, good for you. As I say, no points off for trying!

Maybe you should stick to children's books where everything is obvious. They even have pictures to make it easier for you.
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Cowfan75 · May 17, 2019

gjkoeppen said:
Maybe you should stick to children's books where everything is obvious. They even have pictures to make it easier for you.
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LOL...and when all else fails, try insults. Don't have a meltdown, sport. It'll be okay!

TwentyOne · May 18, 2019

My problem with this is not the money. Of course i have a problem with the outrages amount of money these players get.

But in Daks case its not about how much he will earn. I really dont care if he gets 25 or 30 mils per year. The problem i have is with the decission to bind the franchise to him longterm. Right now he is not even a medicore NFL QB. And in the last 3 years he essentially hasnt shown ability to improve on his weaknesess.

To imagine we will be bound to him for the next 4 to 5 years gives me shivers. Of course he may pan out, maybe even this season. But to give him a longterm contract you cant get out of if he doesnt ? That is a big big risk.

boysfaninMI · May 18, 2019

Risen Star said:
When you pay a QB 30 million a year, you shouldn't have to also pay a WR 16 million and a RB another 16. That QB shouldn't need it. He should simply make stars of the next batch of skill players because he should be great. He's getting paid like it.

Prescott needs it and more.

What an absolute disgrace that contract will be.

As usual you are dead wrong. The CONTRACT will be a disgrace? Not really...but the Billionaire Bumpkins who sign him to it and pay all that money are certainly slow learners if not a disgrace. Jay Ratliff, Marion Barber and about a dozen other bad mega deals come to mind.

OmerV · May 18, 2019

Diehardblues said:
I’d like to find out.

I have no doubt we already have found out. If Dak would accept $20 MM/year the Cowboys would have been stumbling over themselves to get the contract prepared and executed before he changed his mind.

DuncanIso · May 20, 2019

TwentyOne said:
My problem with this is not the money. Of course i have a problem with the outrages amount of money these players get.

But in Daks case its not about how much he will earn. I really dont care if he gets 25 or 30 mils per year. The problem i have is with the decission to bind the franchise to him longterm. Right now he is not even a medicore NFL QB. And in the last 3 years he essentially hasnt shown ability to improve on his weaknesess.

To imagine we will be bound to him for the next 4 to 5 years gives me shivers. Of course he may pan out, maybe even this season. But to give him a longterm contract you cant get out of if he doesnt ? That is a big big risk.

Agree.

csirl · May 21, 2019

If we're honest about it, if Garretts contract isnt renewed for 2020, Dak wont be on our roster in 2020.

OmerV · May 21, 2019

csirl said:
If we're honest about it, if Garretts contract isnt renewed for 2020, Dak wont be on our roster in 2020.

I don’t think that’s at all a given. Dak likely will have a shiner new contract that will tie him to the team, and a new coach won’t want to come into a situation without an established QB.

csirl · May 21, 2019

OmerV said:
I don’t think that’s at all a given. Dak likely will have a shiner new contract that will tie him to the team, and a new coach won’t want to come into a situation without an established QB.

I disagree on new coach issue. Not always possible, but most will want their own choice of QB. We saw a good example in Arizona recently where the incoming HC wasnt even willing to let a first rounder compete in camp. I just dont see any incoming HC wanting to be tied to using Dak.

Regardless of peoples views of Dak, JG being in the final year of his contract is reason enough to not extend Dak. Who knows what system and players a new coaching squad will want.

OmerV · May 21, 2019

csirl said:
I disagree on new coach issue. Not always possible, but most will want their own choice of QB. We saw a good example in Arizona recently where the incoming HC wasnt even willing to let a first rounder compete in camp. I just dont see any incoming HC wanting to be tied to using Dak.

Regardless of peoples views of Dak, JG being in the final year of his contract is reason enough to not extend Dak. Who knows what system and players a new coaching squad will want.

I think if you will look around at all the coaching changes over the years you will find that QB changes are far from automatic, and the QB only changes when the current QB is some career backup who is just temporarily manning the position, or is a guy that has been given his shot and never had any success. Neither of those things apply to Dak.

The reality is even if Dak isn't the ideal guy, a new coach can't just waltz in and find someone better. It's not as easy as some fans want to imagine. Even if the team were to have a top 5 draft pick to use on a QB (which they won't), that still is far from a certainty. Somebody started a thread a few days ago that showed all the first round picks that have been used on QBs the last 10 years or so, and far and away most never reached Dak's level.

The bottom line is the future of a coach depends on how successful he is, and a coach isn't going to want to risk floundering around a few years looking for a QB. His job may not survive it.

csirl · May 21, 2019

OmerV said:
I think if you will look around at all the coaching changes over the years you will find that QB changes are far from automatic, and the QB only changes when the current QB is some career backup who is just temporarily manning the position, or is a guy that has been given his shot and never had any success. Neither of those things apply to Dak.

The reality is even if Dak isn't the ideal guy, a new coach can't just waltz in and find someone better. It's not as easy as some fans want to imagine. Even if the team were to have a top 5 draft pick to use on a QB (which they won't), that still is far from a certainty. Somebody started a thread a few days ago that showed all the first round picks that have been used on QBs the last 10 years or so, and far and away most never reached Dak's level.

