Dak Prescott noticeably different in Cowboys offseason workouts

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I felt such extreme alacrity when Linehan was fired, and I've been on cloud 9 ever since. Hope Moore is the guy, but if nothing else at least we finally moved on from Linehan.

yes thank the lord...i just wonder if there is going to be at least a year of growing pains before we start to see what Moore can do...i honeslty don't k ow enough on how he is approaching the scheme
 

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The difference between Linehan and Moore is that Moore's scheme/system should be more adaptable to the QB. Linehan, even with Romo, seemed to be trying to fit the square peg in the round hole. These are my plays and he has to run them.

Romo had the same difficulty on the crossings and slants with the WR's because of the difference in size and speed from Witten, who neither of them have trouble with hitting him because he wants the ball on him, not out in front. We saw that in LA with both the sideline pass to Gallup and the crossing to Cooper who had his guy beat and if the placement of that is out in front he goes for a while. Two missed opportunities strictly because of ball placement by the QB. But it is not fair to use those two examples without considering the dimes he's dropped as well. There is also that issue of "serving up the WR" by putting the ball out in front with headhunters patrolling the secondary.

I think if you watch all of the QB's this season, you will notice that the majority will have some problems with those crossings and slants and judging the speed of the WR, the ones that can do that consistently are in the minority. Brees continues to amaze me how he can do that.

And too many make the unfair comparison of other QB's to Aikman, one of the most pure accurate passers that ever played the game. He played on a different system that really maximized his accuracy with those timing patterns. Any QB, playing in that type of system, has to have total confidence in his WR to be there, which is why Irvin pushed off so much. Romo had one WR that he had that type of confidence in because he ran consistent routes and it wasn't Owens or Bryant, Laurent Robinson. I am hopeful that Prescott has that in Cooper and he might have that in Gallup and/or Cobb as well. That's what made Kurt Warner, those WR's were great route runners including the RB.
 

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I felt such extreme alacrity when Linehan was fired, and I've been on cloud 9 ever since. Hope Moore is the guy, but if nothing else at least we finally moved on from Linehan.
Agree, I watch a lot of what happens on the sideline and I never saw the connection with Linehan. And that disaster of a season with two ex starting QB's in 2015 should have been the end for him. Both Cassell and Weeden were better with other coaches and I never saw where he helped Stafford improve. I actually never knew why he ended up in Dallas except that he was available.
 

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People don't seem to understand how bad this scheme was. Even though it derailed Warner and got him injured and then ruined Bulger's career. This is factual stuff, not conjecture. It's a well known fact that Martz ran these long developing routes and needed a stellar OL to do so, and that it really didn't work unless you had a great OL and an extremely talented O and a very good D. Simply no room for any weakness at all.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/list/route/dallas-cowboys/season/week

That's the route trees ran by Dallas' receivers. Every playbook in the league has, "long developing routes," which, IIRC, you've criticized about this offense since prior to Linehan. But not every route ran by every receiver is long developing. Every play has a mix.

It's also not factual that Warner or Bulger were derailed by the scheme, that's an opinion. Warner's time in StL ended because of a broken hand and Bulger ultimately making him expendable. Bulger's career was hardly "ruined." Bulger was a 6th rounder picked up by the Rams from his 2nd practice team stint. If anything, the only reason most people know about Marc Bulger is because of the scheme. As Bulger said- "[Martz] was by far the smartest football mind I've ever been around. The things he was teaching was so far ahead of what others were teaching."

With all the hub bub over Linehan's scheme, the only thing we're hearing that they're changing is pre-snap. Players, Moore, and Garrett have all said they're not really changing the plays moreso than using different formations and motion.
 

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its may we will see in September what this team looks like in the regular season until then its all conjecture and fluff articles
yeah no way to know until we see them play in sept, even then I will give them 4-5 games before judging good or bad.
One key is last year dallas was 5-1 in the div , and I dont know they will dominate the div again this year, and they have tougher games
outside the div.
The AFC east is tougher than some think I am thinking 2-2 there. most are saying 3-1.
Cole beasely will have to face his former team in the buffalo game , that makes that game a little more interesting.
I think overall this years schedule is much tougher than last year, so the cowboys will have to be better just to equal the 10-6
record from last year.

