NFL and NFLPA joint agreement on pain management, potentially including marijuana

Sinister · May 23, 2019

Sinister said:
My friends daughter had a severe form of epilepsy called Dravet syndrome. They had to move to Colorado to get her treatment. She was having something like 100 seizures a day. The only thing that worked was a medical marijuana strain with a higher than normal THC content. Without that life saving drug she would have died. Luckily she not able to live her life and my friends are so much happier.

My friends daughter IS able to live her life and my friends are so much happier.

Haimerej · May 23, 2019

Corso said:
Don't you drag me into this Ricky Bobby!

Merely providing context.

America's Cowboy · May 23, 2019

RoboQB said:
Wow! You need to get out more.

Not all pot smokers look or act like the Jeff Spicoli character in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

Just giving back to that poster who attacked us old non-druggies. Pretty sure most don't look nor act like Jeff Spicoli.

DandyDon52 · May 23, 2019

Sinister said:
Doctors can recommend and authorize a patient to use Marijuana, but can't write out a prescription. So only in states that have the infrastructure that supports medical marijuana can patients actually benefit from marijuana.

So, in Texas for example a doctor can authorize you to use Marijuana, but you obviously can't go down to walgreens to pick up your marijuana, because in Texas it is illegal to even have marijuana.

However, in Colorado the doctor can authorize their patient to use medical marijuana and the patient can go to a dispensary and find the strain the doctor recommended.

OK thanks for the info, I had a friend here in texas, and he had cancer , and he somehow got medical pot, I assumed he got it here, but
never thought about where that would be lol.
That is what I thought, in some states it is next to impossible for people to make use of medical pot for good reasons.
That is why I dont really feel any pity or concern over wealthy athletes not being able to use it.

HungryLion · May 23, 2019

Sinister said:
It's not equivalent to a prescription, because a prescription is a lawful order that can protect the patient and allow the patient to receive the necessary treatment regardless of laws. A prescription supercedes local laws.

Whereas a recommendation does not supercede local laws and you can still be arrested if you are breaking local laws as in the case of medical marijuana.

This is correct. One small correction I would add is, that with a doctor recommendation somebody can also still be arrested for breaking federal law, not just local law.

Federal law enforcement legally can still arrest and charge people for possession of marijuana even in states that legalized it. Thankfully, the federal justice department hasn’t been enforcing the federal law in states where it is legal.

DandyDon52 · May 23, 2019

Sinister said:
My friends daughter had a severe form of epilepsy called Dravet syndrome. They had to move to Colorado to get her treatment. She was having something like 100 seizures a day. The only thing that worked was a medical marijuana strain with a higher than normal THC content. Without that life saving drug she would have died. Luckily she not able to live her life and my friends are so much happier.

Yes that was one of the disorders in the show, I couldn't remember. But they detailed all the crap and time the parents had to go thru to be able to finally have access to some for medical use.
There is some research being done on uses for cannabis, but it is illegal to do the research, I think they said only the DEA can legally do research, lol
and they dont do any research! So it is all a joke, and it wont be corrected any time soon.
Due to the struggle several sets of parents went thru, that state wound up passing a law that made it easier for people with similar problem
to gain access to it.

DandyDon52 · May 23, 2019

DakPresgoat said:
This is correct. One small correction I would add is, that with a doctor recommendation somebody can also still be arrested for breaking federal law, not just local law.

Federal law enforcement legally can still arrest and charge people for possession of marijuana even in states that legalized it. Thankfully, the federal justice department hasn’t been enforcing the federal law in states where it is legal.

that is true, and at any time they could choose to make any busts they wanted to.

Birdgang · May 23, 2019

DandyDon52 said:
I think the guy in your avatar could use some heavy duty MJ lol it might mellow him out some!
It all comes down to the politicians in washington, untill they legalize it nationally, there will be very little progress on the issue, and the
ones that are there are not going to legalize it.

I saw a show where parents of children with disorders, were wanting to use medical versions of MJ, but they were blocked at every turn
due to federal laws and some state laws. It took them years to gain access to it.

HAHA thats actually me, Im just being goofy. It will all be legal soon, they have been dragging their feet because they want to see howto make profits from it. Big Pharama is now starting to look into it as well. But Tobacco also wants in which makes sense. They are the ones that are holding up as they line the right pockets. A bunch of big pharma is already doing it overseas. Purdue has acres of Poppy fields and produces Opium which they say is for testing. But If the US does make it legal ... they will have to grow and produce here for jobs and taxes.

Bohuntr97 · May 23, 2019

Sinister said:
It's not equivalent to a prescription, because a prescription is a lawful order that can protect the patient and allow the patient to receive the necessary treatment regardless of laws. A prescription supercedes local laws.

Whereas a recommendation does not supercede local laws and you can still be arrested if you are breaking local laws as in the case of medical marijuana.

Interesting. I just happen to live in a state that legalized it, and in a city that decriminalized it prior to the state. Everyone just calls it a prescription, even my doctor LOL! Good info.

Doc50 · May 23, 2019

Sinister said:
I'm going to say it once again medical marijuana cannot be PRESCRIBED; not in California not in Washington.

So long as it is a schedule 1 drug it is illegal for any Dr to prescribe marijuana.

Drs can recommend marijuana, but it can't be prescibed.

