Dak Prescott noticeably different in Cowboys offseason workouts

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CouchCoach said:
Funny when posters blame a player for being a player or getting a contract. If you hate Prescott, you should be hating the brain trust, not him. All he's doing is taking advantage of an opportunity. His third time in a row to do that and this time from the 3rd string position. Even the team that drafted him didn't really want him but when this opportunity presented itself he responded as he did the previous two times and that gets my attention. All three times, when the previous QB1 was healthy he sat.

That's the kind of thing that intrigues me about sports with some athletes, not considered good enough, show up and are far better then anyone anticipated. Is that Dak Prescott? I don't know yet and yet is the operative word, I do not know if he's as good as he's gonna get yet.

I do not get the Daksters or the Dakaters because it's too early to tell even though it is highly likely he's going to get paid as the QB1 for the next 3 years, which is what we should divide into the guaranteed portion of the contract and with the cap growing 10M a year, this is shorter term than most realize and is not hamstringing the team for the next 6-8 years.

But, I have a question for the Dakaters, what would you do with a QB that has a 66% win and has won the division 2 of his 3 seasons and never missed a game? Did he lose 2 playoff games? He brought them back in the GB game and there are damned few Tier 1 QB's that could overcome their D giving up 270 yards rushing and control of the line.

Some teams are going to have to settle for good enough QB's, which is what I consider Dak to be. The fact is there are not enough Tier 1's or even Tier 2's to go around. You want to take your chance with the draft that you can do better than what they have now? One team feels comfortable with their drafted QB from 2017 and one has already traded their 1st rounder for a 1st overall at QB and the jury is out on him.

It would take far too much to trade up to get Herbert or Tua or Lawrence the following draft but then you've got that same problem, you don't know how well they're going to do and at least you know Prescott can get the team to the playoffs and he can play well enough to advance with the right team but isn't that Brady all over? He's never won one without a top 10 D and run game. Brees and Rodgers only have one ring for being so elite. They didn't have good enough teams around them.

I think the Rams fans were all pissed and calling Goff a bust but the fact was he had the wrong coach. Not just for him but for the offense. Here's that "yet" again. We haven't seen Prescott yet with this OC and play caller. I am in that rather large, but seemingly silent, majority of posters that just haven't decided yet.

So, what have the Dakaters got to lose? He's going to be the QB1 this season for certain. He's got a new OC and QBC and has, on paper, the best group of WR's that we've seen in many years. And he has a top 3 RB that has led the league in rushing those 2 seasons they won the divisions. The difference between the Dakaters/Dakster and UnDakcided's is that we see his entire game, we're not cherry picking select plays to try and shore up our stance. We don't have one to justify or defend yet.
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Nicely said!!!

Anyone who is convinced at this point that Dak is either terrible or great is not doing much evaluating. He has clearly shown both good and bad signs at this point.
 
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kskboys said:
Nicely said!!!

Anyone who is convinced at this point that Dak is either terrible or great is not doing much evaluating. He has clearly shown both good and bad signs at this point.
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The vast majority being good to very good.
 
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jazzcat22 said:
And it is the lazy way the so called "haters" to come in here and post over and over...Dak sucks...or this sucks or that sucks, but yet they offer no proof to back up their opinion...oh, my eye test...well, get the eyes checked then.
Back it up. I just posted the Tebow / Dak links to compare them, and was called out for posting goofy stats. Maybe that person doesn't like to click on proof links.
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The eye test tell me that Dakota is better than Tebow, straight up. But Rayne Dakota is still the living, breathing epitome of Mediocrity
 
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Dak just needs to continue working on his fundamentals. When his footwork and throwing nmotion look polished he's great. When he shortens his follow-through stride, short arms, and uses funky throwing motions/angles he is not very good.

More consistent technique and better recognition are both coachable. Kitna is his new coach.. Hopefully they can put it all together.
 
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So, am I the only one seeing the advantage to having a Tier 2 QB with the brain trust of this team with their history? They thought they had a Tier 1 in Romo and look at all of the help they didn't give him and even admitted that.

Do you think Brady wins all those rings with any other team? Favre, Rodgers, Brees could only win one and Luck and Rivers haven't even sniffed one. To contend consistently, a team has to have a good QB that can execute the offense and get the ball into the hands of the weapons. The Pats have been fortunate because they have a great QB but look at all of those pieces around him and the architect of that never rests on his laurels.

I haven't seen anything to make me think that this team isn't still in that "the better the QB, the less help he needs" mode. I want them focused on those other pieces, namely the OL and D which they are and I believe that is because they realize what they have at QB.

I do not think Prescott is ever going to be a great QB but I do believe he can be part of a great team. And this brain trust has to focus on the team aspect of the game and not the stars.

And if they have to pay a good QB great money, so be it. I do not see where they have much choice in this and part of that is Dak has made it hard for them to think about taking a chance on getting a Tier 1 and losing out on a good Tier 2. And not one of the Dakaters has come forth with a better plan for taking advantage while the window is open.

