Cowboys are about to make a big mistake with LB deployment

Future · May 28, 2019

Lee doesn't have to cover as the SAM and LVE isn't coming off in the nickel, so we can move on.

northerncowboynation · May 28, 2019

What's pink and comes out in the evening, shows up in morning and floats on water. Floatyworms @Floatyworm

Verdict · May 28, 2019

xwalker said:
Floaty, I don't know how you can be this uninformed.

The SLB (Wilson the past couple of years) is the player that plays the least snaps against the pass.

The scheme is designed to keep the WLB away from blocks and let him flow sideline to sideline.

Lee has been the top coverage LB on the team (prior to 2018) and was the LB that played the Nickel and Dime packages which are pass defense packages.

Jaylon is one of the bigger, stronger 4-3 LBs in the league.

It was remarkable how far Lee’s play fell off last year. Teams were literally scheming to get matchups against him.

Verdict · May 28, 2019

Hawkeye19 said:
Lee won’t be on the field much at SLB. We are in the nickel at least 50% of the time. Wilson was in on about 26% of the defensive snaps last year— which lines up with what they have been saying the plan was for Lee’s snaps. Sean has bulked up for the role— and his fire and intelligence will make him fine at SLB. And— he is fine in coverage for the record. It’s actually one of his best attributes as a LBer over his career.

Jaylon was built to be a MLBer. LVE can play it too (so can Lee for that matter)... but the plan when they drafted Jaylon was for him to be the mike. His athleticism and speed make him a great piece to have in the middle of the D.

LVE at the WILL is just pure abuse to opposing offenses. He is the biggest and rangiest of the three LBs— and he will be now be running the most free? Pure dynamite. The kid will be all over the field destroying people and making plays.

Bottom line: we arguably have the best LB trio in the league. It is at least a top 3 unit— and they haven’t come close to their ceiling yet. With improvements along the DL as well— our front 7 is going to take a step forward this year— it is just a question of how big that step will be.

Will “fire” mak him make the tackles he missed last year? Will the passing help him cover in the passing game? I’m asking for a friend.

Hawkeye19 · May 28, 2019

Verdict said:
Will “fire” mak him make the tackles he missed last year? Will the passing help him cover in the passing game? I’m asking for a friend.

I’m sorry. Is there another pro bowl caliber LBer currently available that has demonstrated Lee’s skillset and ability?

Exactly. You could do a LOT worse than Sean Lee at SLB. A lot worse.

Verdict · May 29, 2019

Hawkeye19 said:
I’m sorry. Is there another pro bowl caliber LBer currently available that has demonstrated Lee’s skillset and ability?

Exactly. You could do a LOT worse than Sean Lee at SLB. A lot worse.

That’s true of Lee before last season Last season he was a dumpster fire.

Hawkeye19 · May 29, 2019

Verdict said:
That’s true of Lee before last season Last season he was a dumpster fire.

He was fine before he got hurt. Then was not the same player when he came back. It looked like he was holding back and playing tentative on his hamstring to me... couldn’t trust his body and it definitely affected his game.

While he may certainly get hurt again, reducing his snap count down to 26% of the defensive snaps (that is what Wilson’s snaps were at SLBer last year) should help him stay fresh.

There is no issue with his work ethic or motivation... he has already bulked up for the role and knows this is his last best chance for a ring.

IMO... I think we see high-quality play from Sean in 2019.

Screw The Hall · May 29, 2019

So the problem that should keep me up a nights with this team is the LB core? Lol!

The addiction to drama around here is completely out of hand. Sweet Jesus.

QuincyCarterEra · May 29, 2019

Verdict said:
It was remarkable how far Lee’s play fell off last year. Teams were literally scheming to get matchups against him.

Which games?

GMO415 · May 29, 2019

Dude it's May....R E L A X

Doomsday101 · May 29, 2019

I love the LB core with LVE, Jaylon and Lee. Mistake? I don't think so

Whyjerry · May 29, 2019

Floatyworm said:
And ....No this isn't about signing Dak to this horrendous extention....

It's about how they are gonna deploy their linebackers.

From what is being heard through the grapevine....Your starting unit is...

SLB-Lee
MLB-J.Smith
WLB-LVE

I don't even know how you begin to quantify this...

SLB- Lee.....Can't cover
MLB-J. Smith...taking on O-linemen @ the point of attack isn't his strong suit.
WLB-LVE...playing him here...takes away his greatest attibute...being able to play from sideline to sideline. Your basically taking half the field away from him..making him a hash to hash player. Big mistake.

Then in the nickle package....they are gonna take out LVE..and deploy Lee and Smith.

I'm sorry....any defense without LVE as your primary middle LBer...is asking for trouble. He is the heart of your defense.

We will see if the whispers coming out of camp are true...hopefully...not.

I agree this makes little sense. This organization has shown a distinct knack for playing guys out of position so no surprise. Hopefully the individual talent is strong enough to overcome.

Ekspozed · May 29, 2019

It's about getting the best players on the field, and when we go 3 lbs lve, Smith, lee are the best.

Lee is smart enough to prepare his body for, and learn the position.

I also think all 3 are interchangable at the positions and will add a bit more creativity, if not more freshness at the very least.

big dog cowboy · May 29, 2019

Floatyworm said:
Cowboys are about to make a big mistake with LB deployment

jaybird · May 30, 2019

Floatyworm said:
And ....No this isn't about signing Dak to this horrendous extention....