Waiting is a drag, here is an idea, they should consider starting the season at end of june, just playing 1 real game, then 2nd real game
end of july , 3rd end of august, then 2 weeks after that start the regular season!:flagwave::grin:
They would play those games with the big rosters and get plenty of rest between games!
And we could have 1 game a month and give us something to talk about.
They could all be night games to avoid the heat.
There would be a rule stating that they have to play 6 new players each game of the first 3, either rookies or new signings.
Just eliminate PS games.:thumbup:
 

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With all the hub bub over Linehan's scheme, the only thing we're hearing that they're changing is pre-snap. Players, Moore, and Garrett have all said they're not really changing the plays moreso than using different formations and motion.
Uh Oh lol :omg:
 

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It may mean nothing to you and others, that share your common "whatever you call it", not hate, but I guess "who cares" attitude. But it means a lot to the players and coaches and it DOES serve a purpose.
And it means a lot for many fans that want to be kept informed of what is going on, and what players does look good even without pads.

So I guess you rather they do not have these, then Come TC and regular season complain why don't they do this in May and June to help the players understand the concepts? For when they get to TC they will have an idea of what will happen, so they can get right to it.

I shouldve worded it different. I mean players who stand out or do bad in otas or tc really means nothing. You hear how good people look all the time in the offseason then dont do anything in the real games.
 

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Watching @PAPPYDOG blow a gasket over and over is so fun!
I'm bringing tissues dear! We'll wipe the blood from those popped veins together baby!
 

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He's the same bum he's always been. No talent. No fundamentals. The second he even imagines pressure he's a sandlot mess with a mediocre arm throwing off the wrong foot.

You must carry him. He needs 10 pallbearers.
How's that circus gimp Jaylon working out for you?
 

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I shouldve worded it different. I mean players who stand out or do bad in otas or tc really means nothing. You hear how good people look all the time in the offseason then dont do anything in the real games.
yeah I always think of whedon and the pretty passes thing lol.
Sometimes guys who look good in TC wind up not playing or very little in reg season.
So I guess ota and TC has some useful purpose, we wont really know who has improved or looks good
till the season starts.
 

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He's the same bum he's always been. No talent. No fundamentals. The second he even imagines pressure he's a sandlot mess with a mediocre arm throwing off the wrong foot.

You must carry him. He needs 10 pallbearers.


And another 11 on defense where we might win a game like the Saints 13-0..........
 

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yeah I always think of whedon and the pretty passes thing lol.
Sometimes guys who look good in TC wind up not playing or very little in reg season.
So I guess ota and TC has some useful purpose, we wont really know who has improved or looks good
till the season starts.
Nah... get rid of 'em.
Useless garbage. OTA's? Pfffffffftttttt.
TC's? Eh... we can do without 'em.
 

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It's the feel good part of the calendar. Everything's great. Everybody looks improved. This year just feels different.

Then the live bullets start flying again and reality sets in.
Circle jerk is happening!
 

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I'm going to take this with a grain of salt. While I like to hear that they are practicing on timing etc, there is no way to duplicate a game situation with the speed and other factors. We will wait and see if this chemistry bears fruit.
 

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IDK about that. There was so many times last year when the Cowboys would get down in the redzone and coverages got tighter just because the field is compressed and you could see Dak wants to throw screens or run. Some people are saying guys arent getting open but in those situations a yard of separation is considered open. Even half a yard is open. I know Dak likes to protect the ball but he isnt showing confidence in his arm to throw the ball into smaller windows.

I don't think its confidence at all. The guy is brimming with confidence.

The problem with the redzone is the Oline blocking and coaching. Dak has issues like any young QB has issues. Nothing to worry about.
 

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He made the pro bowl. That's what you're hanging on? Lol . I like dak, he has a good head on him and does seem to have a little clutch in him.

But he has a long way to go as a passer. You might be happy with making the pro bowl and winning one playoff game but some of us have the bar a little higher.

Unfortunately cowboys fans now a days are trending murky waters with their low expectations of a year 4 QB.

OH I have much higher standards. But for a 3 year kid you almost couldn't expect better and be realistic.

Not sure what you are expecting from him at this point in his career with a run first, Garrett offense. Its not like Garrett and Linehan were risk taking, explosive type coaches.

Dak has done what he had to do to win and hes been amazing in that regard. He has had to learn to be more of a pocket passer. He never had to be that in college or early in the pros.

But that is just a matter of understanding where Dak came from. The kid obviously kicks it into gear when he needs to.

If you are paying attention, he seems to bloom in the a hurry up, spread offense. That is when he typically has those clutch, comeback moments. The idiots hes had coaching him thus far have been too stupid to notice that.

I don't think Moore will be that clueless. I think if you just hold your breath a little more you are going to be very happy this season.
 
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