NFL and NFLPA joint agreement on pain management, potentially including marijuana

So now marijuana is a not considered a recreational drug ?

With no end in sight this can only be deemed as "chronic"

Reid1boys said:

Finally...the beginning of the end of suspensions for pot.

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I think that more players do it for the buzz vice paini management. They could probably do without the THC...

CouchCoach said:

And that's a hell of al lot better than it used to be but still antiquated. When they had the private club law and then morphed into the Unicard, those were some fun times watching people trying to understand the stupid laws just to get a drink. The only thing that changed it was the loss of convention business because attendees were voting Texas out of the running. Add to that the stupid dry area laws. But Addison Texas is mighty happy most of the Dallas area and suburbs were asleep as the wheel.

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Yea, we’ve seen some of the dry areas dampened up at least with wine and beer but if you get away from I 35 Corridor you could still drive hours maybe all day especially out West before finding a wet area.

RoboQB said:

Lol.
You can disagree. It doesn't make me wrong.
People high on pot do not drive too fast. They go 7mph and pull over in the median.
But they definitely do not speed.

You should come up with a better barometer than "studies show".
For nearly every study, there is another study to counter it.
It is usually for us to decide which to believe.

Personal experience over 48 years tells me that, by and large, people do not speed
while high on weed. I'm certain that I've casted a much wider net than any study.

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Very recently, the Colorado Department of Transportation published data covering the period of time since marijuana was legalized through year-end 2018.

Across the board, traffic violations - speeding, running red lights, etc - as well as motor vehicle accidents are up significantly and the root cause (as determined by CDOT) is associated with marijuana usage. While nearly all age categories showed increases, the group with the most significant increase is 20 - 40 year-old drivers.

One of the more debated issues at the time marijuana was legalized was the impact of driving under the influence. Data from the first year or two following legalization seem to suggest no significant uptick in motor vehicle incidents. The current study pretty well debunks those studies.

America's Cowboy said:

Fist bump. Retired firefighter paramedic here as well.

Maybe it's because of where you live that you've only experienced a handful of calls of cannabis overdose in 13 years? I live in deep South Texas. Experienced lots of calls of cannabis overdose due to extremely high THC levels and/or spiked with other drugs. Seen plenty of effects, how addictive it is, how it has been a gateway drug to stronger more dangerous illegal drugs, how it has destroyed families, led to criminal lifestyles, how it has negatively impacted society all along the border and corrupted officials/judges/attorneys/police/etc... and worse. All because it starts off as a way to "get high", which eventually leads to a habit, addiction, then worse.

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it would cease causing "problems at the border" if it were legal. suddenly no one is warring over weed anymore because it's legal to buy.
"cannabis overdose" literally is not a thing. maybe someone took an edible and didn't realize how strong it would be and is paranoid and freaks out and calls 911...that is not an overdose. you cannot overdose on weed.
it is not a gateway drug.
marijuana alone has not "ruined families." you're making stuff up. no one thing alone "ruins a family."

RoboQB said:

Lol.
You can disagree. It doesn't make me wrong.
People high on pot do not drive too fast. They go 7mph and pull over in the median.
But they definitely do not speed.

You should come up with a better barometer than "studies show".
For nearly every study, there is another study to counter it.
It is usually for us to decide which to believe.

Personal experience over 48 years tells me that, by and large, people do not speed
while high on weed. I'm certain that I've casted a much wider net than any study.

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Doesn't make you right either. Did you look into the stats, as I suggested? Did you look at the results of studies or did you just ignore that? No real trick to it, if you just google the subject, the info is all over. Driving while under the influence of weed is definitely not safe. That's the main point, if you want to argue at what speed it becomes unsafe, that's up to you. Whatever speed it might be, its being reached.

CouchCoach said:

What the hell's the fun in that? Think about getting a 6'5" 330lb guy stoned and then kicking his pacifist butt. "Hey, you want some more butt kicking, Baby Huey? No, I don't have any Cheetos".

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You had me, till you said that you don't have any Cheetos Coach......

Haimerej said:

Lol... no.

Is McDonald's liable when a drive thru attendant gets busted for a joint?

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If the joint creates a situation where a patron gets injured or dead and the employee has received permission to get high from McDonalds then you bet they are.

