Who Is To Blame For The Star Wars Fiasco?

DallasEast · May 21, 2019

Runwildboys said:
Yeah, I knew you'd have something to say about it. Lol. It's all good, I was never a huge enough fan of the original show, to stick around and see if it got better, after the first 15 minutes or so.

lol! Have you only seen 15 minutes or so of the original series, the reimagined series or both?

timb2 · May 21, 2019

I don't have a problem with a strong female hero, like Gal Gadot was great as Wonder Woman. The Last Jedi seem to push the idea that with Princess Leia now being a General. Rey is a twig and she can do anything.,but the one that took the cake for me was Laura Dern's character when she gave that line to the Rebel pilot "I've dealt with flyboys like you years ago"...Ooozzzed hatred of men. Men are dogs and pigs and we are not intelligent. Only women know what to do.BLAH BLAH BLAH. Turn on The Oprah Winfrey Show and pass out the cupcakes...

CouchCoach · May 21, 2019

People going to see the movies. If they don't come; they won't build it. That's why so many plans for sequels and trilogies get dumped. "Dragonslayer" was the first of a planned trilogy but the box office receipts couldn't validate that.

They wouldn't be making a Rambo movie with a 72 year old action star if they didn't plan on a profit.

Star Wars is just like GoT and the fans really like to dog them. I ask myself one question about any movie or series or music and if the answer is yes, I am good for the next go. Did I receive ample return on my money and/or time investment?

Picking parts of these movies that you don't like is like judging a QB, oh say Dak Prescott, off selected plays and not the entire body of work.

Somebodies like these Star Wars movies because people keep showing up.

And after all, objectivity is the illusion, everything is subjective.

DallasEast · May 21, 2019

CouchCoach said:
People going to see the movies. If they don't come; they won't build it. That's why so many plans for sequels and trilogies get dumped. "Dragonslayer" was the first of a planned trilogy but the box office receipts couldn't validate that.

They wouldn't be making a Rambo movie with a 72 year old action star if they didn't plan on a profit.

Star Wars is just like GoT and the fans really like to dog them. I ask myself one question about any movie or series or music and if the answer is yes, I am good for the next go. Did I receive ample return on my money and/or time investment?

Picking parts of these movies that you don't like is like judging a QB, oh say Dak Prescott, off selected plays and not the entire body of work.

Somebodies like these Star Wars movies because people keep showing up.

And after all, objectivity is the illusion, everything is subjective.

Introducing Prescott into this angst thread is like throwing gasoline on a bonfire. :laugh:

Runwildboys · May 21, 2019

DallasEast said:
lol! Have you only seen 15 minutes or so of the original series, the reimagined series or both?

I watched the original when I was a kid, and there wasn't much else on.

DallasEast · May 21, 2019

timb2 said:
I don't have a problem with a strong female hero, like Gal Gadot was great as Wonder Woman. The Last Jedi seem to push the idea that with Princess Leia now being a General.

I am trying to refrain from commenting but curiosity tagged me again. May I ask what did you consider as wrong with Leia Organa being cast as a high ranking leader of the Rebellion?

DallasEast · May 21, 2019

Runwildboys said:
I watched the original when I was a kid, and there wasn't much else on.

So (I am assuming) you watched all of the original series and only "15 minutes or so" of the reimagined series..?

Runwildboys · May 21, 2019

DallasEast said:
So (I am assuming) you watched all of the original series and only "15 minutes or so" of the reimagined series..?

Yes. I now see where the confusion was, but I can't edit it now.

CouchCoach · May 21, 2019

DallasEast said:
Introducing Prescott into this angst thread is like throwing gasoline on a bonfire.

I am just satisfying my postjacking urge by bringing Cowboys football into the OTZ. It's like reverse engineering postjacking and in CC's World of Anarchy, it all makes sense.

DallasEast · May 21, 2019

Runwildboys said:
Yes. I now see where the confusion was, but I can't edit it now.

Not a problem. There are remakes or continuations of series and movies I have avoided also.

Heck. @YosemiteSam may remember me mentioning this story before. I recall the first time I saw the first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation called Encounter At Farpoint FILLED with expectations. There I sat, critiquing EVERYTHING. Then it happened. The primary and secondary saucer sections separated. At warp.

