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Probably the post of the day.
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Probably the post of the day.
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listed as a drop in his stat line...
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I don't think we should have lost to Detroit at all, honestly I think it was only close because most if not all of their points came off of bad calls.
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Straw that broke camels back for me after that game.
I'm still a fan, but my passion for it is nowhere near what it once was.
Maybe that's healthy
That`s exactly how I feel
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The different interpretation thing is fine if there are no rules already in place dealing with what happened. The "fan glasses" part is making an accusation while interpreting something in a way that would have benefited your team when there ARE rules in place for what happened PLUS you ignore the clear explanation of the rule you just attempted to slander. At that point, you don't want truth, you just want your way. That's what I'm hitting out against but maybe it wasn't clear.
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Crazy it's been 4+ years since that game. The no-catch pisses me off a little but even more so the Cobb trap catch. Regardless of the Dez call, I feel like GB would have marched down and scored a TD.
Dallas' defense has come a long way since that season...
Those 2015 playoffs stick out due to the domino effect of luck from Detroit/Dal to Dal/GB to GB/Sea to Sea/NE. Just teams losing in the most agonizing fashion.
Dallas' defense has come a long way since that season...
Those 2015 playoffs stick out due to the domino effect of luck from Detroit/Dal to Dal/GB to GB/Sea to Sea/NE. Just teams losing in the most agonizing fashion.
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It’s disputable that Dez Bryant made a football move. It’s easily disputable that having control of the ball in your hand and reaching for the goal line, is a football move. Actually it’s a football move that happens often in NFL games.
That’s why the rule was stupid. Because as written, in situations where the receiver was going to the ground, it forced them into a judgement call on what is/isn’t an act common to the game. However, replay isn’t supposed to be about judgment calls. It’s supposed to be about clear visual evidence. Black
And white.
However, the Dez Bryant play forced the ref into an impossible situation where he had to use his opinion to determine what happened. Thankfully they rewrote the rule to make it more clear.
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Oh Mah Gah! I hope they win this time!
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Ah... the memories.
Makes you want to hit a bong.
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As Pereira said in that video I posted, the football move point is moot when you're deemed as going to the ground. Jesse James did more than even Dez and Calvin Johnson did with his non-catch before he lost possession and still his was ruled incomplete as well. He crossed the goal line to boot. The going to the ground rule was one of the 5 or so "kick-in" subrules back then that when they occurred, they kick-in and take precedence OVER the main catch rule which is for a receiver deemed a runner, or upright. This is why Dez' 3 steps and a hand didn't didn't make him a runner. Dez was falling the whole way so he was deemed as going to the ground and those rules kick in which state to possess the ball through contact with the ground.
The clear visual replay evidence was that the ball hit the ground and Dez lost possession afterwards. That is not opinion. That is fact. If Dez keeps the ball off the ground, everything else could have happened as it did and it would have been a catch. Interesting that you mention replay not being about judgment calls when the NFL just allowed review of pass interference calls which are completely judgment calls.
To me, the catch sub-rule wasn't dumb, it's just that people didn't understand it and the NFL can't have big fan bases like Dallas and Pittsburgh being so pissed off at losing on plays like that and having it affect fandom and hurt the brand so they changed it. They're not stupid.
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I thought the rule was horrible. Because it allowed for a player to have 2 feet in bounds and clear possession of the ball for a second and then still be ruled incomplete. It didn’t pass the “common sense” test. IMO.
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But 2 feet and possession doesn't always happen which is why those multiple subset of rules are necessary. Being carried out of bounds by a defender on the sideline is one of them. 2 feet down never happens in that case. Neither does it happen when a receiver lays out to make a diving catch. If he catches the ball with 2 hands clearly possessing the ball, his torso touches the ground first, but the ball comes out and rolls away as soon as he slams to the turf, should that be a catch? Common sense says no, but a strict possession, 2 feet down (torso) rule would make that a catch. This is why variants are needed.
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I get it. I’m just saying when you look at plays like Jesse James, Calvin Johnson and the Dez play. When watching the game I see it and say “that’s a catch”. But because of how the rule was written. They weren’t. Which to me, makes the rule not good.
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My last response because you don't seem to understand what I'm trying to explain to you.. I understand the rule and that it was not a catch. What I'm trying do pass along. Is that it was a classic Dez Bryant move. That does not mean the changes the interpretation. I'm actually agreeing with you.
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Classic Dez Bryant move? When has he ever done that move, had the ball hit the ground, come loose and have it be called a catch if he wasn't an established runner already? Blandino even pointed out the difference to what Dez did in Green Bay versus the Giants earlier that season. This also wasn't the first time Dez was snakebitten by the going to the ground rule either. The other time it happened we won so no one cared for more than a millisecond.
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Being carried out of bounds by a defender before the feet touch is an incomplete pass now. The rules used to let the officials use judgement to decide if the receiver would have come down in bounds if he wasn't touched, and if the officials thought he would have have landed in bounds then it was ruled a catch. However, I remember a lot of plays where I thought the player would have landed in bounds and the officials still called them incomplete. They changed the rule a few years ago to where it has to be two feet down or another body part such as a knee, so it's really smart now for a defender to knock the guy out of bounds before his feet touch.
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The DL still has much to prove.
They really weren't any great shakes last year.
Average in the pass rush and the run D felt inflated. Especially when confronted by a talented team determined to run on them.
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I do not like your contrary tone.
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Actually, it's still on the books. Here is the complete catch rule as it stands today. Subrule #5 was in existence in 2014 as well. Like the going to the ground rule (which still exists as subrule #2 here after being edited), that subrule kicks in and overrules (a), (b), and (c) of the main rule when that situation occurs because (b) and (c) of the main rule never happens in this case. The same thing was true in 2014 when the pre-edited going to the ground rule took precedence as Mike Pereira outlined in that video I posted.
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is
inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take
an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is
inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take
an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
Notes:
(1) Movement of the ball does not automatically result in loss of control.
(2) If a player, who satisfied (a) and (b), but has not satisfied (c), contacts the ground and loses control of the ball, it is an
incomplete pass if the ball hits the ground before he regains control, or if he regains control out of bounds.
(3) A receiver is considered a player in a defenseless posture (See Rule 12, Section 2, Article 7) throughout the entire
process of the catch and until the player is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent.
(4) If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers.
It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball
is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch
the loose ball.
(5) If a player, who is in possession of the ball, is held up and carried out of bounds by an opponent before both feet or any
part of his body other than his hands touches the ground inbounds, it is a completed or intercepted pass. It is not
necessary for the player to maintain control of the ball when he lands out of bounds.
(1) Movement of the ball does not automatically result in loss of control.
(2) If a player, who satisfied (a) and (b), but has not satisfied (c), contacts the ground and loses control of the ball, it is an
incomplete pass if the ball hits the ground before he regains control, or if he regains control out of bounds.
(3) A receiver is considered a player in a defenseless posture (See Rule 12, Section 2, Article 7) throughout the entire
process of the catch and until the player is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent.
(4) If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers.
It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball
is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch
the loose ball.
(5) If a player, who is in possession of the ball, is held up and carried out of bounds by an opponent before both feet or any
part of his body other than his hands touches the ground inbounds, it is a completed or intercepted pass. It is not
necessary for the player to maintain control of the ball when he lands out of bounds.