I'm not going to argue if MJ is good for you or bad for you. What I will say is that I agree with the posters that are saying that the NFL should not test for MJ.

There are too many studies that are coming out that appear to show MJ can and does protect against traumatic head injuries and may even be helpful with CTE. However, these studies are still in the early stages and they are not yet definitive. Because of the MJ's success with Dravet and Lennox-Gastaut the FDA recently approved the pharmaceutical drug Epidiolex which contains Cannabidiol and THC to combat the seizures in very young children and adolescents.
https://www.epidiolex.com/

I think even if there is a very small possibility that MJ can help with the effects of traumatic head injuries then I think it is in the NFL's best interest to not test for MJ.

These are some government studies that outline only the possibility that MJ can reduce the effects of Traumatic Head Injuries and CTE:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5314139/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6200872/

These are from less neutral and more anecdotal in nature,
https://www.marijuanadoctors.com/conditions/chronic-traumatic-encephalopathy/
https://inhalemd.com/blog/can-marijuana-be-used-treat-cte/
https://www.rollingstone.com/cultur...nfl-cte-and-how-weed-changed-his-life-205616/

If I were playing in the NFL today and there was a possibility that MJ could stop the onset of CTE, and would allow me to stay off opiates, I would seriously consider taking MJ. That is just me, everyone has the right to make their own decisions and I think if the NFL actually cares about the players the best decision they could make is to not test for MJ.

I would also like to say that I don't drink or smoke, but I think that we should have the ability to medicate our own bodies as we see fit as long as no one else is hurt by our decisions.

Sin

Full Dissident‏Verified account @hbryant42 9h9 hours ago
If you left journalistic choices up to fans, you’d cover virtually nothing. We celebrate Jackie Robinson for his “courage,” but a majority of fans didn’t want integration in October 1945. If you follow today’s logic, Robinson wouldn’t be covered now, which is probably true.


NFL fans not wanting weed to be allowed in the NFL should mean nothing.

ABQCOWBOY said:

Doesn't make you right either. Did you look into the stats, as I suggested? Did you look at the results of studies or did you just ignore that? No real trick to it, if you just google the subject, the info is all over. Driving while under the influence of weed is definitely not safe. That's the main point, if you want to argue at what speed it becomes unsafe, that's up to you. Whatever speed it might be, its being reached.

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I'll say it one last time. You made a claim about pot smokers driving too fast.
My initial response was directed solely at that comment. People, high on pot, do not
drive fast.

Nobody smokes a joint and hops into a vehicle wanting to exceed the speed limit.
It just doesn't happen. And it doesn't matter what some study shows.

Hell, when people talk about gun violence and spout statistics, they never mention
that they are including suicides in their study. Studies are simply made by those
who want a certain result.

It's really no different than arguing about our QB. Those that like him make points
that favor their argument. Same for those who don't like him.

Show me a survey of 1000 pot smokers answering whether they speed while high.
I bet it doesn't reach 1%.

Try to remember this debate was about speeding while being high on pot.
Don't give another back pedal comment about it being unsafe.

Clarkson said:

Full Dissident‏Verified account @hbryant42 9h9 hours ago
If you left journalistic choices up to fans, you’d cover virtually nothing. We celebrate Jackie Robinson for his “courage,” but a majority of fans didn’t want integration in October 1945. If you follow today’s logic, Robinson wouldn’t be covered now, which is probably true.


NFL fans not wanting weed to be allowed in the NFL should mean nothing.

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do fans really care if weed is allowed? I dont think so. NBA players are smoking weed like crazy. NBA got smart and stopped testing for it. The NBA is as strong as it has ever been. Fans do not care at all about players and weed use.

waldoputty said:

one of my close family members did drug abuse research in the 80's and 90's that included drugs such as pot (delta-9-thc), cocaine, alcohol, nicotine and salt.
this research was supported by nida, a part of nih.

i think there were about 10-20 top university teams, and funds came from nih and the dod.
these groups presented their results in conferences ran by the federal government.
the amazing thing was that these groups concluded pot was by far the least harmful out of the 5.
considering that salt, nicotine and alcohol are legal, that is pretty strange.
of course, their research was suppressed by the agencies that funded the research.
these teams pretty much lost interest in the work due to the government agenda.

i personally do not smoke, drink (other than as courtesy in business setting) or even gamble.
i do hope we get gregory back next year with his cheap 2 year contract.