I nerded out. "Why would a starship that large disengage primary and secondary hulls, especially within its own warp bubble?" I turned off my television and swore never to watch this new <expletive> ever again. That is, until the day I accidentally turned on the show and saw the Contagion episode, was immediately hooked, and gave the show a second chance.

Placing my hypocritical tendencies aside for a moment, I do try not judging individual characters and actor/actress portrayals until giving them a chance to be presented properly. It does not mean I do not eventually consider some characters as average, terrible or worse but I do try judging with 'enough' accumulated evidence first.

DallasEast · May 21, 2019

CouchCoach said:
I am just satisfying my postjacking urge by bringing Cowboys football into the OTZ. It's like reverse engineering postjacking and in CC's World of Anarchy, it all makes sense.

Good enough. And may I say, in the spirit (kinda) of the thread, "May the Force be with you."

timb2 · May 21, 2019

DallasEast said:
I am trying to refrain from commenting but curiosity tagged me again. May I ask what did you consider as wrong with Leia Organa being cast as a high ranking leader of the Rebellion?

Because it is obvious they wanted to push an agenda instead of a good story

Runwildboys · May 21, 2019

CouchCoach said:
I am just satisfying my postjacking urge by bringing Cowboys football into the OTZ. It's like reverse engineering postjacking and in CC's World of Anarchy, it all makes sense.

All hail the Grand Poobah!!!
:bow:

nobody · May 21, 2019

timb2 said:
Because it is obvious they wanted to push an agenda instead of a good story

Leia was one of the leaders of the Rebellion in RoTJ, ESB, and ANH. It makes total sense that she'd be THE leader of a new rebellion against the First Order. She was always a strong personality from the first. Super Saiyan Space Leia was utterly ridiculous, but her being a general? It fits perfectly. She should have died when the bridge took the hit though, Jedi-trained or not.

There were several examples of agenda in TLJ, but her being a general wasn't one of them.

Runwildboys · May 21, 2019

DallasEast said:
Not a problem. There are remakes or continuations of series and movies I have avoided also.

Heck. @YosemiteSam may remember me mentioning this story before. I recall the first time I saw the first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation called Encounter At Farpoint FILLED with expectations. There I sat, critiquing EVERYTHING. Then it happened. The primary and secondary saucer sections separated. At warp.

I nerded out. "Why would a starship that large disengage primary and secondary hulls, especially within its own warp bubble?" I turned off my television and swore never to watch this new <expletive> ever again. That is, until the day I accidentally turned on the show and saw the Contagion episode, was immediately hooked, and gave the show a second chance.

Placing my hypocritical tendencies aside for a moment, I do try not judging individual characters and actor/actress portrayals until giving them a chance to be presented properly. It does not mean I do not eventually consider some characters as average, terrible or worse but I do try judging with 'enough' accumulated evidence first.

If I was a big fan of the original, rather than just a casual viewer, I'm sure I would've given the reboot more of a chance.

As for TNG, it took me a while to really go all in, but the Klingon update helped considerably. I couldn't stand Riker's character, and I was iffy about this old, bald captain, who's from France, but has a distinct British accent. It ended up being my favorite incarnation of the series....though I'm still not a Riker fan.

YosemiteSam · May 21, 2019

DallasEast said:
Not a problem. There are remakes or continuations of series and movies I have avoided also.

Heck. @YosemiteSam may remember me mentioning this story before. I recall the first time I saw the first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation called Encounter At Farpoint FILLED with expectations. There I sat, critiquing EVERYTHING. Then it happened. The primary and secondary saucer sections separated. At warp.

I nerded out. "Why would a starship that large disengage primary and secondary hulls, especially within its own warp bubble?" I turned off my television and swore never to watch this new <expletive> ever again. That is, until the day I accidentally turned on the show and saw the Contagion episode, was immediately hooked, and gave the show a second chance.

Placing my hypocritical tendencies aside for a moment, I do try not judging individual characters and actor/actress portrayals until giving them a chance to be presented properly. It does not mean I do not eventually consider some characters as average, terrible or worse but I do try judging with 'enough' accumulated evidence first.