This is like the old days in a singles bar. You've got a 7 ready to go home but you came for an 8 so you make a move on the 8 only she turns out to be more of a 6 when you take a really close look at her and now you've lost the 7 and end up going home alone or worse. You could end up with a 3 or 4 because you need a woman and haven't we seen some of those before? Dak ain't beautiful but he sure as hell ain't ugly and is pretty in his own special way.

And by golly, I want some kind of award for making getting a QB analogous with picking up women in a bar, Rothliesberger would like it anyway.
 
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ShiningStar said:
in what area or areas is Dak mediocre?
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Team Passing yards, #23 out of 32 is a good start

Oh, a good example may be the inability of Dakota to pass for at least 170 yards in 4 games last season. Or could possibly being ranked 17 in Qbr last season out of 32 teams. Sorry I couldn’t be more specific if you are a stats guy. Many of us can see timid, check down Charlie playing it safe. He may not lose many games for you but he sure as hell won’t win many for you either.

Defensive Coordinators don’t have to game plan for Dakota, we have seen them stack the box and stop Ezekiel, the real talent, and force Dakota to have to pass. And Mister #17 ranked QBR guy just ain’t getting it done

If you like those numbers, buy a Latex blow up Dakota doll and put him next to you on the couch during games by all means. I’m not looking to change your mind at all
 
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shabazz said:
Oh, a good example may be the inability of Dakota to pass for at least 170 yards in 4 games last season. Or could possibly being ranked 17 in Qbr last season out of 32 teams. Sorry I couldn’t be more specific if you are a stats guy. Many of us can see timid, check down Charlie playing it safe. He may not lose many games for you but he sure as hell won’t win many for you either.

Defensive Coordinators don’t have to game plan for Dakota, we have seen them stack the box and stop Ezekiel, the real talent, and force Dakota to have to pass. And Mister #17 ranked QBR guy just ain’t getting it done
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so bascially no where, got it.
 
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FuzzyLumpkins said:
Dak just needs to continue working on his fundamentals. When his footwork and throwing nmotion look polished he's great. When he shortens his follow-through stride, short arms, and uses funky throwing motions/angles he is not very good.

More consistent technique and better recognition are both coachable. Kitna is his new coach.. Hopefully they can put it all together.
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At least you are allowing for that possibility instead of just sticking a fork in him and casually saying "we'll just get another" like this franchise has been good at that. Look at this team's history with that position. Aikman was no brainer and they lucked into Romo because if Payton's not there, they don't get him. Someone once said "rather be lucky that good", they must have been talking about this Cowboys team with QB's.

What I don't get are the ones that don't want him to get better, what's with that? I am not a Garrett fan but I've never not wanted him to get better but honestly think Prescott has a better chance of that.
 
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shabazz said:
Reading comprehension, you no got.

Re-read the stats I posted and you will get it.
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one or two little stats is not making him mediocre. if he was average, you would have a case, but hes not average, he has a few good things he does real well, jst Linehane refused to adapt to his qb and tried to make his qb adapt to his ways. if KM keeps daks to his strengths and game plays the team to use their strengts, you ll see a better Dak.
 
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Linehane refused to adapt to his qb and tried to make his qb adapt to his ways.
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That's not true. They adapted to Dak and are trying to develop him into an NFL QB. I may be mistaken, but most people saying the above are wanting him to run more, which hasn't worked out well yet in the NFL.
 
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davidariust24 said:
If Dak is feeling more comfortable and he is sharper and more accurate then this team is a SB contender because we are stacked almost everywhere. One thing is certain. Once cooper got here Dak looked good. He will be better this year. Do you guys think his production will match the contract he is looking for? What types of numbers does he need to reach for the contract and for a good season.
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Who is saying Dak is "noticeably different" in Cowboys offseason workouts? Different in what way?
 
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jazzcat22 said:
How so?
Elaborate.

He needs work but not as much as you probably think.
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Dak needing work is a massive understatement ! What Dak needs along with US is a MIRACLE as his flaws are many and most cannot be taught at 25 such as....

Poor accuracy
Poor Reading downfield
Poor Pocket presence
Poor mental toughness (Panics when a defender gets near)
Poor anticipation to lead the WR TE to the ball.
Poor footwork.
Poor Redzone offense (29th ranked)
Poor ball handling(12 fumbles)
Poor ball handling again with 58 sacks (Holds the ball forever)
Poor LONG BALL placement.

GL to us and our team with Project Dak and it seems its our turn to experience the RG3 and Tim Tebow QB let down!
 
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Most of Daks problems seem mental. I think his rookie year got in his head " hell who would not be the same" You saw him out and about , commercials, speeches ect. I saw less last year ... I think the adding of Amari was more mental to him as well. He has enough talent if he gets out of his own head. A perfect example is the Bucs game and the after effect. The Cowboy culture and how it puts its players on a pedestal does not help this. That's a Jones Family issue which has gone on for decades. As nice as stats are, there really is only a few that matter .... W/L is what matters in the end as its a team sport.
 
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