The bottom line is the future of a coach depends on how successful he is, and a coach isn't going to want to risk floundering around a few years looking for a QB. His job may not survive it.

I think many fans over value their own players. Most people elsewhere view Dak as being a cheap interim solution similar in talent level to those career backup types mentioned in your post.

OmerV · May 21, 2019

csirl said:
I think many fans over value their own players. Most people elsewhere view Dak as being a cheap interim solution similar in talent level to those career backup types mentioned in your post.

There aren't even enough quality starting QB's to fill the 32 teams, much less enough to feel you can just throw out one that wins games and gets to the playoffs and replace him with someone better. Teams are struggling every year with guys like Tyrod Taylor and Ryan Tennehil and Marcus Mariota and Brock Osweiler and on and on.

And, again, history shows that even 1st round draft picks are unlikely to play as well or better than Dak, and history also shows that new head coaches don't automatically want to run off QBs that have had at least some measure of success.

I'm talking about facts, not personal feelings. I'm frankly not convinced Dak is the best answer myself. I'm just realistic enough to know that QBs don't grow on trees, and a new head coach is going to want to keep someone that has demonstrated he can win games with the team.

csirl · May 21, 2019

OmerV said:
There aren't even enough quality starting QB's to fill the 32 teams, much less enough to feel you can just throw out one that wins games and gets to the playoffs and replace him with someone better. Teams are struggling every year with guys like Tyrod Taylor and Ryan Tennehil and Marcus Mariota and Brock Osweiler and on and on.

And, again, history shows that even 1st round draft picks are unlikely to play as well or better than Dak, and history also shows that new head coaches don't automatically want to run off QBs that have had at least some measure of success.

I'm talking about facts, not personal feelings. I'm frankly not convinced Dak is the best answer myself. I'm just realistic enough to know that QBs don't grow on trees, and a new head coach is going to want to keep someone that has demonstrated he can win games with the team.

I think we're coming at this from different perspectives. Id be in the "always seeking to improve the roster" camp. I would prepare to try rather than settle for second best.

While history shows a high % of 1st round picks will be busts, it also shows that most elite QBs are 1st rounders. One thing good about 1st round picks is that you get one every year. There is never only a single chance - if you draft and it doesnt work out, you go again.

There are people advocating a 5 or 6 year extension for Dak. My sense is that the odds of winning a SB would be a lot higher if we decided to draft a 1st round QB, and if he didnt work out, draft another, within the 6 year period.

gjkoeppen · May 21, 2019

csirl said:
If we're honest about it, if Garretts contract isnt renewed for 2020, Dak wont be on our roster in 2020.

Just think how foolish that will look when the Cowboys extend Prescott before this season starts. And then you think they're going to release him less than a year latter? Lastly since both Jerry and Stephen have said Prescott is their QB for the future I seriously doubt Prescott is tied to Garrett in any way.
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gjkoeppen · May 21, 2019

csirl said:
I disagree on new coach issue. Not always possible, but most will want their own choice of QB. We saw a good example in Arizona recently where the incoming HC wasnt even willing to let a first rounder compete in camp. I just dont see any incoming HC wanting to be tied to using Dak.

Regardless of peoples views of Dak, JG being in the final year of his contract is reason enough to not extend Dak. Who knows what system and players a new coaching squad will want.

Here's the huge flaw in that idea. You're trying to compare a QB on the 2nd year of a ROOKIE contract to Prescott who will have just signed a big contract. There aren't going to be a lot of teams willing to trade for a QB with that kind of cap hit and the Cowboys (Jerry) isn't going to lower his asking price making it that much harder to trade him. Next, Jerry won't trade Prescott. If Garrett doersn't get a new contract I'll bet that whoever the new coach is Jerry will say as part of accepting this job also includes Prescott just like he did when he hired Phillips and was told Garrett will be the OC. Lastly even though Jerry hasn't given Garrett an extension does not mean that Garrett is automatically gone. There have been other years where there was speculation by fans and the talking heads that Garrett was going to be fired and he wasn't. Jones knows that the players like and respect him and he likes the culture that Garrett has in the locker room.
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csirl · May 21, 2019

gjkoeppen said:
Here's the huge flaw in that idea. You're trying to compare a QB on the 2nd year of a ROOKIE contract to Prescott who will have just signed a big contract. There aren't going to be a lot of teams willing to trade for a QB with that kind of cap hit and the Cowboys (Jerry) isn't going to lower his asking price making it that much harder to trade him. Next, Jerry won't trade Prescott. If Garrett doersn't get a new contract I'll bet that whoever the new coach is Jerry will say as part of accepting this job also includes Prescott just like he did when he hired Phillips and was told Garrett will be the OC. Lastly even though Jerry hasn't given Garrett an extension does not mean that Garrett is automatically gone. There have been other years where there was speculation by fans and the talking heads that Garrett was going to be fired and he wasn't. Jones knows that the players like and respect him and he likes the culture that Garrett has in the locker room.
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Jerry may well do all this, but it doesnt mean its the right decision.

General Manager Course 101

Do not extend your QB until you know who will be coaching.

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