That's because Star Trek is BOSS. Even when it lays an egg, the overall shows always manages to overall meet the baseline of Star Trek. ...and as you noted. Occasionally, it puts out iconic episodes that define why we all really love Star Trek.

YosemiteSam · May 21, 2019

Runwildboys said:
If I was a big fan of the original, rather than just a casual viewer, I'm sure I would've given the reboot more of a chance.

As for TNG, it took me a while to really go all in, but the Klingon update helped considerably. I couldn't stand Riker's character, and I was iffy about this old, bald captain, who's from France, but has a distinct British accent. It ended up being my favorite incarnation of the series....though I'm still not a Riker fan.

Riker's first season was rough to accept, but he came around. He is a distinct character and that is something that is always great about Star Trek. Their characters tend to be very distinct from any other types of characters from any other type of show.

Name another show that has a character like Riker? Data? Jadzia Dax? Jordie LaForge? Spock? While you can say T'Pol or Tuvok is similar to Spock. They aren't, they are just the same race. Spock is an iconic character. It's Kirk, Spock, Bones, and Scotty that created the core vision of what Star Trek became.

I learned to love Star Trek from watching the Original Series in the 80s. I actually have more difficulty watching TOS these days though. I've forgotten many of those episdoes I knew so well as a kid, but all the series since I really love and watch over and over. I've recently started watching TOS again. I'm about 5-6 episodes in. (the first Harcourt Mudd episode) I want to start watching them again and make them part of my rotation again. Once they grab you. You're done for!

Runwildboys · May 21, 2019

YosemiteSam said:
Riker's first season was rough to accept, but he came around. He is a distinct character and that is something that is always great about Star Trek. Their characters tend to be very distinct from any other types of characters from any other type of show.

Name another show that has a character like Riker? Data? Jadzia Dax? Jordie LaForge? Spock? While you can say T'Pol or Tuvok is similar to Spock. They aren't. Spock is an iconic character. It's Kirk, Spock, Bones, and Scotty that created the core vision of what Star Trek became.

I learned to love Star Trek from watching the Original Series in the 80s. I actually have more difficulty watching TOS these days though. I've forgotten many of those episdoes I knew so well as a kid, but all the series since I really love and watch over and over. I've recently started watching TOS again. I'm about 5-6 episodes in. (the first Harcourt Mudd episode) I want to start watching them again and make them part of my rotation again. Once they grab you. You're done for!

Is the first Harry Mudd episode the one with the women who take the pills to "become beautiful"?

I have to say, I was both surprised and upset that Tasha Yar died in TNG. She was becoming one of my favorite characters.

cml750 · May 21, 2019

CouchCoach said:
People going to see the movies. If they don't come; they won't build it. That's why so many plans for sequels and trilogies get dumped. "Dragonslayer" was the first of a planned trilogy but the box office receipts couldn't validate that.

They wouldn't be making a Rambo movie with a 72 year old action star if they didn't plan on a profit.

Star Wars is just like GoT and the fans really like to dog them. I ask myself one question about any movie or series or music and if the answer is yes, I am good for the next go. Did I receive ample return on my money and/or time investment?

Picking parts of these movies that you don't like is like judging a QB, oh say Dak Prescott, off selected plays and not the entire body of work.

Somebodies like these Star Wars movies because people keep showing up.

And after all, objectivity is the illusion, everything is subjective.

Solo was for the most part a flop because people like me who were life long die hard Star Wars fans were so utterly disgusted with the Last Jedi bullcrap they produced they stayed away from it. That was the first Star Wars flop ever. Disney paid too much for Star Wars to produce flops. They will eventually cut Kathleen Kennedy loose because the blame lays squarely at her feet. I will stay away from Star Wars until she is no longer apart of it and I know several other people like me who feel the same way. They could have easily made Rey the strong female heroin while staying out of the political bullcrap messaging in Last Jedi.

YosemiteSam · May 21, 2019

Runwildboys said:
Is the first Harry Mudd episode the one with the women who take the pills to "become beautiful"?

Yes. It was called Mudd's Women. The second one was I, Mudd from season two I believe.

Who Is To Blame For The Star Wars Fiasco?

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