It's about how they are gonna deploy their linebackers.

From what is being heard through the grapevine....Your starting unit is...

SLB-Lee
MLB-J.Smith
WLB-LVE

I don't even know how you begin to quantify this...

SLB- Lee.....Can't cover
MLB-J. Smith...taking on O-linemen @ the point of attack isn't his strong suit.
WLB-LVE...playing him here...takes away his greatest attibute...being able to play from sideline to sideline. Your basically taking half the field away from him..making him a hash to hash player. Big mistake.

Then in the nickle package....they are gonna take out LVE..and deploy Lee and Smith.

I'm sorry....any defense without LVE as your primary middle LBer...is asking for trouble. He is the heart of your defense.

We will see if the whispers coming out of camp are true...hopefully...not.

You lost me at “Lee can’t cover”

blueblood70 · May 30, 2019

Floatyworm said:
And ....No this isn't about signing Dak to this horrendous extention....

It's about how they are gonna deploy their linebackers.

From what is being heard through the grapevine....Your starting unit is...

SLB-Lee
MLB-J.Smith
WLB-LVE

I don't even know how you begin to quantify this...

SLB- Lee.....Can't cover
MLB-J. Smith...taking on O-linemen @ the point of attack isn't his strong suit.
WLB-LVE...playing him here...takes away his greatest attibute...being able to play from sideline to sideline. Your basically taking half the field away from him..making him a hash to hash player. Big mistake.

Then in the nickle package....they are gonna take out LVE..and deploy Lee and Smith.

I'm sorry....any defense without LVE as your primary middle LBer...is asking for trouble. He is the heart of your defense.

We will see if the whispers coming out of camp are true...hopefully...not.

sure because somehow this post from an internet GM know it all knows so much more then the entire staff and fo of the dallas cowboys..also about to make mistake implies you know for sure so you have reading the future skillset ie Nostradamus? better get all your bets in early then since you know ALL>.give it up..they will use this lineup to start and if it isnt looking string trust me , they will make changes and use other rotational guys. its not like because they start with this lineup in TC it stays this way..

Redball Express · May 30, 2019

Floatyworm said:
And ....No this isn't about signing Dak to this horrendous extention....

It's about how they are gonna deploy their linebackers.

From what is being heard through the grapevine....Your starting unit is...

SLB-Lee
MLB-J.Smith
WLB-LVE

I don't even know how you begin to quantify this...

SLB- Lee.....Can't cover
MLB-J. Smith...taking on O-linemen @ the point of attack isn't his strong suit.
WLB-LVE...playing him here...takes away his greatest attibute...being able to play from sideline to sideline. Your basically taking half the field away from him..making him a hash to hash player. Big mistake.

Then in the nickle package....they are gonna take out LVE..and deploy Lee and Smith.

I'm sorry....any defense without LVE as your primary middle LBer...is asking for trouble. He is the heart of your defense.

We will see if the whispers coming out of camp are true...hopefully...not.

Just file this away as another rumored change.

Remember when they were going to become a 2TE offense with Witten and Bennett?

Never happened.

Remember when they drafted Switzer and said they were going to play him and Beasley at the same time..nobody could cover them both?

All those guys are gone but Witten is back.

So take whatever they are smoking with a grain of salt.

Besides..

Lee will never make it all season.

OmerV · May 30, 2019

Floatyworm said:
And ....No this isn't about signing Dak to this horrendous extention....

It's about how they are gonna deploy their linebackers.

From what is being heard through the grapevine....Your starting unit is...

SLB-Lee
MLB-J.Smith
WLB-LVE

I don't even know how you begin to quantify this...

SLB- Lee.....Can't cover
MLB-J. Smith...taking on O-linemen @ the point of attack isn't his strong suit.
WLB-LVE...playing him here...takes away his greatest attibute...being able to play from sideline to sideline. Your basically taking half the field away from him..making him a hash to hash player. Big mistake.

Then in the nickle package....they are gonna take out LVE..and deploy Lee and Smith.

I'm sorry....any defense without LVE as your primary middle LBer...is asking for trouble. He is the heart of your defense.

We will see if the whispers coming out of camp are true...hopefully...not.

LVE didn't play MLB last year. He filled the spot Lee manned before he got injured (WLB). Jayon and LVE will be playing the same positions as last year when they both had huge seasons. And while it's true that not playing MLB can somewhat diminish the sideline to sideline ability of LVE, Jaylon has the same kind of sideline to sideline ability, and they can't both play MLB, so one had to play WLB.

Sean Lee actually can cover - or at least could. He's had 2 separate seasons with 4 INT's. Our DB's don't even do that. But even so, I imagine he will come off the field in a lot of passing situations, just as Damian Wilson did. The Cowboys actually play more often with only 2 LBs on the field than they do with 3.

By the way, I would love you to cite the source of your info about it being LVE coming off the field.

And, by the way, using the term "deploy" makes it sound like we are sending these guys in to protect military installations in the Middle East.

OmerV · May 30, 2019

Little Jr said:
I haven't heard or read that.

I'm not sure the OP has either.

CT Dal Fan · May 30, 2019

Honestly, I was thinking about starting a thread asking whether or not the Cowboys should switch Vander Esch and Smith's linebacker spots.

From a physical standpoint it makes sense- LVE is a beast at 6'4, 255 and Smith has rare speed and range that could be better utilized outside. But after the season both had in 2018 I don't think the Cowboys should mess with a good thing.

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