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yeah nida prevents unbiased research.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/marijuana-research/

ColoCowboy said:

Very recently, the Colorado Department of Transportation published data covering the period of time since marijuana was legalized through year-end 2018.

Across the board, traffic violations - speeding, running red lights, etc - as well as motor vehicle accidents are up significantly and the root cause (as determined by CDOT) is associated with marijuana usage. While nearly all age categories showed increases, the group with the most significant increase is 20 - 40 year-old drivers.

One of the more debated issues at the time marijuana was legalized was the impact of driving under the influence. Data from the first year or two following legalization seem to suggest no significant uptick in motor vehicle incidents. The current study pretty well debunks those studies.

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If you want to add to the conversation, please understand the discussion is about
speeding while high on pot. I'm saying people do not smoke pot and then drive fast.

Can you provide data solely based on speeding violations while high on pot?

Diehardblues said:

Yea, we’ve seen some of the dry areas dampened up at least with wine and beer but if you get away from I 35 Corridor you could still drive hours maybe all day especially out West before finding a wet area.

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IM from Ca... we have none of those laws. My first game at AT&T we went to a tailgate and went to buy some beer at about 11..... much to my dismay, I found out about their "Church Laws," as I call them. Unreal

Reid1boys said:

IM from Ca... we have none of those laws. My first game at AT&T we went to a tailgate and went to buy some beer at about 11..... much to my dismay, I found out about their "Church Laws," as I call them. Unreal

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That law is still in force regardless if it’s a wet area. No alcohol sales in Texas before Noon.

We once had beer confiscated off beer cart on the course before Noon and it wasn’t even opened.

RoboQB said:

I'll say it one last time. You made a claim about pot smokers driving too fast.
My initial response was directed solely at that comment. People, high on pot, do not
drive fast.

Nobody smokes a joint and hops into a vehicle wanting to exceed the speed limit.
It just doesn't happen. And it doesn't matter what some study shows.

Hell, when people talk about gun violence and spout statistics, they never mention
that they are including suicides in their study. Studies are simply made by those
who want a certain result.

It's really no different than arguing about our QB. Those that like him make points
that favor their argument. Same for those who don't like him.

Show me a survey of 1000 pot smokers answering whether they speed while high.
I bet it doesn't reach 1%.

Try to remember this debate was about speeding while being high on pot.
Don't give another back pedal comment about it being unsafe.

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Say it till the Cows come home, for all I care. You have no proof of what you claim. I already posted that you were probably right with regards to the speeds of most accidents but you would rather zero in on this one small thing. Whatever, it's your time to waste but you aint wasting mine. You didn't look up the studies and you didn't bother to research any of the data that shows it's unsafe to drive, while under the influence of weed apparently.

Why would you want a survey of a thousand pot heads? I mean, you have access to an actual 20 year study on the matter. Lastly, the "debate" is about sports and weed, not about speeding and weed. I mean, the thread is only 17 pages long and here you are, confused about what the thread is about?

Diehardblues said:

That law is still in force regardless if it’s a wet area. No alcohol sales in Texas before Noon.

We once had beer confiscated off beer cart on the course before Noon and it wasn’t even opened.

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that being said.......IM pretty sure that those laws are thrown out the window if the Cowboys have a playoff game that starts at 11:30 am..... Hypocrisy at its' best.

Reid1boys said:

that being said.......IM pretty sure that those laws are thrown out the window if the Cowboys have a playoff game that starts at 11:30 am..... Hypocrisy at its' best.

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I seriously doubt it. Remember the stadium opens 2 hours before kickoff and you still can’t buy a beer until Noon.

I attended games at Texas Stadium for much of 3 decades where no alcohol was sold or permitted.

We simply just didn’t associate consuming alcohol with attending football games as we couldn’t and still can’t for Amateur games either. Very sophisticated professional sober crowd . I recall going straight from church to games for Noon kickoffs many times. My father still dressed in a suit. If it was hot he’d take off his tie.