The Schedule II drug Marinol (THC) is prescribed.

I've managed its use in several patients.

Sinister · May 24, 2019

Doc50 said:
The Schedule II drug Marinol (THC) is prescribed.

I've managed its use in several patients.

Marinol, I think is schedule iii and it's synthetic THC. I've been told that it is not as effective as "medical marijuana", however; i'm no Doctor, and I'm getting most of my info second hand.

I have heard amazing things about Epidiolex (cannabidiol) which recently was approved to treat Dravet and LGS.

DogFace · May 24, 2019

America's Cowboy said:
You young druggies who just have to get your high are what's ruining everything. No discipline. No honor. No respect. All just to get your high.

Easy!! Eaaaaasy old timer. Time and progress are proceeding with or without you(and those like you) and your judgements of how others should control their own consciousness.

DogFace · May 24, 2019

DandyDon52 said:
Well I dont know the details on what they do use, but I would suspect they dont get the person "high"
MJ is not good for going to work, and that is what the game is, it is work and a job.
They dont have to take any injections they dont approve of, or take opiates to play.

Why are you so concerned for the players being able to use medical MJ ??
And like I said I really doubt the nfl will stop testing or allow medical MJ .

Experienced users may disagree.

I once scored 53 points in a rec. league basketball league while high as can be. It stood as my career high in any refereed game.

Weed can possibly enable extreme focus and spur creativity. So can some psychedelic drugs.
https://www.google.com/search?q=mic...lley&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

We’ve just been a littler brainwashed to think it’s all bad. For what it’s worth I only drink beer now and haven’t used any other drugs in over 10 years, but am open to the possibilities for others.

Nightman · May 24, 2019

Mr_C said:
Experienced users may disagree.

I once scored 53 points in a rec. league basketball league while high as can be. It stood as my career high in any refereed game.

Weed can possibly enable extreme focus and spur creativity. So can some psychedelic drugs.
https://www.google.com/search?q=mic...lley&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

We’ve just been a littler brainwashed to think it’s all bad. For what it’s worth I only drink beer now and haven’t used any other drugs in over 10 years, but am open to the possibilities for others.

So you want your kids bus driver to get high before school or maybe pull some bong hits with your pilot at the airport before takeoff

It is a magic drug that does whatever the user needs except get you stoned.....lol

DogFace · May 24, 2019

Nightman said:
So you want your kids bus driver to get high before school or maybe pull some bong hits with your pilot at the airport before takeoff

It is a magic drug that does whatever the user needs except get you stoned.....lol

Exactly!!

Except my example was playing a sport, which was the context of the conversation. Not driving kids or any other job where others were depending on you for their safety.

Arguments like that make leaps to the most fantastic circumstance and are typical. It’s a normal emotional response to change when the change isn’t fully understood and especially when the subject of the change has been vilified like it has.

ABQCOWBOY · May 24, 2019

FuzzyLumpkins said:
Your question assumes the premise. You have given no indication that they want to do that. I could just as easily say, "why wouldn't they want to chance Congress passing a resolution applauding their effort?" they could do that too.

Also don't speak for me. You have no idea what the NFL does or does not want and seeing that Jerry campaigned to have the MJ rules slackened there is evidence to the contrary. When he did that he was told by the executive council that they wanted to use it as a negotiating tool.

This is yet another institution you seem to have no idea about. "The NFL" is 32 ownership executives making decisions particularly ones like this. If you think they all think as you do you truly are delusional.

So then, you can't give a reason why the NFL would want to do this?

ABQCOWBOY · May 24, 2019

FuzzyLumpkins said:
The NFL is from a charter created by the 32 private clubs that make up the NFL. It's a corporate trust between the companies and in no way shape or form is it public. It's not even publicly traded.

And here you go speaking for the league again. Just stop.

So let me understand here. If you are not actually an owner, you can't speak about the League, is that about it? This is why I can't take you serious. I mean, how ridiculous is that?

ABQCOWBOY · May 24, 2019

FuzzyLumpkins said:
"why the NFL would not want to give Congress any reason for a Congressional Investigation or Hearing" is a question and your entire argument.

Your speaking for both Congress and the NFL in making it with not one shred of evidence that they even feel that way amongst the hundreds of constituents of both bodies. You are not remotely qualified to do so.

I said Jerry tried to get them slackened. You continue to struggle to keep up.

Strange no Congressional hearings or even a whisper in response.

So if it was a meeting that was open to owners only, I wonder how Florio knows what was discussed?

Either way, Jerry saying whatever does not mean the league is going to do it. Again I ask, an this time don't sidestep the question, what is the benefit for the NFL to do this?

ABQCOWBOY · May 24, 2019

FuzzyLumpkins said:
http://time.com/3839164/nfl-tax-exempt-status/

No, it's not anymore. Churches are tax exempt as well. That does not make it public. Same with non-profits. You sure are wrong a lot.

And you obviously have no idea what a corporate entity even is. A trust is one and the NFL is a trust.

just accept that there is no law or contract that does what you claimed.

You know I actually didn't know that the NFL had changed their tax exempt status so I appreciate you educating me on that. However, it still doesn't make the NFL a Corporation. I was wrong on the taxes thou, so thank you for that.

ABQCOWBOY · May 24, 2019

Haimerej said:
I get bored.

To be fair, I did not start the line by line responses.

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